Re: Betfred World Championship Final:Mark Selby v John Higgi
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Ayrshirebhoy - Posts: 964
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Ayrshirebhoy wrote:3210 posts. John Higgins truly is the GOAT!
Wildey wrote:what the buck is all this bullocks andre ronnie fans also think if you like say feral you can't be a snooker fan because he's slow.
what a load of bucking bullocks.
I'm sorry mate but it is fact most of that sort of idiotic bullocks unfortunately for Ronnie and most of his fans come from his hangers on of which there are a lot on this forum.
Andre147 wrote:Cloud Strife wrote:
Andre made a very fair point and I could absolutely see where he was coming from.
I mean who here has derided a person as not being a true snooker fan because they happen to have Selby, Higgins or Fergal O'Brien as their favourite player?
I've never seen it. Here or anywhere else for that matter.
And yet I've seen it plenty of times when Ronnie is concerned. His supporters regularly get labeled as casuals, fans who only appreciate a certain type of snooker. Ronnie fan first, snooker fan second or some other such nonsense. Basically, not true fans of snooker, in other words.
From my own point of view, I like fast, attacking snooker. I prefer players who play the way Ronnie does and I make no apologies for that. Of course in the eyes of some that would make me a casual, someone who is not a true snooker fan. Now flip that the other way round and I'd said I prefer the more tactical, grinding snooker with frames regularly lasting half an hour or more instead. Would I have had all those labels thrown at me? Not in a million years.
I mean I've seen many posts on here over the years saying how they enjoy tactical frames that go down to the colours, and how they find big breaks, one-visit snooker boring. Where is the consternation then? Why are these people not lambasted as casuals, not true fans of snooker? It never happens.
It's annoying, but that's just how it is I suppose. Snobbery and double standards exist everywhere.
This is precisely what I was trying to say and Wild failed or simply didnt want to understand.
He'll probably say Ronnie fans deserve what they get, but this like you say doesnt justify the double standards.
I dont lie, fast free flowing snooker is by far what I most enjoy, but also like the tactical side of the game, which according to them you cant be a true snooker fan because of that, which is just a load of bullocks.
Just wish some of those fans had the balls to admit they are like the others.
Wildey wrote:Ronnie's fans are their own worst enemy because they create this rift and when others bite back they dont like it
Pink Ball wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie's fans are their own worst enemy because they create this rift and when others bite back they dont like it
A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but saying that the people sneering at O'Sullivan are 'biting back' makes them sound a bit heroic.
Dicks being dicks to dicks are still dicks.
Wildey wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie's fans are their own worst enemy because they create this rift and when others bite back they dont like it
A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but saying that the people sneering at O'Sullivan are 'biting back' makes them sound a bit heroic.
Dicks being dicks to dicks are still dicks.
The point is the stick selby gets when hes winning is only equaled by the stick Trump gets or Robbo gets when they are winning.
there is a pattern here and facts states when fans of a certain rocket feels threatened in any way shape or form by another they hit out on here or social media.
and then it gets messy and mud slinging from all directions.
Selby v Higgins was worst possible final for some Now even Selby is in touching distance of 5 WC.
Wildey wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie's fans are their own worst enemy because they create this rift and when others bite back they dont like it
A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but saying that the people sneering at O'Sullivan are 'biting back' makes them sound a bit heroic.
Dicks being dicks to dicks are still dicks.
The point is the stick selby gets when hes winning is only equaled by the stick Trump gets or Robbo gets when they are winning.
there is a pattern here and facts states when fans of a certain rocket feels threatened in any way shape or form by another they hit out on here or social media.
and then it gets messy and mud slinging from all directions.
Selby v Higgins was worst possible final for some Now even Selby is in touching distance of 5 WC.
Pink Ball wrote:Wildey wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie's fans are their own worst enemy because they create this rift and when others bite back they dont like it
A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but saying that the people sneering at O'Sullivan are 'biting back' makes them sound a bit heroic.
Dicks being dicks to dicks are still dicks.
The point is the stick selby gets when hes winning is only equaled by the stick Trump gets or Robbo gets when they are winning.
there is a pattern here and facts states when fans of a certain rocket feels threatened in any way shape or form by another they hit out on here or social media.
and then it gets messy and mud slinging from all directions.
Selby v Higgins was worst possible final for some Now even Selby is in touching distance of 5 WC.
Disagree. O'Sullivan has always gotten the most stick at all times, no contest. Don't get me wrong, Selby gets a lot, but nothing compared to O'Sullivan.
Point is, it's nonsense to say that those fans who would love to roger O'Sullivan aren't proper snooker fans. Why aren't they? Do they just like O'Sullivan because he has nice hair? No, it's because they love his style of play. They are bucking idiots, but they're not non-snooker fans. They like seeing snooker played in a certain way, and while that doesn't sit well with you or I, they're entitled to their opinion.
Some fans on here sneer at that type of play and insist on safety and hour-long frames. A lot of those fans bask in Ronnie defeats, make little of his achievements, and little of similar-type players. But nobody calls them out. Surely they're as much non-fans as those Sullivan-loving basketcases if we're to be consistent about it? And they're not as few in number as you make out.
Dan-cat wrote:Robbinson employs various gamesmanship techniques.
Dan-cat wrote:Robbinson employs various gamesmanship techniques.
Wildey wrote:other players like selby gets stick for wanting to win a match at all cost or Robbo for coughing
Holden Chinaski wrote:O'Sullivan gets more stick than any other player... And his fans as well. Of course, Ronnie has a lot more fans than any other player, so there are going to be some hammer.s as well. But most Ronnie fans are real snooker fans.
All the greats are Ronnie fans as well. Mark Selby himself has said in interviews Ronnie was his hero when he was young. Selby was a Ronnie fan FFS!
If you like the game of snooker, how can you not love the way Ronnie plays? It's like loving classical music but hating Bach, Mozart and Beethoven.... and saying the people who love Bach are not real music lovers...
"Ronnie's the only player out there who I would pay money for to watch him play." - Stephen Hendry
I guess Mark Selby and Stephen Hendry aren't real snooker lovers. Ray Reardon isn't either.
Badsnookerplayer wrote:How the hell can you compare Bach with Mozart and Beethoven?
Bach composed during a much easier era and as such must be eliminated from ant GOAT discussion. That's the trouble with Mozart fans - they expect quickfire concerto's and exciting finishes. Just what do people have against Beethoven - I have heard people refer to him as a 'grinder' but he does what he needs to do to be No.1. There is no way that any of the modern composers could live with the 'golden generation'.
I think that Mozart vs Beethoven in the Vienna Open 1785 proved what we all know - that Mozart was Beethoven's bunny.
Pink Ball wrote:Clive Everton is a Ronnie fan, not a snooker fan.
Ronnie79 wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Clive Everton is a Ronnie fan, not a snooker fan.
Utter sh1te talk pinky. CE was the voice of the game love before ROS came along. He is a snooker fan through and through. The reason I think he favours ROS. CE has said they both battled depression so he has a lot of empathy for him