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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Great vid. Really shows how amazing Hendry and Ronnie are. John Higgins as well.
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by Dan-cat » 07 Sep 2020 Read
That's amazing!!! Love the way Hendry pops up and zooms off, only to be surpassed by Ronnie in speed
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by HustleKing » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:Great vid. Really shows how amazing Hendry and Ronnie are. John Higgins as well.
I'm not sure. With the natural ability they have (and with Higgin's and Ronnie's longevity), would they not be expected to get at least the amount of centuries they currently have? Certainly with Ronnie, it is far from a surprise that he has broken the 1000 century barrier. Still amazing achievements, but expected achievements imo
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
HustleKing wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Great vid. Really shows how amazing Hendry and Ronnie are. John Higgins as well.
I'm not sure. With the natural ability they have (and with Higgin's and Ronnie's longevity), would they not be expected to get at least the amount of centuries they currently have? Certainly with Ronnie, it is far from a surprise that he has broken the 1000 century barrier. Still amazing achievements, but expected achievements imo
It may seem obvious now, but who expected Ronnie to be this good and to last so long?! People were saying he was declining ten years ago.
It was obvious Ronnie and Higgins were talented when they started, but people didn't know how good they really were going to be. It's not just natural ability, it's also amazing work ethic and an ability to keep adapting to new younger rivals over and over again.
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by D4P » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:It may seem obvious now, but who expected Ronnie to be this good and to last so long?! People were saying he was declining ten years ago.
I was thinking about this the other day. Stephen Hendry was 30 years old when he won his 18th (and final*) triple crown event. Ronnie only had 7 TC events at age 30. Who would have ever thought that Ronnie would win at least 13 more TC events after the age at which Hendry won his last*...?
*Barring any more TC wins during his comeback...
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by HustleKing » 07 Sep 2020 Read
D4P wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:It may seem obvious now, but who expected Ronnie to be this good and to last so long?! People were saying he was declining ten years ago.
I was thinking about this the other day. Stephen Hendry was 30 years old when he won his 18th (and final*) triple crown event. Ronnie only had 7 TC events at age 30. Who would have ever thought that Ronnie would win at least 13 more TC events after the age at which Hendry won his last*...?
*Barring any more TC wins during his comeback...
A lot of people I would imagine, given that Hendry won his last TC at the age of 30
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
HustleKing wrote:D4P wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:It may seem obvious now, but who expected Ronnie to be this good and to last so long?! People were saying he was declining ten years ago.
I was thinking about this the other day. Stephen Hendry was 30 years old when he won his 18th (and final*) triple crown event. Ronnie only had 7 TC events at age 30. Who would have ever thought that Ronnie would win at least 13 more TC events after the age at which Hendry won his last*...?
*Barring any more TC wins during his comeback...
A lot of people I would imagine, given that Hendry won his last TC at the age of 30
I don't think there were many people who believed this would happen. Even on this forum the talk of decline has been going on for years. People were saying he wasn't going to win any more World Championships before 2012. People on this forum were saying he'll never win a Wold championship again not that long ago. There was even a thread here asking if Ronnie will ever win a ranking again.. People used to say the ranking record of Hendry would never be broken...
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by TheRocket » 07 Sep 2020 Read
In the past we always thought players would decline big time once they reach their mid 30's but now its the opposite and its Hendry who is more the expection rather than the rule from the look of things.
And its not just the class of 92 who is still going strong. The likes of Robertson,Selby,Murphy all still play to a high level despite being 37/38 now. Bingham and Hawkins have had huge success in their mid to late 30's. Especially Bingham who is 44 now and won the Masters in January.
Even a very low ranked player like Mark Davis played his best Snooker in his early 40's.
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by Johnny Bravo » 07 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:In the past we always thought players would decline big time once they reach their mid 30's but now its the opposite and its Hendry who is more the expection rather than the rule from the look of things.
And its not just the class of 92 who is still going strong. The likes of Robertson,Selby,Murphy all still play to a high level despite being 37/38 now. Bingham and Hawkins have had huge success in their mid to late 30's. Especially Bingham who is 44 now and won the Masters in January.
Even a very low ranked player like Mark Davis played his best Snooker in his early 40's.
This just proves that Hendry could not cope with the stronger crop of players that appeared in the late 90s..
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by TheRocket » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:TheRocket wrote:In the past we always thought players would decline big time once they reach their mid 30's but now its the opposite and its Hendry who is more the expection rather than the rule from the look of things.
And its not just the class of 92 who is still going strong. The likes of Robertson,Selby,Murphy all still play to a high level despite being 37/38 now. Bingham and Hawkins have had huge success in their mid to late 30's. Especially Bingham who is 44 now and won the Masters in January.
Even a very low ranked player like Mark Davis played his best Snooker in his early 40's.
This just proves that Hendry could not cope with the stronger crop of players that appeared in the late 90s..
it definitely shows the increased standard has had a big impact. I'm not having a go at Hendry and have a lot of respect for him but its not a fluke his most dominant period ended right when the likes of ROS,Higgins,Williams,Doherty,Ebdon and people like that started to enter their prime.
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
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by D4P » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Did Hendry ever rope-a-dope...?
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by Johnny Bravo » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
D4P wrote:Did Hendry ever rope-a-dope...?
No that's Ronnie and Ali.
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
That's a lot of excuses. No excuses needed for Ali, and this is coming from a Tyson fan. Hendry's downfall was his cue which he used all his life getting broken into pieces at the airport...
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by rekoons » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Why does every conversation between you two always ends up discussing boxing lately?
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by Holden Chinaski » 07 Sep 2020 Read
rekoons wrote:Why does every conversation between you two always ends up discussing boxing lately?
I did it as a joke this time because SnookerFan hates it.
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by TheRocket » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
Lets put it this way. If Hendry was same age as Class of 92 he would have definitely still won World titles and other titles and be one of the very best players but he wouldnt have dominated the way he did in the early 90's. I think thats pretty obvious. I mean how are you supposed to totally dominate in an era when you have a prime Class of 92 as opposition. And a few other great players. He would have rather shared his titles than dominate it. Its just a fact.
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by rekoons » 07 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:Johnny Bravo wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
Lets put it this way. If Hendry was same age as Class of 92 he would have definitely still won World titles and other titles and be one of the very best players but he wouldnt have dominated the way he did in the early 90's. I think thats pretty obvious. I mean how are you supposed to totally dominate in an era when you have a prime Class of 92 as opposition. And a few other great players. He would have rather shared his titles than dominate it. Its just a fact.
I kind of agree with this.
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by Iranu » 07 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:Johnny Bravo wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
Lets put it this way. If Hendry was same age as Class of 92 he would have definitely still won World titles and other titles and be one of the very best players but he wouldnt have dominated the way he did in the early 90's. I think thats pretty obvious. I mean how are you supposed to totally dominate in an era when you have a prime Class of 92 as opposition. And a few other great players. He would have rather shared his titles than dominate it. Its just a fact.
If Hendry was the same age as the Class of 92, the Class of 92 and the like wouldn’t have been as good as they are from as young as they were, so there’s a good chance Hendry would have won exactly the same number of world titles.
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by TheRocket » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Iranu wrote:TheRocket wrote:Johnny Bravo wrote:Holden Chinaski wrote:Hendry in his prime was very similar to Mike Tyson in his prime. Very attacking and intimidating. Tyson didn't have any longevity either. Both very hard workers and both wanted to dominate and be the best.. When people stopped being intimidated, both started losing.
Both are making a comeback now as well.
Tyson's downfall was the result of firing his coach, not training properly anymore, alcohol, drugs and hookers.
That does not apply to Hendry. He was still very professional, but the class of 92 surpassed his standard and few more came along that could match Hendry. That's why he stopped being top dog.
Lets put it this way. If Hendry was same age as Class of 92 he would have definitely still won World titles and other titles and be one of the very best players but he wouldnt have dominated the way he did in the early 90's. I think thats pretty obvious. I mean how are you supposed to totally dominate in an era when you have a prime Class of 92 as opposition. And a few other great players. He would have rather shared his titles than dominate it. Its just a fact.
If Hendry was the same age as the Class of 92, the Class of 92 and the like wouldn’t have been as good as they are from as young as they were, so there’s a good chance Hendry would have won exactly the same number of world titles.
I think Class of 92 would have adapted to Hendrys level very quickly if they were same age and started their careers at the same time
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by Iranu » 07 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:
I think Class of 92 would have adapted to Hendrys level very quickly if they were same age and started their careers at the same time
Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
The whole thing is nonsense anyway
without Hendry, Davis would probably have been like 9 times World Champ and Jimmy probably a World Champ (I’m not being any more definitive than that with Jimmy!)
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by TheRocket » 07 Sep 2020 Read
You could be right about the 5 years before they caught up. Hendry was an early bloomer. I still dont think he would have won 7 World titles. However. Who cares. It is what it is.
But funnily enough Hendry only stopped Davis once at the World Championship. And that was 1994. Its like Davis got weaker mentally because Hendry arrived to the scene. He just couldnt handle it that he wasnt the best anymore.
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by Johnny Bravo » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Iranu wrote:Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
Don't you think that the fact that they were mere kids had something to do with him dominating ?!?
When the class of 92 turned 20, Hendry's domination ended.
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by Johnny Bravo » 07 Sep 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:You could be right about the 5 years before they caught up. Hendry was an early bloomer. I still dont think he would have won 7 World titles. However. Who cares. It is what it is.
But funnily enough Hendry only stopped Davis once at the World Championship. And that was 1994. Its like Davis got weaker mentally because Hendry arrived to the scene. He just couldnt handle it that he wasnt the best anymore.
Hendry would have 3 or 4 world titles at best.
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by Iranu » 07 Sep 2020 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:Iranu wrote:Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
Don't you think that the fact that they were mere kids had something to do with him dominating ?!?
When the class of 92 turned 20, Hendry's domination ended.
... Yes, the fact that three of the best players of all time were children when they were watching Hendry when they were... children... probably helped Hendry.
You’re missing my point. They were able to learn from Hendry in the 80s as they grew up. Without that there’s no telling how they’d be as players. Just like there’s no telling how successful Hendry would have been if he didn’t have the winning machine Davis to learn from when he was developing as a kid/teenager.
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing!!! Love the way Hendry pops up and zooms off, only to be surpassed by Ronnie in speed
Hendrys Centuries dried up considerably in the last 5 years had he made tons at same rate he would have made more than 900 by the time he retired in 2012.
It will be interesting to see if he can get his game together how much can he add to that.
Despite his senior form not been great hes still one of the few to actually make breaks
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by Wildey » 08 Sep 2020 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:Iranu wrote:Not quickly enough to stop him having a good ~5 years before they caught up. Bear in mind they’d been watching him since they were kids and they still didn’t really catch up to his level until the mid/late 90s.
Don't you think that the fact that they were mere kids had something to do with him dominating ?!?
When the class of 92 turned 20, Hendry's domination ended.
Lets put this in to perspective
at the World Championship Stephen Hendry beat
Ronnie at 24 and 27
Mark Williams at 22, 25 and 34
John Higgins at 36
At the World ChampionshipHendry 7-3 Class of 92
so he's definitely the KING of the Crucible
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by TheRocket » 08 Sep 2020 Read
ROS and Hendry are the two greatest ever.
But both, Ronnie and Hendry have weaknesses. Ronnies weakness is that he hasnt won more World titles. 6 is great with all the other titles he's won and records he broke but probably not enough yet to be the undisputed and definite GOAT in the eyes of everyone.
Hendrys weakness is that he barely won anything after turning 30. His last major was his seventh World title in 1999. He had 10 years at the very top but a poor later career which haunts his legacy a little bit.
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