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Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Below is my proposal for a tournament that would find the iron player among all 128 tour players, the player who could survive a mental and physical feat of snooker far in excess of the strains of the world championship. My proposal is that the tournament is played in a 1 month period once every 5 years - this would allow most players to play in it twice during their career at the least.

First Group Stage

For the group stages I propose that the current 128 tour players are split into 16 groups of 8. In each of these groups each player should play each other member of that group in a best of 19 match - played in 8,11 session form frames. The top four players in each group should progress to the second group stage.

Second Group Stages

For the second group stage the top four players from each round one group should be seeded in the eight groups for the second matches. With two first placed players in each group, 2 second placed players in each groups, 2 third placed players in each group and two fourth placed players in each group. Each player should play each of player in their group in a best of 25 played in 8,8,9 session form. Each of the top 4 players from these groups should progress to the third group stage.

Third Group Stage

In the third group stage the 32 players who came in the top 4 of the second group stage would be seeded in the same form that they had in the previous round to eight groups of four. The top two players (16 total) should progress to the knock out stage of the tournament. Each of the round robin matches in this game should be played as a best of 35 in 11,11,13 session form.

Last 16: Best of 55 over 5 11 frame sessions.
Quarter Finals Best of 69 over 11,11,11,11,11,14 session form
Semi-Finals Best of 83 over 11,11,11,11,11,11,1
Finals Best of 99 over 9 11 frame sessions

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Roland

You think that could be played in a month? More like 5 years. Not to mention the number of 2 session dead games which would have to be played. Nice try though.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Roland wrote:You think that could be played in a month? More like 5 years. Not to mention the number of 2 session dead games which would have to be played. Nice try though.


Actually, I do. Obviously the group matches would need to be played in large facilities with ample tables.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

A theoretical way that the matches could be played within just over the month allotted. It would require a few modifications. The second group round would need to be cut to two session matches, so I'd propose a round of best of 25s, played 12,13.

Round One
Played in a 32 table facility. With tables set in to two sections of 16 each playing the same match from each of the 16 groups.
Day 1
7am -
Section 1 - A v B 1st Session
Section 2 - C v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v F 1st Session
Section 2 - G v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v B 2nd Session
Section 2 - C v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - G v H 2nd Session

Day 2
7am -
Section 1 - A v C 1st Session
Section 2 - B v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v G 1st Session
Section 2 - F v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v C 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 3
7am -
Section 1 - F v G 1st Session
Section 2 - E v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v D 1st Session
Section 2 - C v B 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - F v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - E v H 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 4
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 5
7am -
Section 1 - A v F 1st Session
Section 2 - B v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - C v G 1st Session
Section 2 - D v E 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v E 2nd Session

Day 6
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 7
7am -
Section 1 - C v E 1st Session
Section 2 - D v F 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v H 1st Session
Section 2 - B v G 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v F 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v H 2nd Session

Day 8
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Round Two
Played in a 32 table facility. With tables set in to two sections of 16 each playing the same match from each of the 16 groups. Rest day between group stages for recuperation.
Day 10
7am -
Section 1 - A v B 1st Session
Section 2 - C v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v F 1st Session
Section 2 - G v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v B 2nd Session
Section 2 - C v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - G v H 2nd Session

Day 11
7am -
Section 1 - A v C 1st Session
Section 2 - B v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v G 1st Session
Section 2 - F v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v C 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 12
7am -
Section 1 - F v G 1st Session
Section 2 - E v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v D 1st Session
Section 2 - C v B 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - F v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - E v H 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 13
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 14
7am -
Section 1 - A v F 1st Session
Section 2 - B v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - C v G 1st Session
Section 2 - D v E 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v E 2nd Session

Day 15
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 16
7am -
Section 1 - C v E 1st Session
Section 2 - D v F 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v H 1st Session
Section 2 - B v G 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v F 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v H 2nd Session

Day 17
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Round Three

Day 18
- Played in a 8 table set up split into two sections of 8
7am
A v B 1st Session
11am
C v D 1st Session
3pm
A v B 2nd Session
7pm
C v D 2nd Session

Day 19
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
A v B 3rd Session
11am
C v D 3rd Session
3pm
B v C 1st Session
7pm
A v D 1st Session

Day 20
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
B v C 2rd Session
11am
A v D 2nd Session
3pm
B v C 3rd Session
7pm
A v D 3rd Session

Day 20
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
A v C 1st Session
11am
B v D 1st Session
3pm
A v C 2nd Session
7pm
B v D 3rd Session

Day 21
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
3pm
A v C 3rd Session
7pm
B v D 1st Session

Last 16
The last 16 should be played over 4 tables.

Day 22
7am
4 Last 16 matches Session 1
11am
4 Last 16 matches Session 1
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 2
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 2

Day 23
7am
4 Last 16 matches Session 3
11am
4 Last 16 matches Session 3
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 4
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 4

Day 24
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 5
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 5

Quarter Finals

Day 25
7am
2 QF Matches Session 1
11am
2 QF Matches Session 1
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 2
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 2

Day 26
7am
2 QF Matches Session 3
11am
2 QF Matches Session 3
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 4
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 4

Day 27
7am
2 QF Matches Session 5
11am
2 QF Matches Session 5
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 6
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 6

Semi Finals

Day 28
7am SF1 Session 1
11am SF2 Session 1
3pm SF1 Session 2
7pm SF2 Session 2

Day 29
7am SF1 Session 3
11am SF2 Session 3
3pm SF1 Session 4
7pm SF2 Session 4

Day 30
7am SF1 Session 5
11am SF2 Session 5
3pm SF1 Session 6
7pm SF2 Session 6

Final

Day 31
9am Final Session 1
1pm Final Session 2
7pm Final Session 3

Day 32
9am Final Session 4
1pm Final Session 5
7pm Final Session 6

Day 32
9am Final Session 7
1pm Final Session 8
7pm Final Session 9

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Wildey

listen thats a ludicrous suggestion in the real word and very unrealistic. TV Companies wont entertain that in a fit.

im seriously considering moving this thread to the junk yard before everyone thinks we condone nutters.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Roland

AC or LT? wrote:A theoretical way that the matches could be played within just over the month allotted. It would require a few modifications. The second group round would need to be cut to two session matches, so I'd propose a round of best of 25s, played 12,13.

Round One
Played in a 32 table facility. With tables set in to two sections of 16 each playing the same match from each of the 16 groups.
Day 1
7am -
Section 1 - A v B 1st Session
Section 2 - C v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v F 1st Session
Section 2 - G v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v B 2nd Session
Section 2 - C v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - G v H 2nd Session

Day 2
7am -
Section 1 - A v C 1st Session
Section 2 - B v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v G 1st Session
Section 2 - F v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v C 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 3
7am -
Section 1 - F v G 1st Session
Section 2 - E v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v D 1st Session
Section 2 - C v B 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - F v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - E v H 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 4
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 5
7am -
Section 1 - A v F 1st Session
Section 2 - B v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - C v G 1st Session
Section 2 - D v E 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v E 2nd Session

Day 6
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 7
7am -
Section 1 - C v E 1st Session
Section 2 - D v F 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v H 1st Session
Section 2 - B v G 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v F 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v H 2nd Session

Day 8
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Round Two
Played in a 32 table facility. With tables set in to two sections of 16 each playing the same match from each of the 16 groups. Rest day between group stages for recuperation.
Day 10
7am -
Section 1 - A v B 1st Session
Section 2 - C v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v F 1st Session
Section 2 - G v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v B 2nd Session
Section 2 - C v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - G v H 2nd Session

Day 11
7am -
Section 1 - A v C 1st Session
Section 2 - B v D 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - E v G 1st Session
Section 2 - F v H 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v C 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v D 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 12
7am -
Section 1 - F v G 1st Session
Section 2 - E v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v D 1st Session
Section 2 - C v B 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - F v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - E v H 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - E v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - F v H 2nd Session

Day 13
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 14
7am -
Section 1 - A v F 1st Session
Section 2 - B v H 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - C v G 1st Session
Section 2 - D v E 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - A v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v G 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v E 2nd Session

Day 15
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Day 16
7am -
Section 1 - C v E 1st Session
Section 2 - D v F 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v H 1st Session
Section 2 - B v G 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v F 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - C v F 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v H 2nd Session

Day 17
7am -
Section 1 - C v H 1st Session
Section 2 - D v G 1st session
11am -
Section 1 - A v E 1st Session
Section 2 - B v F 1st Session
3pm -
Section 1 - C v H 2nd Session
Section 2 - D v G 2nd session
7pm
Section 1 - A v E 2nd Session
Section 2 - B v F 2nd Session

Round Three

Day 18
- Played in a 8 table set up split into two sections of 8
7am
A v B 1st Session
11am
C v D 1st Session
3pm
A v B 2nd Session
7pm
C v D 2nd Session

Day 19
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
A v B 3rd Session
11am
C v D 3rd Session
3pm
B v C 1st Session
7pm
A v D 1st Session

Day 20
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
B v C 2rd Session
11am
A v D 2nd Session
3pm
B v C 3rd Session
7pm
A v D 3rd Session

Day 20
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
7am
A v C 1st Session
11am
B v D 1st Session
3pm
A v C 2nd Session
7pm
B v D 3rd Session

Day 21
- Played in a 8 table set up sp
3pm
A v C 3rd Session
7pm
B v D 1st Session

Last 16
The last 16 should be played over 4 tables.

Day 22
7am
4 Last 16 matches Session 1
11am
4 Last 16 matches Session 1
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 2
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 2

Day 23
7am
4 Last 16 matches Session 3
11am
4 Last 16 matches Session 3
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 4
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 4

Day 24
3pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 5
7pm
4 Last 16 Matches Session 5

Quarter Finals

Day 25
7am
2 QF Matches Session 1
11am
2 QF Matches Session 1
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 2
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 2

Day 26
7am
2 QF Matches Session 3
11am
2 QF Matches Session 3
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 4
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 4

Day 27
7am
2 QF Matches Session 5
11am
2 QF Matches Session 5
3pm
2 QF Matches Session 6
7pm
2 QF Matches Session 6

Semi Finals

Day 28
7am SF1 Session 1
11am SF2 Session 1
3pm SF1 Session 2
7pm SF2 Session 2

Day 29
7am SF1 Session 3
11am SF2 Session 3
3pm SF1 Session 4
7pm SF2 Session 4

Day 30
7am SF1 Session 5
11am SF2 Session 5
3pm SF1 Session 6
7pm SF2 Session 6

Final

Day 31
9am Final Session 1
1pm Final Session 2
7pm Final Session 3

Day 32
9am Final Session 4
1pm Final Session 5
7pm Final Session 6

Day 32
9am Final Session 7
1pm Final Session 8
7pm Final Session 9


:D

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Wildey wrote:listen thats a ludicrous suggestion in the real word and very unrealistic. TV Companies wont entertain that in a fit.

im seriously considering moving this thread to the junk yard before everyone thinks we condone nutters.


They probably wouldn't entertain the idea if this was a yearly ranking event however as once every 5 year event it would possibly be entertained. They'd have a great deal of flexibility in what and when they show matches, no-ones got to expect simultaneous streaming of all matches in the tournament, maybe one or two matches at a time streamed on Eurosport or BBC Red Button. They'd be able to fit it in around other sports, so the dead patches in their schedules could easily be filled whilst still showing over sports, even more-so if it was played in the far-east/Australasia as it would go overnight mainly,

I'm sure that as long as they were adequately compensated most players would relish the opportunity to play in a tournament - especially if in group stages they were paid per match won - of this nature given there being so few long-format events these days. You'd obviously need to clear a good few weeks either side of the tournament to allow them to prepare for and recover from the pure physical amount of exertion the tournament would require - but that's the point it'd be like snookers equivalent of the 100 mile race or the Ironman triathlon.

The biggest problem would be securing World Snookers backing and the sponsorship funding to hold it.

I think it's fairly clear that this my suggestion and not one endorsed by the site, moving it to the junkyard be a tad OTT imho.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Cloud Strife

AC or LT? wrote:
Roland wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
:D


It really would be snooker fans and players dream tournament.


I would love to see an event like this come to fruition.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Cloud Strife wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
Roland wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
:D


It really would be snooker fans and players dream tournament.


I would love to see an event like this come to fruition.


Finally, someone who isn't dismissing the entire thing immediately because it's a bit on the long side..

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Cloud Strife

AC or LT? wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
Roland wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
:D


It really would be snooker fans and players dream tournament.


I would love to see an event like this come to fruition.


Finally, someone who isn't dismissing the entire thing immediately because it's a bit on the long side..


That it is on the long side is what I like about your concept. It is unique, that's for sure. And if you hold it every four or five years there's no possibility of it becoming old and tiresome.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Andre147

I would like to see it happening, but the chances of it happening are one in a billion so it will never happen. TV isn't interesed in this kind of tournaments, the long formats are a rarety these days so as I said it won't ever happen. But, good idea nevertheless.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Cloud Strife wrote:That it is on the long side is what I like about your concept. It is unique, that's for sure. And if you hold it every four or five years there's no possibility of it becoming old and tiresome.


I suppose we could hold it in World Cup years to give sane people an alternative.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Andre147 wrote:I would like to see it happening, but the chances of it happening are one in a billion so it will never happen. TV isn't interesed in this kind of tournaments, the long formats are a rarety these days so as I said it won't ever happen. But, good idea nevertheless.


TV don't necessarily need to be interested, just a sponsor. It could be streamed on-line for the most part of the group stages - treat as a sort of qualifying stage.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby Wildey

AC or LT? wrote:
Andre147 wrote:I would like to see it happening, but the chances of it happening are one in a billion so it will never happen. TV isn't interesed in this kind of tournaments, the long formats are a rarety these days so as I said it won't ever happen. But, good idea nevertheless.


TV don't necessarily need to be interested, just a sponsor. It could be streamed on-line for the most part of the group stages - treat as a sort of qualifying stage.

Sponsors need TV Exposure.

they need to sell a product.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby AC or LT?

Wildey wrote:
AC or LT? wrote:
Andre147 wrote:I would like to see it happening, but the chances of it happening are one in a billion so it will never happen. TV isn't interesed in this kind of tournaments, the long formats are a rarety these days so as I said it won't ever happen. But, good idea nevertheless.


TV don't necessarily need to be interested, just a sponsor. It could be streamed on-line for the most part of the group stages - treat as a sort of qualifying stage.

Sponsors need TV Exposure.

they need to sell a product.


How are the 1980s, Wild? Put a time capsule near London bridge for us will you.

These days they can get serious exposure online through the Live Streaming, the some televised matches that would be necessary - even if that was a quarter of the sessions it'd still be a big base for advertising. The could also pull a deal with World Snooker and the hosting tv channel with regards to website and partner website advertising. They could still pull in a lot.

Re: Iron Player Tournament Suggestion

Postby gcjdavid

It would be nice to spread this event over 2/3/4 years. It could also be an invitational tournament letting everyone in the top 64 participate to make the event less costly. It would be too tiring to hold it within one month. Some players might die because of the exhaustion.

It depends on Barry Hearn if he actually wants the event. Otherwise, modifying the initial idea to find the viewers' palates would be the best, just like how they should mod the UKC back to the original version of main draw and qualifying.