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Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Badsnookerplayer

Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.



flue
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a duct for smoke and waste gases produced by a fire, a gas heater, a power station, or other fuel-burning installation

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Wildey

Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.

Asians have been using masks for years because of smog but not inside cant say i remember a Mask in chinese or Indian events.


Its not the first time they been tested but evidence shows its inconclusive for protection against a Virus maybe after this Pandemic they would have got the evidence one way or another but i guess you need a pandemic to fully test anything of this nature that is claim to work to find out if it does actually work.

That is how things develop the same with vaccine you can't test a vaccine if infection not there.

My bone of contention and its done to death if I'm honest, i hate masks they make me ill and feel nauseous and if i do all that i need to know they work otherwise it's a waste of time and make me miserable.

Ill always wear them don't want tits in shops attacking me for not wearing one but ill stay away from them best i can and it ruins my enjoyment of sport seeing masks so as a sport fan i can't watch if masks on screen..


that is the end from me on this subject now.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Holden Chinaski

Wildey wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.

Asians have been using masks for years because of smog .

I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium and in other countries like Spain and Holland wearing masks. No smog there. I was told they wear masks when they're sick so they don't make other people sick.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby chengdufan

Holden Chinaski wrote:
Wildey wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.

Asians have been using masks for years because of smog .

I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium and in other countries like Spain and Holland wearing masks. No smog there. I was told they wear masks when they're sick so they don't make other people sick.

Pre-covid, Wildey's right that in China some people were wearing masks because of the pollution. European cities have pollution too, and that was probably the reason for tourists wearing masks.
I'm only speaking through my experience of Chinese culture. Don't know about other Asian countries.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Holden Chinaski

chengdufan wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Wildey wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.

Asians have been using masks for years because of smog .

I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium and in other countries like Spain and Holland wearing masks. No smog there. I was told they wear masks when they're sick so they don't make other people sick.

Pre-covid, Wildey's right that in China some people were wearing masks because of the pollution. European cities have pollution too, and that was probably the reason for tourists wearing masks.
I'm only speaking through my experience of Chinese culture. Don't know about other Asian countries.

I was misinformed then. You're right of course, European cities have pollution as well. Thanks for the explanation. :hatoff:

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby lhpirnie

Wildey wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.

Asians have been using masks for years because of smog but not inside cant say i remember a Mask in chinese or Indian events.


Its not the first time they been tested but evidence shows its inconclusive for protection against a Virus maybe after this Pandemic they would have got the evidence one way or another but i guess you need a pandemic to fully test anything of this nature that is claim to work to find out if it does actually work.

That is how things develop the same with vaccine you can't test a vaccine if infection not there.

My bone of contention and its done to death if I'm honest, i hate masks they make me ill and feel nauseous and if i do all that i need to know they work otherwise it's a waste of time and make me miserable.

Ill always wear them don't want tits in shops attacking me for not wearing one but ill stay away from them best i can and it ruins my enjoyment of sport seeing masks so as a sport fan i can't watch if masks on screen..


that is the end from me on this subject now.

For me I cannot believe that research has not been done to measure the effectiveness of facemasks, and to improve technology where they are ineffective or uncomfortable to wear. They are not a new invention. It is obviously difficult to pioneer a vaccine or anti-viral drugs, because the virus is new. But facemasks are about air and water droplets, which aren't new concepts. I'm afraid the scientists haven't distinguished themselves in this crisis.


It's very common in Japan to wear facemasks when suffering coughs or colds. It is about protecting others, not about pollution.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Andre147

lhpirnie wrote:Anyway, I came to this thread to report that Ronnie O'Sullivan has withdrawn from the Championship League. John Astley will replace him on Monday.


Where did you see confirmation of that?

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Andre147

Nevermind, I see on WST website Astley is playing Monday.

Guess Ronnie's next match is at the English Open.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Holden Chinaski

lhpirnie wrote:
It's very common in Japan to wear facemasks when suffering coughs or colds. It is about protecting others, not about pollution.

This is what I was told, but I could be wrong. Not sure if it's a Japanese thing only, I thought it was also common in China.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby HappyCamper

Holden Chinaski wrote:
lhpirnie wrote:
It's very common in Japan to wear facemasks when suffering coughs or colds. It is about protecting others, not about pollution.

This is what I was told, but I could be wrong. Not sure if it's a Japanese thing only, I thought it was also common in China.


i wouldn't have said it was common in china from my experience. when i've been there, there were the odd couple of people in the office with masks on, out of hundreds. but more often they were worn outside. caveat, that was never during flu season or an outbreak. i think masks were widely used during the SARS-COV-1 outbreak?

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby lhpirnie

HappyCamper wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
lhpirnie wrote:
It's very common in Japan to wear facemasks when suffering coughs or colds. It is about protecting others, not about pollution.

This is what I was told, but I could be wrong. Not sure if it's a Japanese thing only, I thought it was also common in China.


i wouldn't have said it was common in china from my experience. when i've been there, there were the odd couple of people in the office with masks on, out of hundreds. but more often they were worn outside. caveat, that was never during flu season or an outbreak. i think masks were widely used during the SARS-COV-1 outbreak?

I actually wore a facemask myself in China last time I was there, and it's quite common in big cities. But there may be a pollution aspect to it. China is such a big place it's impossible to generalise of course.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby HappyCamper

lhpirnie wrote:For me I cannot believe that research has not been done to measure the effectiveness of facemasks, and to improve technology where they are ineffective or uncomfortable to wear. They are not a new invention. It is obviously difficult to pioneer a vaccine or anti-viral drugs, because the virus is new. But facemasks are about air and water droplets, which aren't new concepts. I'm afraid the scientists haven't distinguished themselves in this crisis.


that bolded part is a bit much. just because a perfect solution can't be magicked out of thin air. a huge and remarkable amount of work has been done on understanding the virus in a short space of time. mask efficacy is not just a question of air and water droplets. it is also dependent on the virus properties, environmental factors, human behaviour, compliance rates etc.

there has been research on masks but the conclusions are conditional since they are based mostly on laboratory conditions or using other viruses. doing proper controlled trials in a real world setting is difficult, and even impossible in the case of a novel pathogen before widespread infections occur.

face coverings are probably somewhat effective at limiting spread from droplet transmission by the wearer, and might offer some protection to the wearer. higher grade masks like n95 are better and can limit aerosols but need specialised fitting and training to use.

i think the anti-masker types tend to overstate the degree to which the uncertainty matters, treating 'we can't be sure' as 'just flinging rubbish at the wall to see what sticks'. but the costs and risks are low; so on balance masks are probably worthwhile - but ultimately that's a matter for policy not science.

lhpirnie wrote:I actually wore a facemask myself in China last time I was there, and it's quite common in big cities. But there may be a pollution aspect to it. China is such a big place it's impossible to generalise of course.

aye, tha's what i mean. people mostly wore outdoors because of pollution. but took off in the air conditioned office - where if you were worried about infection you'd keep it on.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Holden Chinaski

Badsnookerplayer wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:I think people in Asia are used to wearing masks in public when they are sick or when there's a flue about? I've seen Asian tourists in Belgium wearing mouth masks lots of times long before the COVID pandemic. So I don't think this is the first time these things are tested.



flue
/fluː/

noun
a duct for smoke and waste gases produced by a fire, a gas heater, a power station, or other fuel-burning installation

Yes, that's what I was saying. If you're near one of those you should wear a mask.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Wildey

Apparently Ronnie withdrew because of the Bubble environment.


Well going forward that could be a massive issue for him.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby D4P

Wildey wrote:Apparently Ronnie withdrew because of the Bubble environment.


Well going forward that could be a massive issue for him.


Yeah, it sounds like he won't be playing as long as this type of bubble environment is in place. Winning the WSC will probably make it easier for him to feel like playing in these smaller events isn't worth the risk or inconvenience for this season.

Here are some of his recent comments:

O’Sullivan played in the bubble environment in the edition of the Championship League in June and was not a fan of it, saying that if those protocols continue he would not play many events this season, as he had planned to do so.

‘No ones knows what’s going to happen, but if that’s the protocol I’m going to have to make a sharp U-turn and minimise the events I play in,’ O’Sullivan told Metro.co.uk in July.

‘There’s no sustainability living that sort of lifestyle for me.

‘If they was going to put us in a 5* hotel, 5* food, a nice running track out the back, you’ve got a nice hotel where you can open your veranda, I could deal with that, I could have that 48 weeks a year.

‘But when they want to stick you in MK Dons football ground, where you can’t open your window and I come out in spots and boils because I haven’t had any fresh air…

‘My idea of going to a tournament is having comfortable surroundings. If I can’t control the controlables, the time between your matches and how you manage that, if that’s taken away from you, for me, that’s not how I live my life.

‘I play maybe three times a week for a couple of hours, if that, and the rest of my life is spent in fresh air and keeping fit, enjoying my life.’

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby D4P

SteveJJ wrote:If that is the case, why did he enter?


Who knows. Maybe he hoped the conditions would be different, only to find out that they were the same.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby TheRocket

If he is really concerned about health he should only play the CoC,Masters, UK and World Championship this season.

CoC and Masters are 16 players events and UK and World obviously must play tournaments.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby SnookerFan

This situation is like Anthony Hamilton again.

I have nothing against players pulling out if they don't feel safe.

I can understand the "Why enter in the first place?" argument. But at the same time, I'm not going to have a go at a player for changing their mind and deciding to pull out. Not under the current circumstances.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Andre147

Yes these are unprecedented times, so him pulling out is ok. It's not like in the past when he sometimes pulled out of events because he couldn't be bothered to travel.

Health comes first for him or any other player on the tour.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby SnookerFan

Andre147 wrote:Yes these are unprecedented times, so him pulling out is ok. It's not like in the past when he sometimes pulled out of events because he couldn't be bothered to travel.

Health comes first for him or any other player on the tour.


Yeah, tnose old Chinese events were a bit frustrating when he'd enter, decide he couldn't be bothered at the last minute and come up with some obviously bogus illness excuse.

That just felt like messing people around. And is totally different to what is happening now.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby Andre147

SnookerFan wrote:
Andre147 wrote:Yes these are unprecedented times, so him pulling out is ok. It's not like in the past when he sometimes pulled out of events because he couldn't be bothered to travel.

Health comes first for him or any other player on the tour.


Yeah, tnose old Chinese events were a bit frustrating when he'd enter, decide he couldn't be bothered at the last minute and come up with some obviously bogus illness excuse.

That just felt like messing people around. And is totally different to what is happening now.


The worst one was one year and that didn't even came from a China event, it was the German Masters (can't remember which year), when he pulled out the day before or something like that. Every poster with his picture and the sort... I think he was actually fined that time.

But yes, here his reasons are more than justified, same with every other player. I agree with TR, if he's so afraid, maybe he should commit to big UK events only, but maybe he'll also play all the Home Nations like he normally does.

Re: Ronnie O'Sullivan on Covid-19 fears

Postby The_Abbott

I'm surprised it took this long for Ronnie to pull out of this event, this event seems 'beneath him'. He may as well focus on the bigger tournaments where you play more frames and less time to get bored in your hotel room.

We know cases are on the up and started to effect sport (Daniel Wells, players in football) so its only a question of time before tournaments are postponed again. Enjoy what we have at the moment.