Re: 2020 SI World Championship of World Championships SF OPE
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Badsnookerplayer - Posts: 26554
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Iranu wrote:When has Williams “smashed up” Ronnie, Higgins, Hendry or Judd? Genuine question as I can’t think of a time he has. He’s beaten them of course but I can’t remember him demolishing them.
And more to the point why is Judd a part of this conversation but not Robbo, for example? What has Judd achieved that Robbo hasn’t?
Peak level snooker had nothing to do with the other opponent. Ronnie and Judd have both played peak level snooker against ‘lesser’ opponents. Look at how Selby played in the English Open final. He would have won that match regardless of who he was playing, he was phenomenal.
You say Selby’s always struggling but you’re ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
I defend Selby against idiots who claim he’s a talentless grinder because he’s clearly a lot more than that. He’s one of the most decorated players in the history of the game. Please show me another “talentless grinder” who’s even come close to his achievements.
Acé wrote:csprince wrote:if higgins/ronnie were at their peak they would of battered selby 18-12 at worst.
you can't rewrite history they lost.yes i find selby dull as dishwater to watch and i turn over and find something else to watch but you can't knock his record charisma don't put food on the table or pay's bills you don't like selby we get it neither do i but i don't lovely lady about it all the time.
Then mind your own business lol don't participate in the discussion
Acé wrote:Iranu wrote:When has Williams “smashed up” Ronnie, Higgins, Hendry or Judd? Genuine question as I can’t think of a time he has. He’s beaten them of course but I can’t remember him demolishing them.
And more to the point why is Judd a part of this conversation but not Robbo, for example? What has Judd achieved that Robbo hasn’t?
Peak level snooker had nothing to do with the other opponent. Ronnie and Judd have both played peak level snooker against ‘lesser’ opponents. Look at how Selby played in the English Open final. He would have won that match regardless of who he was playing, he was phenomenal.
You say Selby’s always struggling but you’re ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
I defend Selby against idiots who claim he’s a talentless grinder because he’s clearly a lot more than that. He’s one of the most decorated players in the history of the game. Please show me another “talentless grinder” who’s even come close to his achievements.
Williams has given hiding to Ronnie and Higgins in the early 2000s in finals and given a hiding to Hendry in the 90s too. Robertson isn't in the tourament so I dunno why I would be discussing him, Judd and Selby are.
Judd and Ronnie have played peak level snooker against THE GREATS and demolished them from time to time, ofc they've also received the same in return but that's what makes them great. Judd beating Ronnie 10-4 at the Masters and Higgins 18-9 at the WC is >>>>>>>>>>>> x1000 more impressive than Selby beating whoever that choker farmer was in that tournament lmao
same way as Ronnie smashing Hendry at 2004 WC and Higgins at 2005 Masters, 2007 Masters etc, those are peak performances that Selby can't do against the greats because he doesn't have the skill, he has to drag his opponents down to win rather than go out there and put on a clinic.
Ronnie was leading 10-5 at 2014 WC and Higgins was leading 10-4 at 2017 WC, only due to grindfests their game was lowered to Selby's level then Selby won otherwise if Higgins/Ronnie were at their peak they would've battered Selby 18-12 AT WORST
Selby isn't decorated either despite being a 3x champion he never got the adoration from the fans nor his peers. Hendry said "he's good at winning UGLY" that's the best recognition he's got lol he's like the Djokovic of Snooker. Won many trophies, but the crowd always against them because they play a boring style of their respective sports and they don't have any personality/flair to root for.
You can keep defending Selby cuz you like boring grinders and he's your idol otherwise you wouldn't go to this extent to defend him and it's only Selby you go to this extent for, I'll keep attacking because I like offensive/attacking/flair players. We are the opposite.
Holden Chinaski wrote:Badsnookerplayer wrote:Good post Walloon
I'm a Flandrien. Like Eddy Merckx.
Iranu wrote:So I’ve looked at MJW’s record against Hendry, Ronnie and Higgins in finals:
He beat Hendry 9-2 in the ‘97 British Open but only made two breaks over 60.
He’s beaten Ronnie in one final, in the 2000 Grand Prix and it was 9-5 so hardly a demolition.
Likewise his most comfortable victory over Higgins was 9-5 in the 2003 LG Cup.
So he hasn’t demolished any of the greats in a final with peak snooker. But you don’t care because you like to watch him.
I agree that Judd destroying Ronnie in the Masters and Higgins in the WC are more impressive than Selby destroying Gilbert. That was never my point. Peak snooker has nothing to do with who you’re playing, they’re completely different. Although I will say that Judd’s performance against Higgins was a bit more impressive because of his previous record against him.
Decoration and adoration are also completely different. Hendry was hated at his peak. I doubt his trophy cabinet cares.
Trust me I’m no fan of Selby’s although I don’t hate him as much as some. If nothing else he’s inflicted some of the most painful losses I’ve ever watched as a fan.
I defend him more than anyone else because nobody else on this forum gets anywhere near as much rubbish as Selby does. Just because I’m not a fan that doesn’t mean it’s fair. You’ve failed time and again to address what i say, just dismissing him as a talentless grinder despite evidence to the contrary.
Iranu wrote:In what world is 9-5 a demolition? It’s a convincing victory, yes, but not a demolition. And he didn’t play peak snooker in wither of those matches anyway so by your own criteria he apparently isn’t a great player!
Even if what you say about peaks is true (it isn’t) you’re arguing that Selby is a talentless grinder just because he hasn’t done what the greatest players in the history of the game have done (and Judd who is the 2nd most talented player I’ve ever seen).
You keep saying he needs to grind players down, this isn’t true either! In the 2016 UK final he made three centuries in the last three frames he won and Ronnie made two centuries and an 80 in the last three that he won.
It’s a ridiculous argument. He’s the 6th highest century maker of all time for crying out loud.
You just hate him so you don’t want to say anything positive about him and can’t stand the fact that he’s a good player because you’re a child.
Holden Chinaski wrote:Selby has won 3 World titles, 3 Masters titles, 2 UK titles, and 17 ranking titles in total. He beat Ronnie in World, UK, and Masters finals. He has made more than 600 century breaks, including 3 maximums. He's been at the top of the rankings 7 times.
Like him or not, he has done enough to be respected as one of the all-time greats.
Holden Chinaski wrote:I'd say peak level Judd would be a much better long potter, but that's it. In all other aspects, I'd say peak level Selby is better than Judd.
Holden Chinaski wrote:I'd say peak level Judd would be a much better long potter, but that's it. In all other aspects, I'd say peak level Selby is better than Judd.
Pink Ball wrote:“Oh brilliant, a Higgins-Selby final” said nobody ever.