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Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

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Friday 30th of May~Tuesday 3rd of June at the Capital Venue, Gloucester

In its 4th year previously won by Stuart Bingham, Barry Hawkins and last year Marco Fu. Stuart Bingham and Barry Hawkins is there again this year but defending Champion Marco Fu and World Champion Mark Selby has decided not to enter but before we get to Bendigo 112 players will be in Gloucester trying to book one of 16 places in the Draw.

In round 1 a mixture of experience players like David Grace, Alex Borg, Chris Norbury and Barry Pinches along with new tour Professionals Zak Surety, Steven Hallworth, Lu Ning, Oliver Lines, Zhou Yuelong, Lu Chenwei plus top up players from Q School order of merit that includes former main tour players Paul Davison, Adam Duffy, Daniel Wells and Sean O'Sullivan.

Joining the action in round 2 will be the likes of Aditya Mehta, Cao Yupeng, Dave Harold, Jamie Burnett, Lyu Haotian, Jack Lisowski, Joe Swail, Kyren Wilson, Nigel Bond, Luca Brecel and the Legend that is Jimmy White.

In round 3 the 32 winners in round 2 will play each other down to 16 players to go in to the 4th round draw.

And in round 4 Liang Wenbo, Kurt Maflin, Dominic Dale, Alan McManus, Martin Gould, Fergal O'Brien and Former World Champions Ken Doherty and Peter Ebdon enter the competition.

Who will make the trip to Australia?

DRAW

ORDER OF PLAY

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Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby bluelagoon

Why is there an amateur match (Sanderson Lam vs. Joe Roberts) in Qual round 1?

With more than 32 pros in Qual Round 1 it should have been possible to make sure that every amateur is matched with a pro.

Is there a logic reason?

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

bluelagoon wrote:Why is there an amateur match (Sanderson Lam vs. Joe Roberts) in Qual round 1?

With more than 32 pros in Qual Round 1 it should have been possible to make sure that every amateur is matched with a pro.

Is there a logic reason?

they made the draw too early and penciled in a Q School qualifier v top up player.

at the time it seemed odd with pro v pro already in the draw but now it looks a bit pathetic if im honest

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

Wildey wrote:
bluelagoon wrote:Why is there an amateur match (Sanderson Lam vs. Joe Roberts) in Qual round 1?

With more than 32 pros in Qual Round 1 it should have been possible to make sure that every amateur is matched with a pro.

Is there a logic reason?

they made the draw too early and penciled in a Q School qualifier v top up player.

at the time it seemed odd with pro v pro already in the draw but now it looks a bit pathetic if im honest

It is 56 v 52 on the Q school rankings too.

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

Strange Draw for the first Round of the Australian Open where you got Sanderson Lam no 56 on the Q School top up rankings playing Joe Roberts who is 52 on the Top up Rankings. But not only that you got Zak Surety v Steven Hallworth which are both 1st year professionals but not only that both Qualified on to the tour through the EBSA Amateur cup. And then in another Match you got Michael Wasley a last 16 player at the recent World Championship playing Craig Steadman who reached the last 16 of the China Open last season.

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

JDM375 wrote:Surely WS should have assured pros would have been seeded in every match, it was always likely that Q school qualifiers may give this a miss.

there was Q School qualifiers like Steadman, Highfield and Leslie who has been drawn against Wasley, Chis Norbury and Hammad Miah

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

Another thing that's ridiculous about how players loose all their ranking points after a 2 year period after being so close to the top 64.


in this tournament you got players like John Astley, Lyu Haotian, Stuart Carrington and Alex Davies Entering the tournament in the second round and Scott Donaldson despite having 31,000 more money points than Astley and finished in 65th spot has to play in the first round.

don't understand players losing the points they earned.

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby fridge46

Wildey wrote:Another thing that's ridiculous about how players loose all their ranking points after a 2 year period after being so close to the top 64.


in this tournament you got players like John Astley, Lyu Haotian, Stuart Carrington and Alex Davies Entering the tournament in the second round and Scott Donaldson despite having 31,000 more money points than Astley and finished in 65th spot has to play in the first round.

don't understand players losing the points they earned.


I agree, they should keep their points/money.

Take Scott Donaldson for example, according to my maths, if he had kept his money, he would provisionally be 62nd (£48,213), £2,200 ahead of 65th (which would be Sam Baird on £45,993). Instead its going to take him the best part of 2 years to get inside the top 64 again.

Hopefully this will change in future.

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

Keep their money but give them a 1 year card, or get the chance to start on zero with a two year card? Players choice but too much common sense for WS, mind your there probably would be some unhappy first year pros as it would harder for them to get seeded if they get say 30-35k in their first year, but they should get seeded after a couple of revisions and players not entering.

Seems like a fair compromise to me. David Grace and Tony Drago would have taken the two year but no money, whilst Donaldson (ranked 49th on the one year money list last year) could have been an outsider for a 32 berth with a deep run aided by being Seeded for draws (plus the dropping of his poor 12/13 season), now he is unseeded and under-pressure for 2016 tour survival already. He won't be seeded for a while yet either unless he goes really deep in an early ranker. Q School winners get a two year card start on zero whatever.

This looks a bit a mess at the moment, not many "new" players did well last season.

A two year ranking is much fairer than a one year one, but there are areas where it can improve and not won over by the money list yet, may take time getting used to it! The moneylist works for the PTC order of merit but when you have 100k points for winning the PTC finals and only 41,677 for winning at Goldfields it does throw up some anomalies.

In fact only reaching the World Champ final, winning the UK or international has a greater points/money tariff than winning a best of 7 tournament, yes I know this many to convince higher ranked players to play in more PTCs in deveopling nations, but why does the runner up only get 38k? Winning a best of 7 albeit a final worth 62k? Bit odd. A runner up should get at least half the points a winner of the ranking tournament gets.

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

Friday 30th of May

10am

Sanderson Lam v Joe Roberts
Liu Chuang v George Pragnall
David Grace v Nico Elton
Michael Wasley v Craig Steadman streaming
Zak Surety v Steven Hallworth
Ryan Clark v Lu Ning
Alex Borg v Shane Castle
Andrew Norman v Oliver Brown streaming

2.30pm

Scott Donaldson v Saqib Nasir
Lee Page v Michael Tomlinson
Elliot Slessor v Sydney Wilson streaming
Cao Xin Long v Adam Duffy
Alexander Ursenbacher v Martin O'Donnell
Oliver Lines v Paul S Davidson streaming
James Cahill v Wang ZePeng

7pm

Ian Burns v Alex Pagulayan
Lee Walker v John Sutton
Andrew Pagett v Matthew Day streaming
Ratchayothin Yotharuck scr Adam Bobat w/o
Vinnie Calabrese v William Lemons
Fraser Patrick v Zhou Yuelong streaming
Lyu Chenwei v Ashley Carty
Hammad Miah v Michael Leslie
Sam Baird v Craig Barber

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Adan

Grace lossing against Elton and Chuang against Pragnall sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better an open system like tennis, with ranked players making the tournaments and the others being able to play PTC's or so to get points. Q-School could be kind of tournaments for players not ranked between the top 100 to earn points.

I don't exactly see the point of this system with 128 players if they aren't playing all the tournaments

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

10am

Sanderson Lam 5-3 Joe Roberts
Liu Chuang 4-5 George Pragnall
David Grace 1-5 Nico Elton
Michael Wasley 1-5 Craig Steadman
Zak Surety 4-5 Steven Hallworth
Ryan Clark 1-5 Lu Ning
Alex Borg 3-5 Shane Castle
Andrew Norman 3-5 Oliver Brown

Wins for amateurs Lam, Pragnall, Elton, Castle and Brown. Hallworth finished off the battle of the new pros with a 114 break in the decider. Every seeded player lost (Joe Roberts had a higher Q school order of merit than Lam).

2.30pm

Scott Donaldson v Saqib Nasir
Lee Page v Michael Tomlinson
Elliot Slessor v Sydney Wilson streaming
Cao Xin Long v Adam Duffy
Alexander Ursenbacher v Martin O'Donnell
Oliver Lines v Paul S Davidson streaming
James Cahill v Wang ZePeng

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby PoolBoy

It's a it like non-league teams beating league sides in the FA Cup!
What's the furthest an amateur has ever reached in a ranking event?
(I'm aware Ju Reti actually won an Asian PTC last season.)

The term 'ranking event' in snooker has become a bit blurred with all the PTC's and the Tour Finals themselves awarding 2000 and 3000 points, respectively.

But, for me, a 'major' ranking tournament is a 5000 pts.
With other events worth 7000 and even 8000, some 'majors' are more major than others!

I don't know the answer to my query...I hope I've not over-looked someone obvious!

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby fridge46

SteveJJ wrote:Didn't Ding win the Chinese Open as a wildcard amateur?


yes and no.... He did win the 2005 China Open as a wildcard, but he was actually a professional at the time. He withdrew from the qualifiers to play as a wildcard at the venue. From what I remember, he didnt get ranking points (not sure about money though)

EDIT: according to Chris Turner's Snooker Archive, he didnt receive money either

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

Scott Donaldson 5-0 Saqib Nasir
Lee Page 2-3 Michael Tomlinson
Elliot Slessor 5-2 Sydney Wilson streaming
Cao Xin Long 1-4 Adam Duffy
Alexander Ursenbacher 2-2 Martin O'Donnell
Oliver Lines 4-2 Paul S Davidson streaming
James Cahill 5-1 Wang ZePeng

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

2.30pm

Scott Donaldson 5-0 Saqib Nasir
Lee Page 3-5 Michael Tomlinson
Elliot Slessor 5-2 Sydney Wilson
Cao Xin Long 2-5 Adam Duffy
Alexander Ursenbacher 5-4 Martin O'Donnell
Oliver Lines 5-2 Paul S Davidson
James Cahill 5-1 Wang ZePeng

Tomlinson and Duffy win form at amatuers, whilst new pro Oliver Lines is two out of two and joins his father in the second round. Ursenbacher come through his second lengthy 5-4 win in two days.

7pm

Ian Burns 0-0 Alex Pagulayan
Lee Walker 1-0 John Sutton
Andrew Pagett 0-1 Matthew Day streaming
Ratchayothin Yotharuck scr Adam Bobat w/o
Vinnie Calabrese 2-0 William Lemons
Fraser Patrick 0-0 Zhou Yuelong streaming
Lyu Chenwei 0-1 Ashley Carty
Hammad Miah 1-0 Michael Leslie
Sam Baird 1-0 Craig Barber

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby Wildey

Ian Burns 1-0 Alex Pagulayan
Lee Walker 1-0 John Sutton
Andrew Pagett 0-1 Matthew Day
Vinnie Calabrese 2-0 William Lemons
Fraser Patrick 0-1 Zhou Yuelong
Lyu Chenwei 0-1 Ashley Carty
Hammad Miah 1-0 Michael Leslie
Sam Baird 2-0 Craig Barber

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

Ian Burns 2-1 Alex Pagulayan
Lee Walker 1-2 John Sutton
Andrew Pagett 2-2 Matthew Day
Vinnie Calabrese 2-2 William Lemons
Fraser Patrick 0-4 Zhou Yuelong
Lyu Chenwei 1-2 Ashley Carty
Hammad Miah 2-1 Michael Leslie
Sam Baird 3-1 Craig Barber

Re: Australian Goldfields Open Qualifying Discussion !!!

Postby JDM375

Ian Burns 5-1 Alex Pagulayan
Lee Walker 4-2 John Sutton
Andrew Pagett 5-2 Matthew Day
Vinnie Calabrese 4-5 William Lemons
Fraser Patrick 0-5 Zhou Yuelong
Lyu Chenwei 3-5 Ashley Carty
Hammad Miah 4-3 Michael Leslie
Sam Baird 5-1 Craig Barber


   

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