by Ash147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read
I know the idea of a weak player winning the World Championship might seem silly, but there have certainly been a few huge surprises over the years. Who do you think was the weakest player to be World Champion? This is post 1980, by the way.
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by TheRocket » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Has to be Johnson imo. Has done nothing apart from winning the World title in 1986. Ok, he's got to another final the next year but overall he's had pretty much a journeyman career.
The others have either got to more world finals (3 in the case of Dott) and/or won more other titles. Taylor won the Masters, Dott the China Open and he was Runner up in 7 other ranking event finals and Bingham is a 5 time ranking event winner.
So out of the 4 players Johnson is the closest to being a journeyman.
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by Johnny Bravo » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Taylor for me. I bucking hate him.
Bingham is the best of the lot.
1. Bingham
2. Dott
3. Johnson
4. Taylor
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by eraserhead » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Bingham's good on his day. Scores well and has a decent all round game. Like TheRocket said he's won multiple other events as well. That world championship run wasn't easy, beat Murphy, Trump, Ronnie and Dott. Deserves some credit for that.
I voted for JJ
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by Ash147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read
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by Ash147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read
I edited it purely because he’s had the easiest WC draw that I can think of.
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by Alex0paul » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Johnson
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by Johnny Bravo » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Ash147 wrote:I edited it purely because he’s had the easiest WC draw that I can think of.
That might be true, but he'd beat Johnson and Taylor every time, even if they were to play a million matches.
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by Andre147 » 05 Dec 2018 Read
Joe Johnson by quite some margin.
Irony being he was only 1 of 2 players who almost broke the Crucible Curse.
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by Ash147 » 06 Dec 2018 Read
Who else voted for Robertson?
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by Ash147 » 06 Dec 2018 Read
Johnny Bravo wrote:Ash147 wrote:I edited it purely because he’s had the easiest WC draw that I can think of.
That might be true, but he'd beat Johnson and Taylor every time, even if they were to play a million matches.
That’s a fair point, and you are correct.
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by The_Abbott » 06 Dec 2018 Read
Joe Johnson, although Bingham gets my vote because he used his "chicken dinner" phrase in his victory speech.
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by Dan-cat » 06 Dec 2018 Read
Johnson all day long. I liked him as a player though.
robbo shouldn't be on the list!
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by KrazeeEyezKilla » 06 Dec 2018 Read
I went with Dott. He's small so he's probably weaker than the others.
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by HappyCamper » 06 Dec 2018 Read
Dott may be small but it would be dangerous to assume any wee man from Easterhouse was weak.
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by KrazeeEyezKilla » 06 Dec 2018 Read
HappyCamper wrote:Dott may be small but it would be dangerous to assume any wee man from Easterhouse was weak.
True. I should have went with Robertson.
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by gallantrabbit » 06 Dec 2018 Read
After beating Ronnie, Judd and Murphy in style, Bingham shouldn't be anywhere near this list.
Johnson I guess although Taylor was a funny stabby kind of player. Very little flow.
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by kolompar » 07 Dec 2018 Read
Bingham and Johnson are around the same level, but Johnson proved his win was no fluke by getting to the final the next year while Bingham proved his win was. Bingham has only one quarter at the worlds apart from the fluke of 2015. All the others are multiple TC finalists and multiple world finalists apart from Robbo. Bingo won more than some of the others but that's simply because his peak years were in a weak era with a lot more tournaments.
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by Ash147 » 07 Dec 2018 Read
kolompar wrote:Bingham and Johnson are around the same level, but Johnson proved his win was no fluke by getting to the final the next year while Bingham proved his win was. Bingham has only one quarter at the worlds apart from the fluke of 2015. All the others are multiple TC finalists and multiple world finalists apart from Robbo. Bingo won more than some of the others but that's simply because his peak years were in a weak era with a lot more tournaments.
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by gallantrabbit » 08 Dec 2018 Read
kolompar wrote:Bingham and Johnson are around the same level, but Johnson proved his win was no fluke by getting to the final the next year while Bingham proved his win was. Bingham has only one quarter at the worlds apart from the fluke of 2015. All the others are multiple TC finalists and multiple world finalists apart from Robbo. Bingo won more than some of the others but that's simply because his peak years were in a weak era with a lot more tournaments.
Bingham's win was no fluke. He won three huge matches. You don't carry form like that over three sheffield matches. He has carried on well since. Miles in front of Johnson and Taylor.
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by kolompar » 08 Dec 2018 Read
Right, Bingham's an all time great because he won three matches.
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by gallantrabbit » 08 Dec 2018 Read
Who did he beat and who did JJ beat...?
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by Iranu » 08 Dec 2018 Read
To me, a journeyman is a player who regularly wins a few matches and may be a stalwart of last 32s and top 16s, and occasionally has a good run to a semi or a final.
There's a big gap between that and all-time greats, and Bingham is somewhere in that gap as a top player during this era having broken past the "journeyman barrier".
James Wattana wasn't a journeyman but he wasn't an all-time great either.
Acting like it's one or the other is a bit silly.
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by kolompar » 08 Dec 2018 Read
gallantrabbit wrote:Who did he beat and who did JJ beat...?
Johnson beat one of the greatest ever in a world final. Bingham beat Shaun Murphy.
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by Andre147 » 08 Dec 2018 Read
kolompar wrote:gallantrabbit wrote:Who did he beat and who did JJ beat...?
Johnson beat one of the greatest ever in a world final. Bingham beat Shaun Murphy.
And Bingham beat one of the greatest ever too in the Quarter-Finals... go figure...
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by kolompar » 08 Dec 2018 Read
We've seen in recent years that it's not really a big achievement to beat Ronnie at the worlds nowadays, let alone Trump...
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by gallantrabbit » 08 Dec 2018 Read
Johnson would have collapsed playing a left handed Ronnie...
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