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Acé wrote:Ali is overrated it's because he was the first relevant boxer to appear on the screen and a bit of a character so everyone was going gaga over him but he had to deal with the demands of the modern times he WOULD GET SMASHED OUT OFF THE RING

Sport always evolves, never devolves

Well said.

Ali gets recognized for being "The Greatest" because he labeled himself as such. Back in the 1970s, television was a very powerful and influential platform. Screaming "I am the greatest" into Howard Cosell's microphone and having Cosell and other sports writers advocating such nonsense, convinced a very large and casual fanbase that he was in fact "The Greatest". Very similar to a "TBE" moniker that has stuck with the casual fanbase.
When breaking down Ali's career, there were a lot of things that worked to his favor in order to (a) make a lot of money for a lot of people and (b) revive boxing from it's dormancy in the 1960s. Fixed fights with Liston, a win over an injured and much smaller Patterson, gift decisions versus Norton, Young, Shavers, and Chuvalo II, opponents who were often much smaller, all contributed greatly to his success.
Yes, he was a fast HW with a great chin. But, there were a lot of factors that led to his success and the media's love affair with Ali which helped seal his legacy.

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Acé wrote:Ali is overrated it's because he was the first relevant boxer to appear on the screen and a bit of a character so everyone was going gaga over him but he had to deal with the demands of the modern times he WOULD GET SMASHED OUT OFF THE RING

Sport always evolves, never devolves

Well said.

Looks like you found someone who's just as retarded as you.

Examples of sport evolving

Snooker: Davis > Hendry > Ronnie > Judd
Tennis: Laver > Borg > Sampras > Federer
Football: Pele > Maradonna > Messi
Boxing: Ali > Mike Tyson > Tyson Fury

Don't hate the player, hate the game

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Acé wrote:Ali is overrated it's because he was the first relevant boxer to appear on the screen and a bit of a character so everyone was going gaga over him but he had to deal with the demands of the modern times he WOULD GET SMASHED OUT OFF THE RING

Sport always evolves, never devolves

Well said.

Ali gets recognized for being "The Greatest" because he labeled himself as such. Back in the 1970s, television was a very powerful and influential platform. Screaming "I am the greatest" into Howard Cosell's microphone and having Cosell and other sports writers advocating such nonsense, convinced a very large and casual fanbase that he was in fact "The Greatest". Very similar to a "TBE" moniker that has stuck with the casual fanbase.
When breaking down Ali's career, there were a lot of things that worked to his favor in order to (a) make a lot of money for a lot of people and (b) revive boxing from it's dormancy in the 1960s. Fixed fights with Liston, a win over an injured and much smaller Patterson, gift decisions versus Norton, Young, Shavers, and Chuvalo II, opponents who were often much smaller, all contributed greatly to his success.
Yes, he was a fast HW with a great chin. But, there were a lot of factors that led to his success and the media's love affair with Ali which helped seal his legacy.

Fantastic post Johnny, agree with everything 1000%

Acé wrote:Boxing: Ali > Mike Tyson > Tyson Fury

Acé wrote:Boxing: Ali > Mike Tyson > Tyson Fury

Yes I agree. Ali was bigger than (>) Mike, and Mike was bigger than (>) Fury.

Let's talk in the Boxing thread.

Holden Chinaski wrote:Let's talk in the Boxing thread.

ok