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I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Dragonfly

He now has 4 worlds. The class of 92 are getting old. I'm worried that Selby is at least going to level with O'Sullivan for world titles. He might even catch Hendry.

Trump is obviously the biggest obstacle in Selbys path. But Trump can't be relied up at the Crucible. A few years from now surely we won't be saying Selby is the GOAT. Based on his amount of world titles.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Vallomas

Ronnie fans should feel more positive for Trump instead of Robertson. Judd is the only player who can stop Selby from matching O'Sullivan's records.

I am sure that those who were celebrating Murphy's win over Trump, were wishing that he would have been Selby's opponent in this final.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby The_Abbott

Certain Selby will scrape a 5th at some point but Judd, Ronnie, Yan will all win titles soon maybe even Kyren.

Binghams win and Williams latest win came from nowhere so anyone can have a good 2 weeks and win it.

If he does reach 7 or 8 then I guess he will have deserved that. :shrug: I hated Hendry winning all those titles but you just have to get through the years with the winners you don't like.

I'm pleased the Cruce Curse is safe for another 2 years.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby mick745

Why not? Selby has developed into a kind of crucible specialist but even he is not young anymore.

Of the other players K Wilson and Yan Bingtao seem to have the style of game that suit the crucible but they are not there yet and there is no guarantee they will.

But making predictions is difficult. Who'd have guessed what number of titles Ding and Trump would have had between them by now.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby SnookerEd25

Dan-cat wrote:As Selby said - you never know if it will be your last final. So many great players.


Yes, but they are mainly all 30+, and ‘the usual suspects’ could still be top 16ers well into their fifties.

That, if anything, is the most concerning thing.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Holden Chinaski

If Selby wins 6 world Titles then all credit to him. That would be an amazing achievement. I get what you are saying, the class of '92 is old and besides Judd, there is no real competition anymore. Still, I really don't see it happening. Selby will win maybe one more title but that will be it I think. .

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby TheRocket

Dan-cat wrote:As Selby said - you never know if it will be your last final. So many great players.


there isnt actually. its the same old names who have had the most success. Its like an era in Tennis where players who are past their prime still win majors because of the lack of new players coming through. And I can see that happening here. Its a career inflation era. Someone like Judd should really make the most of it.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Alex0paul

Why would it matter to you if Selby has 4 or 14 World titles? It doesn’t affect your life, it’s not your records is it?

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby SnookerEd25

Alex0paul wrote:Why would it matter to you if Selby has 4 or 14 World titles? It doesn’t affect your life, it’s not your records is it?


Maybe he’s a bookie who stubbornly refuses to shorten Selby’s odds out of hatred :shrug:

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Juddernaut88

Vallomas wrote:Ronnie fans should feel more positive for Trump instead of Robertson. Judd is the only player who can stop Selby from matching O'Sullivan's records.

I am sure that those who were celebrating Murphy's win over Trump, were wishing that he would have been Selby's opponent in this final.


:goodpost:

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Dragonfly

Alex0paul wrote:Why would it matter to you if Selby has 4 or 14 World titles? It doesn’t affect your life, it’s not your records is it?


Of course it makes no difference to my life and I have more important things to think about than millionaires playing snooker.

Maybe my phrase wasn't great. I'm not really concerned. It's said with tongue firmly in cheek.

It's a bit of fun. Cheering on our favourite players and maybe hoping others will lose.

Don't take things so seriously and literally. Lighten up a bit

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby SnookerFan

A couple of years ago I thought he wouldn't equal Hendry's, let alone beat it. He wasn't the player he previously had been, and wasn't getting any younger.

Since then he's closely lost a semi and won the title. So I guess, it's possible. Still think he'll really have to go some to equal Hendry though.

If a Yan Bingtao had won his first Crucible title this year, Ronnie fans would still be panicking that he was about to break Ronnie's records.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby SnookerFan

Mark Selby says he will not chase records set by the game's "all-time greats" after beating Shaun Murphy to win a fourth World Championship.

Selby is now level with John Higgins, and only Stephen Hendry (seven), Ray Reardon, Ronnie O'Sullivan and Steve Davis (all six) have won more world titles in the modern era.

But the 37-year-old says matching their achievements is not an aim.

"I don't set my goals at any number as far as world titles go," Selby said.

"I just come to the tournament every year to give my all. If that is good enough, great. If not I will go back home and work even harder.

"I am not going to look at records like Hendry or Ronnie and think 'he is at six, that's my aim' because you can't predict winning any single tournament, never mind the World Championship."

The final also marked a significant moment in sport's return to normality, as a capacity crowd attended a UK sporting event for the first time in more than a year.

The Cheltenham Festival in March 2020 was the last time that happened, just before the coronavirus pandemic took hold and the country was locked down.

As part of a government pilot scheme, 980 fans filled the seats at the Crucible Theatre on Monday, wearing facemasks, adhering to strict guidelines and having taken a Covid-19 test before arrival.

Selby moves up to second in the world behind Judd Trump after securing his 20th major ranking title in Sheffield.

And his tally of nine Triple Crown events - the Masters, and UK and World Championships - places him level with Scotland's Higgins and behind only Davis, Hendry and O'Sullivan.

"I put those players at the top of the ladder as all-time greats. I would not put myself in that category or class myself as an all-time great," added Selby, who also won the world title in 2014, 2016 and 2017.

"Other people may talk about it but is not something I can get my head round."

'The best all-rounder we have ever seen'
While Selby took a self-deprecating tone, his beaten opponent Murphy has no doubts over his long-time friend's standing in the game.

"This puts him right up there," Murphy said. "He has to be in the conversation [around the best ever] based on the number of World Championships we have seen.

"I've got him down as the best all-rounder we have ever seen. He is granite in all areas."

Speaking on BBC Two, Davis said: "Selby has time on his side and could be the one to challenge Hendry's record. I don't think he'll stick on four titles because he's too good. His all-round game is as good as John Higgins'."

Fellow pundit and outright Crucible record-holder Hendry added: "Ronnie is still playing to the highest standard at 45 and there's nothing to say that Mark Selby can't do the same. He's a fit lad and someone else I'm going to have to sweat about."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/56973917

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby vodkadiet1

Snooker isn't like tennis where a player can win 4 majors in a year. There is only 1 World Championship a year. Players age, their form deviates, etc. etc.

All this talk abot certain players being 'certain' to win another World Championship let alone 2 or 3 are not only premature they are in many ways obsolete.

A player could be paying dynamite all season and then have one awful session at Sheffield and that is it over for another year.

Selby is unlikley to equal Hendry's record, let alone beat it. If he was 30 he may have a chance but he is nearly 38.
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Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Iranu

He’s won 4 Worlds in 8 years but he’s also won 1 World in 4 years.

It’s far too soon to be suggesting he’ll tie Ronnie or Hendry.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby SnookerFan

Iranu wrote:He’s won 4 Worlds in 8 years but he’s also won 1 World in 4 years.

It’s far too soon to be suggesting he’ll tie Ronnie or Hendry.


That is my feeling, as well. There was a big gap between 3rd and 4th.

Just people being SCANDALISED again.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Dragonfly

I think the topic of whether Selby sets records is all tied into the state of the game at the moment. Selby is obviously a terrific player who would win titles regardless of who he faces.

I do agree with a previous poster who mentioned that in fact there is not a surplus of great players.

I think we can agree that the class of 92 are no longer at their sublime peak. Yan perhaps is a future champion. We thought the same of Ding, but time will tell.

That leaves Trump and Robertson as Selby's most obvious hurdles. Robertson is hardly covering himself in world championship glory. Trump is a marvellous player but yet again he stumbled when it really counts.

If Selby does end up with more than O'Sullivan and even Hendry good luck to him. I was just saying it'd be kinda weird. I think we agree Hendry and O'Sullivan are the best players we have ever seen. Selby clearly is not half as gifted as those two. Of course he is an all time great, it'd be strange if he's up there with the greatest of the greats.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby LDS

I didn't think Selby played particularly great to win the title this year. In a relativist sense, of course, obviously he played great compared to anyone else.

But he really struggled against Bingham and in the final he was more clearing up Murphy's mistakes than actively winning frames from his own perfection.

Maybe it was part of his tactical positioning all season, but it would be more interesting to have this conversation after he'd beaten Robertson in the quarters, Wilson in the Semis and Judd in the final.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Ronnie79

The_Abbott wrote:Certain Selby will scrape a 5th at some point but Judd, Ronnie, Yan will all win titles soon maybe even Kyren.

Binghams win and Williams latest win came from nowhere so anyone can have a good 2 weeks and win it.

If he does reach 7 or 8 then I guess he will have deserved that. :shrug: I hated Hendry winning all those titles but you just have to get through the years with the winners you don't like.

I'm pleased the Cruce Curse is safe for another 2 years.


He hasn't a hope of winning 8. People are getting carried away as usual. He hadn't won it for 4 years until this year

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Ronnie79

TheRocket wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:As Selby said - you never know if it will be your last final. So many great players.


there isnt actually. its the same old names who have had the most success. Its like an era in Tennis where players who are past their prime still win majors because of the lack of new players coming through. And I can see that happening here. Its a career inflation era. Someone like Judd should really make the most of it.


What are you talking about it is not like tennis at all. The last 7 winners of TC events have all been different. Trump, Ding, Bingham, ROS, Robbo, Bingtao and Selby. Throw in Williams and Allen in 2018. Where has there been 9 different majors winners in tennis in that time ?. And snooker has only 3 events

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Ronnie79

Vallomas wrote:Ronnie fans should feel more positive for Trump instead of Robertson. Judd is the only player who can stop Selby from matching O'Sullivan's records.

I am sure that those who were celebrating Murphy's win over Trump, were wishing that he would have been Selby's opponent in this final.


No there weren't because then Trump would have won two by 31 and everyone would have being saying he will win 8,9, 10

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Juddernaut88

Ronnie79 wrote:
Vallomas wrote:Ronnie fans should feel more positive for Trump instead of Robertson. Judd is the only player who can stop Selby from matching O'Sullivan's records.

I am sure that those who were celebrating Murphy's win over Trump, were wishing that he would have been Selby's opponent in this final.


No there weren't because then Trump would have won two by 31 and everyone would have being saying he will win 8,9, 10


Not all all, I believe Judd can win another 3 world titles, but I feel he needs that 2nd world title asap, the longer he stays on 1 the harder it will get and the pressure will increase more and more. Once he gets that 2nd, I feel another 2 can follow quickly. It would be a big ask for him to win more then 4 though but it would be amazing if he did.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby TheRocket

Ronnie79 wrote:
TheRocket wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:As Selby said - you never know if it will be your last final. So many great players.


there isnt actually. its the same old names who have had the most success. Its like an era in Tennis where players who are past their prime still win majors because of the lack of new players coming through. And I can see that happening here. Its a career inflation era. Someone like Judd should really make the most of it.


What are you talking about it is not like tennis at all. The last 7 winners of TC events have all been different. Trump, Ding, Bingham, ROS, Robbo, Bingtao and Selby. Throw in Williams and Allen in 2018. Where has there been 9 different majors winners in tennis in that time ?. And snooker has only 3 events


the players you mentioned are players who were already topplayers a very long time ago. Apart from Yan Bingtao obviously. But there are barely any players who are in their early 20's and who now start to rack up the big titles like Davis or Hendry used to do when they came along and pushed away the old generation of players. Its the same old faces that win the titles and who are likely to win it, thats my point.

In the past if a 38 year old won a World title it would be a huge feat, now its nothing special. And thats because of the lack of new talent.

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Ronnie79

TheRocket wrote:
Ronnie79 wrote:
TheRocket wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:As Selby said - you never know if it will be your last final. So many great players.


there isnt actually. its the same old names who have had the most success. Its like an era in Tennis where players who are past their prime still win majors because of the lack of new players coming through. And I can see that happening here. Its a career inflation era. Someone like Judd should really make the most of it.


What are you talking about it is not like tennis at all. The last 7 winners of TC events have all been different. Trump, Ding, Bingham, ROS, Robbo, Bingtao and Selby. Throw in Williams and Allen in 2018. Where has there been 9 different majors winners in tennis in that time ?. And snooker has only 3 events


the players you mentioned are players who were already topplayers a very long time ago. Apart from Yan Bingtao obviously. But there are barely any players who are in their early 20's and who now start to rack up the big titles like Davis or Hendry used to do when they came along and pushed away the old generation of players. Its the same old faces that win the titles and who are likely to win it, thats my point.

In the past if a 38 year old won a World title it would be a huge feat, now its nothing special. And thats because of the lack of new talent.


Yes I know about young players but it is not like Tennis where only 3 win majors. Wilson will win TC at some stage, but yes new talent needs to come through. Lisowski and Brecel jeez he is a disaster

Re: I'm getting very concerned about Selby

Postby Juddernaut88

Ronnie79 wrote:I hope he never wins another. He has won one too many


So you hope Judd doesn't win another? would you be happy with Selby winning another world title then instead of Judd Trump?