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by Wildey » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Saturday 29th of March
7pm
Gerard Greene v Barry Hawkins
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by SnookerFan » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Come on Greene.
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by SnookerFan » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Big win for Greene, beating Marco Fu.
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by Andy Spark » 29 Mar 2014 Read
World number 66 Gerard Greene getting to the final here and last time they had best of 7's all the way to final in a full ranker world number 71 Aditya Mehta got to the final. How many other full rankers have we had players outside the top 64 getting to the final? I'd say the "cream rising to the top" case well and truly proven.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
I see Andy Sparks was quicker than me
Wanted to write basically the same thing
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by Andy Spark » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:I see Andy Sparks was quicker than me
Wanted to write basically the same thing
Oh sorry Overdrive, but remember great minds think alike.
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by Andy Spark » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:I expect a Greene - Mehta World final this year...
I will give you odds of 25 billion to one and make it clear that I am willing to enter into legal relations.
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by Roland » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Apparently the difference between Greene winning and losing this best of 7 is either being 62 or 41 on the money list rankings.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Sonny wrote:Apparently the difference between Greene winning and losing this best of 7 is either being 62 or 41 on the money list rankings.
That's incorrect.
With the old rankings he was No. 69 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 59
With the money rankings he was No. 68 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 21!
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Sonny wrote:Apparently the difference between Greene winning and losing this best of 7 is either being 62 or 41 on the money list rankings.
That's incorrect.
With the old rankings he was No. 69 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 59
With the money rankings he was No. 68 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 21!
Massive diference that is, almost into the top 16, that is just insane!
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by Roland » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Ok then what's the difference between potential runner-up and winner as it stands?
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by Wildey » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Andy Spark wrote:World number 66 Gerard Greene getting to the final here and last time they had best of 7's all the way to final in a full ranker world number 71 Aditya Mehta got to the final. How many other full rankers have we had players outside the top 64 getting to the final? I'd say the "cream rising to the top" case well and truly proven.
You will always get freak results no matter if its best of 7s, best of 9s with 2 session finals. Jamie Burnett reached his first Final in 2010 and Andrew Higginson was ranked about 100 when he almost won the Welsh Open in 2007 and thoes was not best of 7s.
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by Wildey » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Andre147 PGC wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:Sonny wrote:Apparently the difference between Greene winning and losing this best of 7 is either being 62 or 41 on the money list rankings.
That's incorrect.
With the old rankings he was No. 69 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 59
With the money rankings he was No. 68 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 21!
Massive diference that is, almost into the top 16, that is just insane!
Thats why Money Rankings is not a true indication of who the best players are
Thank you Gerard Greene for proving my point
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Wildey wrote:Andy Spark wrote:World number 66 Gerard Greene getting to the final here and last time they had best of 7's all the way to final in a full ranker world number 71 Aditya Mehta got to the final. How many other full rankers have we had players outside the top 64 getting to the final? I'd say the "cream rising to the top" case well and truly proven.
You will always get freak results no matter if its best of 7s, best of 9s with 2 session finals. Jamie Burnett reached his first Final in 2010 and Andrew Higginson was ranked about 100 when he almost won the Welsh Open in 2007 and thoes was not best of 7s.
But the more Best of 7s and short formats there is, the more chances we get to see some freak results, short formats have always proved that.
Even though most of the PTCs have been won by top players, this shorter formats as I said do increase the odds of that happening.
It's a lot harder for a player in Greene's class to win a tournament such as the UK Champs, that is a diferent ball game.
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Wildey wrote:Andre147 PGC wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:Sonny wrote:Apparently the difference between Greene winning and losing this best of 7 is either being 62 or 41 on the money list rankings.
That's incorrect.
With the old rankings he was No. 69 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 59
With the money rankings he was No. 68 before the tournament started and should he win it, it would take him up to No. 21!
Massive diference that is, almost into the top 16, that is just insane!
Thats why Money Rankings is not a true indication of who the best players are
Thank you Gerard Greene for proving my point
Well in Ronnie's case it does prove he's up there with the best, and when he plays he truly is currently.
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by Roland » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Let's face it, if Greene is aware of all this and still wins then you have to take your hat off to him for the bottle shown. I make Hawkins strong favourite.
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Sonny wrote:Let's face it, if Greene is aware of all this and still wins then you have to take your hat off to him for the bottle shown. I make Hawkins strong favourite.
I won't say strong favourite, Allen and Fu also were and look at what happened.
But one thing is for sure, the fact he's into his first ever ranking final and the fact he'll be battling for that top prize and his first ranking title will put alot more pressure on Gerard, something that does not happen with Hawkins.
I also think Hawkins will win, but I think it will be close, possibly a decider.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Sonny wrote:Ok then what's the difference between potential runner-up and winner as it stands?
If Greene loses tonight he'll rise to No. 42 in the money rankings and No. 60 in the "old" rankings.
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by Roland » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Ok then when I said 62 and 41 I obviously misremembered what I read by 20
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by Wildey » 29 Mar 2014 Read
I think the Ranking points allocation is Wrong but so is Money and This tournament proves it.
The winner here gets £15,000 more Money points than the Winner in China but Points wise gets 4,000 less points.
its absurd
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
The money rankings aren't as fair and balanced as we would like them to be. Should Greene win, he would nearly be in the top 16 but once these points come off again, he'll be in danger of dropping off the tour.
But I'm not saying the current system is perfect, far from it.
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by Roland » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Well it's not really Wild. If you think about it, Hearn has always wanted emphasis on the PTC series to make sure all players are incentivised to take part in the best of 7 three day events which take place at new locations across Europe and Asia. He said or JF said somewhere that any extra prize money on tour would be prioritised in the PTC grand finals.
I am surprised at the huge difference between winner and runner-up but overall I have no issue with it.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Wildey wrote:I think the Ranking points allocation is Wrong but so is Money and This tournament proves it.
The winner here gets £15,000 more Money points than the Winner in China but Points wise gets 4,000 less points.
its absurd
Yeah, I fully agree. I made a lengthy post in the tour logistics topic on this issue a couple months ago. This is just one example and there are many more...
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Nevertheless the money rankings for me is the way forward, and like any system it isn't perfect and needs sorting out so I think those problems or at least some of those will be taken into consideration for the future.
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by Wildey » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Sonny wrote:Well it's not really Wild. If you think about it, Hearn has always wanted emphasis on the PTC series to make sure all players are incentivised to take part in the best of 7 three day events which take place at new locations across Europe and Asia. He said or JF said somewhere that any extra prize money on tour would be prioritised in the PTC grand finals.
I am surprised at the huge difference between winner and runner-up but overall I have no issue with it.
If that's the case why didn't he make the PTC Grand Finals in line with the Other ranking events regarding points in the last 4 years?
Winner 7,000
Runner up 5,600
Semi Finals 4,800
Quarter Finals 3,500
Last 16 2,660
Last 32 1,960
instead of the poor relation Ranking point wise
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by Andre147 » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Anyway, Final about to start.
Honestly don't care who wins, as long as it is a good one.
Well maybe having said that just favour Greene a tad as it would be his first ever ranking title, but I'll be happy the same way if Hawkins wins it.
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by Skullman » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Snooker time. Hoping for a real scrap filled with drama, because if it's an open match, Hawkins will win easily.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 29 Mar 2014 Read
Andre147 PGC wrote:Anyway, Final about to start.
Honestly don't care who wins, as long as it is a good one.
Well maybe having said that just favour Greene a tad as it would be his first ever ranking title, but I'll be happy the same way if Hawkins wins it.
Same here. I would like to see someone like Greene have his big moment but I also would like to see Hawkins win another ranking event, I like his style and he's a model professional...
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