Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Holden Chinaski wrote:

Johnny Bravo wrote:If u say u are a Tyson fan, then you know about all the stupid decisions he made in his life, the turmoils in his personal life and the way his career went downhill. With that in mind, it is only logical he never fulfilled his potential.

Yes of course I know and I agree. But Ali was better than Mike. Ali was even more talented and he was mentally much stronger. Mike was fantastic in his prime, but Ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time. And we didn't even see Ali fight in his real prime because of the conviction. Ali was just too good. Mike would say the same. Ali fought some of the best heavyweights ever, and always found a way to win. Mike has never beaten a fighter of the same level as a Frazier or a Foreman..

SnookerFan wrote:

Holden Chinaski wrote:

Johnny Bravo wrote:If u say u are a Tyson fan, then you know about all the stupid decisions he made in his life, the turmoils in his personal life and the way his career went downhill. With that in mind, it is only logical he never fulfilled his potential.

Yes of course I know and I agree. But Ali was better than Mike. Ali was even more talented and he was mentally much stronger. Mike was fantastic in his prime, but Ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time. And we didn't even see Ali fight in his real prime because of the conviction. Ali was just too good. Mike would say the same. Ali fought some of the best heavyweights ever, and always found a way to win. Mike has never beaten a fighter of the same level as a Frazier or a Foreman..

Or Buster Douglas.

Johnny Bravo wrote:Ali is indeed the greatest HW due to his achievements (especially those outside the ring), but prime vs prime, he'd get beat by the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, the Klitschko brothers and Bowe. Even the likes of Morrison and Ruddock stand a good chance of beating him.

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Holden Chinaski wrote:

Johnny Bravo wrote:Ali is indeed the greatest HW due to his achievements (especially those outside the ring), but prime vs prime, he'd get beat by the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, the Klitschko brothers and Bowe. Even the likes of Morrison and Ruddock stand a good chance of beating him.

Jesus Christ! Please never talk about boxing again. FFS.

Why not ?
I can back it with solid arguments. But I'll PM you instead of filling this thread with our debate.

SnookerFan wrote:Who was it, who kept saying that Rocky Marciano was the GOAT because he was undefeated?

Holden Chinaski wrote:

SnookerFan wrote:Who was it, who kept saying that Rocky Marciano was the GOAT because he was undefeated?

Vodkadiet

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Holden Chinaski wrote:"I like to think I'm a bad feather plucker, but that's where Ali overshines me. That's where he's better than me. Cause I can't understand a man that's willing to die for this." - Tyson

Tyson was an Ali fanboy since he was a kid. It's only logical he's not gonna be objective on this. And he surely won't put himself above his hero.

Johnny Bravo wrote:Ali is indeed the greatest HW due to his achievements (especially those outside the ring).

Alex0paul wrote:Trump has more Gibraltar Open titles than Hendry and O’Sullivan put together. He is the GOAT

Acé wrote:Doesn't matter Tyson Fury is heading towards GOAThood anyway once he clowns Wilder again then smacks up Joshua.

Cements himself as the GOAT after that.

Alex0paul wrote:So Judd Trump is the greatest boxer too?

Cloud Strife wrote:Will they have bog rolls at the Crucible?

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Holden Chinaski wrote:Johnny, everybody who understands boxing knows Ali was the best heavyweight. He was special, if you can't see that you need to learn more about boxing.
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Ali's greatest achievements were inside the ring. Tyson's greatest achievement is what he has done with his life these last years outside of the ring. Inside the ring, he was never able to fulfil his potential. Ali, on the other hand, fulfilled his potential and then some.

I agree that Tyson never fulfilled his potential. And I agree that Ali fulfilled his.
But prime vs prime, Ali is not the best HW. Not even close.
He is very overrated.
We'll talk some more in the boxing thread.