by Dan-cat » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:Johnny Bravo wrote:Iranu wrote:Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
Don't you think that the fact that they were mere kids had something to do with him dominating ?!?
When the class of 92 turned 20, Hendry's domination ended.
Lets put this in to perspective
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World ChampionshipHendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
What a comeback.
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by SnookerFan » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Dan-cat wrote:Wildey wrote:Johnny Bravo wrote:Iranu wrote:Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
Don't you think that the fact that they were mere kids had something to do with him dominating ?!?
When the class of 92 turned 20, Hendry's domination ended.
Lets put this in to perspective
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World ChampionshipHendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
What a comeback.
Don't call it a comeback.
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by mick745 » 08 Sep 2020 Read
This is the thing about sporting records. Somebody has already achieved that record. This means another human can do that also.
However some records have stood for a very long time, some bowling records in cricket for instance Headley Verity's 10for10 in 1932 hasnt been broken and there has been a decline in first class cricket being played in recent years so would be difficult.
However there are lots more ranking events in snooker now, so a good player with a reasonable longevity can rack up more centuries and more ranking titles than in the past.
But as always be careful comparing eras, Joe Davis is the real master woth 15 world titles.
People say it was different then. In 80 years people will be saying that about now. People may be looking back and thinking the overall standard in 2020 was primitive compared to 2100.
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by SnookerFan » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Also, there's no characters in the game any more.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:ROS and Hendry are the two greatest ever.
But both, Ronnie and Hendry have weaknesses. Ronnies weakness is that he hasnt won more World titles. 6 is great with all the other titles he's won and records he broke but probably not enough yet to be the undisputed and definite GOAT in the eyes of everyone.
Hendrys weakness is that he barely won anything after turning 30. His last major was his seventh World title in 1999. He had 10 years at the very top but a poor later career which haunts his legacy a little bit.
Hendrys Weakness was despite his Long game deteriorating he still went for them and because of the confidence he lost by thoes not going in he lost confidence in other shots. The pack splitter became weak far too tentative on it and it snowed balled from there.
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by Holden Chinaski » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World Championship
Hendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
Yes, but Ronnie did steamroll and humiliate the King at the 2004 and 2008 World championships where he destroyed him 17-4 and 17-6 at the Crucible.
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by TheRocket » 08 Sep 2020 Read
2008 was a great win but Hendry was definitely well past his prime at that stage and couldnt compete in that match but the 2004 win was superb. Hendry was still a great player and he beat Ronnie at the British Open that season in a very high quality match and then destroyed him at the UK Championship 9:4. So Hendry definitely had the game to beat him.
But long-haired ROS really produced a masterclass. A fantastic one visit display.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
mick745 wrote:This is the thing about sporting records. Somebody has already achieved that record. This means another human can do that also.
However some records have stood for a very long time, some bowling records in cricket for instance Headley Verity's 10for10 in 1932 hasnt been broken and there has been a decline in first class cricket being played in recent years so would be difficult.
However there are lots more ranking events in snooker now, so a good player with a reasonable longevity can rack up more centuries and more ranking titles than in the past.
But as always be careful comparing eras, Joe Davis is the real master woth 15 world titles.
People say it was different then. In 80 years people will be saying that about now. People may be looking back and thinking the overall standard in 2020 was primitive compared to 2100.
Thats true about John Higgins hes played 305 more Matches than Hendry and won about 500 more frames than Hendry but regarding Ronnie he has played much less so regarding break building and his win ratio and longevity in my opinion Ronnie has now surpassed Stephen Hendry.
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by Holden Chinaski » 08 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:2008 was a great win but Hendry was definitely well past his prime at that stage and couldnt compete in that match but the 2004 win was superb. Hendry was still a great player and he beat Ronnie at the British Open that season in a very high quality match and then destroyed him at the UK Championship 9:4. So Hendry definitely had the game to beat him.
But long-haired ROS really produced a masterclass. A fantastic one visit display.
Ronnie was a beast in 2004. The 2005 Masters was also brilliant. Loved watching him play in 2004 and 2005. A mad troubled genius he was in those days.
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by TheRocket » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:TheRocket wrote:2008 was a great win but Hendry was definitely well past his prime at that stage and couldnt compete in that match but the 2004 win was superb. Hendry was still a great player and he beat Ronnie at the British Open that season in a very high quality match and then destroyed him at the UK Championship 9:4. So Hendry definitely had the game to beat him.
But long-haired ROS really produced a masterclass. A fantastic one visit display.
Ronnie was a beast in 2004. The 2005 Masters was also brilliant. Loved watching him play in 2004 and 2005. A mad troubled genius he was in those days.
His win over Hendry in the 2004 semis and over Higgins in the 2005 Masters final are definitely two of his best ever performances without any doubt. But he was indeed a mad troubled genius. The Ebdon match in 2005 was a prime example. Ebdons slow play totally destroyed him.
Still good times though. There is no doubt that Reardon deserves a lot of credit. He transformed ROS into a topclass Allround player which is probably the key reason for Ronnies longevity.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:Wildey wrote:
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World Championship
Hendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
Yes, but Ronnie did steamroll and humiliate the King at the 2004 and 2008 World championships where he destroyed him 17-4 and 17-6 at the Crucible.
Well he had to wait until he was past his best to do it.
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by Holden Chinaski » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Wildey wrote:
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World Championship
Hendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
Yes, but Ronnie did steamroll and humiliate the King at the 2004 and 2008 World championships where he destroyed him 17-4 and 17-6 at the Crucible.
Well he had to wait until he was past his best to do it.
Or Hendry could only beat Ronnie before Ronnie was in his prime.
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by Holden Chinaski » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Hendry was only 35 in 2004. Should not be well past his prime. Love Hendry but that's way too young to be well past your prime.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:Wildey wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Wildey wrote:
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World Championship
Hendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
Yes, but Ronnie did steamroll and humiliate the King at the 2004 and 2008 World championships where he destroyed him 17-4 and 17-6 at the Crucible.
Well he had to wait until he was past his best to do it.
Or Hendry could only beat Ronnie before Ronnie was in his prime.
Hendry has beaten both Ronnie and Higgins at the Crucible while they were defending World Champion.
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by TheRocket » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry was only 35 in 2004. Should not be well past his prime. Love Hendry but that's way too young to be well past your prime.
Indeed. In fact Hendry was higher ranked than Ronnie and beat him in both matches they played (multi session matches) that season before they met at the Crucible. Many people expected it to be a close match. No one saw the slaughtering coming.
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by Cloud Strife » 08 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry was only 35 in 2004. Should not be well past his prime. Love Hendry but that's way too young to be well past your prime.
Indeed. In fact Hendry was higher ranked than Ronnie and beat him in both matches they played (multi session matches) that season before they met at the Crucible. Many people expected it to be a close match. No one saw the slaughtering coming.
True. Hendry was also ranked world number 1 in 2006.
People act like he was some old man who could no longer hold a cue after the age of 30. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Cloud Strife wrote:TheRocket wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry was only 35 in 2004. Should not be well past his prime. Love Hendry but that's way too young to be well past your prime.
Indeed. In fact Hendry was higher ranked than Ronnie and beat him in both matches they played (multi session matches) that season before they met at the Crucible. Many people expected it to be a close match. No one saw the slaughtering coming.
True. Hendry was also ranked world number 1 in 2006.
People act like he was some old man who could no longer hold a cue after the age of 30. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
He was still up there because he was a great player, but he did not really play great stuff to get there it was all about reaching plenty of Quarter Finals.
Anyone who thinks Hendry still played great to reach that Semis in 2004 and 2008 needs to make some research he made just 10 centuries between 1st round 2004 and Semi Final 2008 in 5 years anyone who knows anything about Stephen Hendry at that time if the breaks not going in he was struggling.
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by LC » 08 Sep 2020 Read
ROS beat peak hendry in uk final in 93 aged 17, which is quite impressive and was 9-4 in finals against him
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by Holden Chinaski » 08 Sep 2020 Read
LC wrote:ROS beat peak hendry in uk final in 93 aged 17, which is quite impressive and was 9-4 in finals against him
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by SnookerEd25 » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Shouldn't it be 'centuries'?
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by Johnny Bravo » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:Lets put this in to perspective
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World Championship
Hendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
And out of all those times he beat them, in how many occasions did he win the title ?!
Let me tell you: just once, in 1999.
My point is that in the early 90's, Hendry only had 1 or 2 tough matches at the WC, now you have 4 or 5
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