Open Beta for top 269 WCS legends video: pls help if you can

Another source may be emailing Joe Johnson

You can contact him through his website: http://joejohnson.co.uk/

I note that he played against one of the players on your list, Mick Fisher, in the 1984 Costa Del Sol Classic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Cost ... ol_Classic

It seems like an event he may remember. He's a pretty friendly guy and I'm sure he'd help if he could.

I believe Mick Fisher holds a Crucible record - the lowest high break of any player to have played there - 37!

Think I've mastered it...

Nice one!

chengdufan wrote:Another source may be emailing Joe Johnson

You can contact him through his website: http://joejohnson.co.uk/

I note that he played against one of the players on your list, Mick Fisher, in the 1984 Costa Del Sol Classic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Cost ... ol_Classic

It seems like an event he may remember. He's a pretty friendly guy and I'm sure he'd help if he could.

That's certainly an idea, I also noticed all the links to player's websites in the site links. I'm a bit dubious about contacting players at this stage as I don't want to be cajoled into pushing them higher up the ranks as they stare in bewilderment at being lower ranked than their mate/rival & then being tempted to dictate that I only use pics of them after they had their teeth whitened, etc

Mario Morra in play at the Crucible, 1984

Hard hitting Canadian, Con Stanbury.
First man to make a century break, 113, in 1922
First Canadian to enter the World Professional Championship

Yes, he really was 'diminutive', was Morra...

Why do professional cameramen like the bending over the table shot so much? It's infuriating! It's like those old question of sport picture quizzes where they show you an obscured pic of an obscure sportsmen and Emlyn Hughes and Bill Botham crack-up the whole time suggesting everyone from Princess Anne to Geoff Capes.

That's a 10/10 for Conrad Stanbury tho

A host of players here, from memory this is 1952 (maybe 1953)

l to r: Willie Smith, Rex Williams, Kingsley Kennerley, Alec Brown, Jackie Rea, Sidney Smith, John Barrie, Joe Davis, John Pulman, Walter Donaldson, Sydney Lee, Jim Lees, Fred Davis.

Slightly off topic but rather nice all the same...

1968 World Professional Snooker Championship
John Pulman (holder) v Eddie Charlton (challenger)
Co-operative Hall, Bolton

I'm going to risk the Jim Lees & that's ok as he only requires a tinypic, what with him being 267/269 :)

https://youtu.be/qagusiGzBDU?t=5794 Maurice Parkin (although only in the audience)

Fantastic spot ESH, that'll do very nicely. it's amazing how many players can be found in other people's matches. Like some other mjt vids where it's titled thingy vs watsit, but at the start of the vid, during the introductions, the other table comes out as well, normally very obscure first rounders.

Maurice Parkin pictured in 1955 - the year he won the English Amateur Championship.
Look at those balls, it's understandable how they didn't score such big breaks then - absolute rocks!'

These aren't the most amazing photos (more identikits), but they are at least in colour and there are some more obscure players from the early 1990s. All taken from the World Snooker Almanac.






Craig Edwards


John Read


Les Dodd


Nick Terry


Rod Lawler


Stephen Murphy


Steve Duggan

I'll watch out for more action shots/players playing shots when I look through the snooker magazines. Obviously it should be possible to get better shots of Lawler, etc.

Ahhhh, so that was Steven Murphy!

This clip's been bugging me for weeks!

Should be time stamped at 3:33

https://youtu.be/Ekp5fVdmyBU?t=214

Empire State Human wrote:I'll watch out for more action shots/players playing shots when I look through the snooker magazines. Obviously it should be possible to get better shots of Lawler, etc.

No, quite the reverse. At this stage of the video action shots are more awkward than standing up shots. At this point each player only gets one pic, so it has to, ideally, be the one that makes them most easily identifiable as their look when they were at the event. The act of crouching over a cue obscures them. The Steve Duggan one, for example, is very hard to distinguish from any other random snooker player. The profile pics are preferable, just as long as they're not photofits (a severe close-up of a face with no snooker garb visible).

The Lawler one is fab. It could only be improved by there being a cue in the shot as well, but that's fine as it is.

But many of those action shots were good at showing the person, so it's not a hard rule.

Edit: Any shot at all is, of course, still preferable to zero shots. The Duggan one, btw, is the one I've already got, but all the others have been added, apart from Murphy, who was extremely prevalent in all the 1992 montage clips & now I have confirmed it was him (those clips never say who's who), I can use a great shot of him from those.

Steve Duggan


Dave Martin


Joe O'Boye

I don't have too many early magazines - Cyril is probably your man.


That would be Herbert Holt, if the caption's anything to go by.


Bernard Bennett


Marcus Owen (centre). John Spencer (second left)


Geoff Thompson. I presume there was only one guy by that name - I think I saw a Geoff Thomson or Thomas somewhere.

Superb stuff, all added & really carving through a real batch here. Only 34 left to go now from 54 at the start of play!

Although, for tonight, I'm off to bed & look forward to resuming tomorrow

Empire State Human wrote:
Marcus Owen (centre). John Spencer (second left)

This is the presentation after the 1966 English Amateur Championship final. We should remember that the professional game was pretty much dead -- just the odd challenge to Pulman's World title here and there but otherwise it was limited to 4 or 5 players (Pulman, Fred Davis, Rex Williams, Jackie Rea and to a lesser extent, Kingsley Kennerley) doing the exhibition circuit.


Therefore, without doubt, the single most prestigious and most difficult to win snooker competition in the World throughout the late 1950's and 60's was the English Amateur Championship.

1966 English Amateur Snooker Championship

JOHN SPENCER (Radcliffe) 11-5 MARCUS OWEN (Walthamstow)

Friday 15th & Saturday 16th April, 1966
At The Town Hall, Huddersfield

Frame Scores (Spencer first): -
Session 1... 58-53; 64-79; 91(37)-31; 39-56; 26-87(44). Owen 3-2
Session 2... 95(58)-18; 81-20; 70(36)-43; 71(59)-27; 67-29. Spencer 7-3
Session 3... 48-55; 73(35)-41; 76(53)-37; 101(101)-32; 11-83; 88(37)-24. Spencer 11-5

Referee: Len Oldham

Route to final:

Northern Section
Spencer exempted preliminary rounds
Competition Proper
Rd 1 Spencer beat H. Brittle (Rotherham) 4(48)-0
Rd 2 Spencer beat D. Pollard (Bradford) 4(41,62)-0
Rd 3 Spencer beat B.D. Cakebread (Leicester) 4(39)-0
Semi-final Spencer beat G. Scott (Liverpool) 6(34,50)-1(39)
Final Spencer beat R. Edmonds (Cleethorpes) 6(43)-4(33)

Southern Section
Preliminary Rounds - LONDON AREA
Rd 1 Owen beat E.A. Rutt 4(31,48,33)-0
Rd 2 Owen beat P. Butcher 4(38,30,35)-0
Competition Proper
Rd 1 Owen w/o. S.P. Goodchild (Hounslow) Scr.
Rd 2 Owen beat G. Humphreies (Brixton) 4(31,32)-1(32)
Rd 3 Owen beat A. Woodbridge (Wolverhampton) 4(33)-0
Semi-final Owen beat J. Sheppard (Ilford) 6(38)-2(34,39,43)
Final Owen beat R. Reardon (Stoke-on-Trent) 6(38,74,90)-3(32,36)

Yes, its a shame when snooker seems to miss out on sections of history and the loss of good players that likely resulted.

The years missing from 1941-1945, for example, coincided with Horace Lindrum's peak. How snooker history might have been entirely different had Lindrum had a spell of dominating in these years.

Marcus Owen, if it's the same Marcus Owen from this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtJGCR-HeQ

would probably have been a phenom if he'd had the motivation of big snooker events to make him want to win them, but, as with Lindrum, his peak, likely the late 50s, just coincided with a brief break in transmission.

But then it's always difficult to second-guess which wonder-kids will actually become wonder-adults.

Would you like me to re-list the remaining people, to help keep things neat?

& btw, that pic of Pulman with the trophy was indeed brilliant as, I don't know if it was your intention, but the vid was indeed lacking a pic with both pulman and the trophy. So 10/10 for that one, even though you thought it was off-topic.

LDS wrote:Yes, its a shame when snooker seems to miss out on sections of history and the loss of good players that likely resulted.

The years missing from 1941-1945, for example, coincided with Horace Lindrum's peak. How snooker history might have been entirely different had Lindrum had a spell of dominating in these years.

Marcus Owen, if it's the same Marcus Owen from this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtJGCR-HeQ

would probably have been a phenom if he'd had the motivation of big snooker events to make him want to win them, but, as with Lindrum, his peak, likely the late 50s, just coincided with a brief break in transmission.

But then it's always difficult to second-guess which wonder-kids will actually become wonder-adults.

Would you like me to re-list the remaining people, to help keep things neat?

& btw, that pic of Pulman with the trophy was indeed brilliant as, I don't know if it was your intention, but the vid was indeed lacking a pic with both pulman and the trophy. So 10/10 for that one, even though you thought it was off-topic.

I'm not so sure about Horace. He was brilliant when he first came to England in 1935 and equal to Joe technically but lacked the big match temperament. However, trying to uphold the proud Lindrum tradition seemed to be a heavy burden for him to carry. It wasn't helped that his Mom was very domineering and told everyone he was the best player in the World bar none. By the late 30's his early inspiration had burnt out and he never really recaptured it in competition play. Even though he reached the 1946 World Championship Final and lost by what appears a very respectable margin, he was never really close to Joe. The match was a fortnight long and Joe knew that gate receipts would be adversely affected by a one sided match. It's as if Joe was carrying him through the match. By 1952, when the pro breakaway occurred, Horace was nowhere near the standard of Joe, Fred and Donaldson. The BA&CC World Championship was a farce but Horace saw it as his chance to finally win the title and take the trophy back to Australia for him Mom.

Re Pulman - I suspected it would be nice to use in your video. I also have one of Donaldson with the trophy, if you'd like it?

Absolutely & without doubt, yes.

Here's the 1946 World Championship Final scoresheet... the score would suggest it was close but a closer study gives a different story. Joe made six century breaks in the match (the two highest, 133 & 136, were each in turn new Championship records), whereas Lindrum's highest was an 86 in one of the "dead frames".


1946 WORLD PROFESSIONAL SNOOKER CHAMPIONSHIP
FINAL

6th – 11th, 13th – 18th May
Royal Horticultural Hall, Vincent Square, Westminster, LONDON SW1

JOE DAVIS (England) 78-67 HORACE LINDRUM (Australia)

Frame Scores : -
Session 1 55-54; 28-92; 98(51)-29; 94-60; 82-34; 54-62. Davis 4-2
Session 2 33-73; 82(59)-34; 71-17; 50-59; 61-59; 55-72. Davis 7-5
Session 3 60-71; 0-125(59); 42-78(66); 79-29; 62-36; 125(61)-11. Davis 10-8
Session 4 83-27; 91-31; 70-71; 89-19; 62-47; 37-94(56). Davis 14-10
Session 5 59-31; 56-61; 114(104)-15; 41-77; 57-66; 52-55. Davis 16-14
Session 6 48-80(53); 86(52)-15; 65-39; 44-92; 61(61)-62; 66-33. Davis 19-17
Session 7 80-27; 69-40; 37-70; 88(50)-49; 108(56)-25; 58-69. Davis 23-19
Session 8 134(133)-4; 108(74)-25; 35-92; 53-72; 76-31; 38-71. Davis 26-22
Session 9 51-77; 72-35; 22-110; 105(58)-25; 50-78; 23-89. Davis 28-26
Session 10 114(63)-0; 104-36; 96(62)-33; 103-26; 25-73; 52-74. Davis 32-28
Session 11 85(55)-27; 28-82; 37-80; 35-69; 17-97; 136(136)-0. Davis 34-32
Session 12 98(84)-26; 57-56; 117(107)-13; 61-50; 94(94)-25; 8-86. Davis 39-33
Session 13 103-8; 61-47; 47-72; 68-51; 53-63; 21-103. Davis 42-36
Session 14 44-86(54); 103-15; 53-65; 34-79; 77-55; 96-30. Davis 45-39
Session 15 96(61)-23; 13-103; 108(75)-26; 79(55)-45; 26-65; 43-89. Davis 48-42
Session 16 63-44; 103-48; 36-83(50); 59(59)-69; 103(83)-24; 40-87. Davis 51-45
Session 17 69-50; 48-55; 98(83)-36; 22-111; 82-47; 80(76)-44. Davis 55-47
Session 18 87(87)-45; 64-38; 28-93; 54-72; 44-73; 51-64. Davis 57-51
Session 19 79-33; 75-21; 47-56; 82-37; 82(76)-58; 70(52)-50. Davis 62-52
Session 20 27-67; 75-45; 10-106(53); 89(77)-25; 91-25; 43-82. Davis 65-55
Session 21 55(53)-84; 80-24; 99(67)-31; 35-73; 79(66)-52; 20-93(60). Davis 68-58
Session 22 67-49; 80-53; 6-93; 122(122)-0; 42-87(58); 28-97. Davis 71-61
Session 23 86-54; 28-105; *91-27; 20-77; 44-67; 72(58)-59. Davis 74-64
Session 24 145(116)-0; 99-15; 85-29; 47-55; 96(83)-23; 26-109(86); 48-54. Davis 78-67
*Davis reached a 73-62 winning lead in the 135th frame.

Referee: Mr T.B. Leng

Radio broadcasts: The Light Programme – 1500 metres; 261.1 metres

From Snooker Scene 1990-1995. The magazine was still 90%+ black and white during these years. I've included some duplicate players so you can choose which pictures you prefer.


Paul Cavney


Paul Cavney (I presume in reverse chronological order)


Paul Mifsud


Craig Edwards


Craig Edwards


Tai Pichit


Tai Pichit


Surinder Gill


Herbert Holt


Herbert Holt & Roger Moore


Robin Hull


Robin Hull


Gary Ponting


Nick Walker


Nick Terry


Stephen Murphy


John Read


Stephen O'Connor


Steve Duggan


Dave Martin