by Casey » 05 May 2012 Read
Some might not have expected me to route for Ronnie to win the final, but I can put my own thoughts to one side for the sake of this tournament.
Ronnie must beat Carter for the integrity of the tournament – enough said.
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by Witz78 » 05 May 2012 Read
Casey wrote:Some might not have expected me to route for Ronnie to win the final, but I can put my own thoughts to one side for the sake of this tournament.
Ronnie must beat Carter for the integrity of the tournament – enough said.
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by SnookerFan » 05 May 2012 Read
Casey wrote:Some might not have expected me to route for Ronnie to win the final, but I can put my own thoughts to one side for the sake of this tournament.
Ronnie must beat Carter for the integrity of the tournament – enough said.
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by Witz78 » 05 May 2012 Read
SnookerFan wrote:Casey wrote:Some might not have expected me to route for Ronnie to win the final, but I can put my own thoughts to one side for the sake of this tournament.
Ronnie must beat Carter for the integrity of the tournament – enough said.
and i presume we can expect that youll be lending your support to that fellow CDL then
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by jojo » 05 May 2012 Read
case you know i got no gripe with you pal but you support higgins and then bring in integrity something not right here
as for the final i been saying since february march ronnie will win this title but if carter win then i give him respect he will deserve it
higgins doesnt win pretty most of the time his style of play and demeanour is dull but effective and carter ok at a much lower level than higgins he been doing the same
carter not in the same league as higgins but carter been playing like a mini higgins when higgins not playing well ie like last year to win the tournament
anyway ronnie will win something like 18-12 carter will get a few more frames than in 2008 as he better equipped but ronnie will be comfortable throughout the match never being in danger
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by Skullman » 05 May 2012 Read
What's wrong with Carter winning? If he beats Ronnie he deserves it.
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by Roland » 05 May 2012 Read
It's true and he is a very good player. I think his refusal to take on certain pots hasn't won him round to a lot of snooker fans, and to be honest his grumbling and scowling generally and in particular during the match against Judd rubbed people up the wrong way including me. I won't be happy if he wins but if he does then he deserves it like all World Champions do. I'll be cheering for Ronnie though.
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by Skullman » 05 May 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:It's true and he is a very good player. I think his refusal to take on certain pots hasn't won him round to a lot of snooker fans, and to be honest his grumbling and scowling generally and in particular during the match against Judd rubbed people up the wrong way including me. I won't be happy if he wins but if he does then he deserves it like all World Champions do. I'll be cheering for Ronnie though.
It's not like Selby's never turned down a pot he thought he couldn't get. Mags pushed the boat too much this match and look where it got him. Although the scowling isn't great. At least with Maguire he's angry at himself, while Carter seems to be angry at everyone but himself.
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by Roland » 05 May 2012 Read
Carter's always been like that. He reminds me of Joe Swail who was the same. It fires them up to win because they always feel hard done by which is why they win, but it doesn't warm them to the public. Unless they've had an illness like Chrone's or are partially deaf then the public will love them. Oh...hang on
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by jojo » 05 May 2012 Read
im not criticising carter for his style of play because it his choice and other players been using the same style to good effect in the past however the point im making is he not producing it to anywhere near the standard other players have done and once he come up against a decent tactical player he will be found out almost straight away
carter is not some kind of matchplay magician like he seem to be making out especially the way he talk after beating judd
i see so many times when the table was open yet carter could only make twenty or thirty before having to play safe he was needing three or four clear scoring visits whereas most other players would need one
that isnt top quality match play it just a player who cant score heavy
yes he play some safety shots at the start and middle of frames but he been playing judd who goes for everything as carter was quick to point out likewise maguire also go for everything and jones is still raw in the sense that this is his first taste in the big time and tactical play is the last side of the game you learn it come with experience
so dont give me this carters great matchplay bullocks he will be found out against a higgins selby robertson williams o sullivan
oh hold on he playing o sullivan tomorrow
count the number of times one where o sullivan wins the safety battle at the start and middle of frames and two the number of times carter breaks down with the table open along with the blue pink and black available
one thing is for sure i will lose count on both
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by nice_shoes_ken » 05 May 2012 Read
I think Carter has been very clever with his matchplay this year, he has sometimes played boring but it has always paid off.
And when there is a good chance for him to get in, he takes it and makes a good break.
Ebdon has given him various tactics probably and most of which are probably too slow the opponent down. Which Carter has done very well, some people will never take to his gameplay, some people go beyond extremes and call him all different names under the sun, my mate being one who used the C word to describe Ali.
If he wins he will throughly deserve it, unexpected but would be deserved. Just thinking what Witz would do if he did win though...ummmm
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by Roland » 05 May 2012 Read
From what I've seen Carter can mop up the points when they are all there but when it gets a bit tough or when the heat is on he messes up and runs for cover. I agree with you jojo, I think Jones should've had him but took on one too many at 12-11 and left an easy table for Carter when he is most efficient. I think Maguire didn't get the run in the first session and was trying to make things happen and Carter mopped up when he went for that one shot too many. I think Trump should've had him certainly from 12-9, and he'll probably still be wondering how he managed to lose. I think any comparison between Selby and Carter is completely inaccurate, Selby is a born match-player where Carter seems to be a manufactured one. I do remember Carter playing very well to beat Selby in the Shanghai semi-final so he does have the game to win the big one, but he wasn't playing this negative "refuse everything unless you have a back up plan for cover" policy which he's only developed in this tournament.
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by jojo » 06 May 2012 Read
another thing about carters so called matchplay is how often has he actually played a telling safety shot this tournament ? the like which really give you the upper hand over your opponent leaving them in all sorts of trouble
dont remember seeing many of these at all from carter to be honest he just playing decent safety and his opponent going for pots or not being able to come back with a matching safety purely because it not their strong point ie jamie jones
the likes of maguire and judd push the boat out and that was carters gameplan and it work so he cant be criticised for that but as long as ronnie doesnt get frustrated he will comfortably deal with carters so called matchplay without breaking sweat
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by simplysnooker » 06 May 2012 Read
ESSEX ESSEX! I will continue my support of Ali. buck the haters.
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by Roland » 06 May 2012 Read
That's the spirit, he's gotta have someone shouting for him. What better reason than the county he comes from?
Hang on, isn't Ronnie an Essex lad too?
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by jojo » 06 May 2012 Read
nothing to do with people hating carter so no need to buck anyone
he just wont be a very good matchplayer against the big boys who know how to mix it up that will be proved when he come up against them and one of them is ronnie tomorrow
no need to be shoofting anyone just because they not being complimentary about your favourite player
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by Smart » 06 May 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:From what I've seen Carter can mop up the points when they are all there but when it gets a bit tough or when the heat is on he messes up and runs for cover. I agree with you jojo, I think Jones should've had him but took on one too many at 12-11 and left an easy table for Carter when he is most efficient. I think Maguire didn't get the run in the first session and was trying to make things happen and Carter mopped up when he went for that one shot too many. I think Trump should've had him certainly from 12-9, and he'll probably still be wondering how he managed to lose. I think any comparison between Selby and Carter is completely inaccurate, Selby is a born match-player where Carter seems to be a manufactured one. I do remember Carter playing very well to beat Selby in the Shanghai semi-final so he does have the game to win the big one, but he wasn't playing this negative "refuse everything unless you have a back up plan for cover" policy which he's only developed in this tournament.
you used the word "manufactured" in your post. I hold the trademark over that word.......expect a call from my solicitors on Tuesday morning.
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by SnookerFan » 06 May 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:It's true and he is a very good player. I think his refusal to take on certain pots hasn't won him round to a lot of snooker fans, and to be honest his grumbling and scowling generally and in particular during the match against Judd rubbed people up the wrong way including me. I won't be happy if he wins but if he does then he deserves it like all World Champions do. I'll be cheering for Ronnie though.
He hasn't won over the fans because he's got the charisma of a dead fish. At least Ronnie, though I hate him I have more of an opinion on him on Carter. Whether I want Carter to win or lose depends on who he's playing, not on anything he does.
Though, I would like to see a new name on the trophy this year, so there is that.
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by Smart » 06 May 2012 Read
I think any notion that Carter is playing super matchplay is ridiculous, all he has done is play a conservative brand of snooker - and mopped up when has had to. He has not been breathtaking in safety exchanges, lets not kid ourselves here. I think he will do marginally better than his 18-8 loss last time round but he aint in ROS class for safety or breakbuilding or pressure clearances.
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by simplysnooker » 06 May 2012 Read
Erm... I think so Sonny
I don't understand the rubbish Carter is getting, whoever wins the tournament I would still say he has had the best tournament, who would have said he'd be in the final after the season that he's had?
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by randam05 » 06 May 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:Carter's always been like that. He reminds me of Joe Swail who was the same. It fires them up to win because they always feel hard done by which is why they win, but it doesn't warm them to the public. Unless they've had an illness like Chrone's or are partially deaf then the public will love them. Oh...hang on
Speaking of Joe swail.
Hes been one of my favourite players since I began watching, and to see him drop of the tour was sad, so I casually posted on his facebook wall about whether he would make a return and stuff.
He then sent me a very nice long private message
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by randam05 » 06 May 2012 Read
Ive enjoyed watching Carter for a change this year. Dont know why...
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by Alex0paul » 06 May 2012 Read
randam05 wrote:Sonny wrote:Carter's always been like that. He reminds me of Joe Swail who was the same. It fires them up to win because they always feel hard done by which is why they win, but it doesn't warm them to the public. Unless they've had an illness like Chrone's or are partially deaf then the public will love them. Oh...hang on
Speaking of Joe swail.
Hes been one of my favourite players since I began watching, and to see him drop of the tour was sad, so I casually posted on his facebook wall about whether he would make a return and stuff.
He then sent me a very nice long private message
Legend
Absolute legend. Did he say why he wasn't going to enter Q School?
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by vodkadiet » 06 May 2012 Read
These are probably the 2 players I dislike most in snooker so it is hard for me to have a care who wins.
Logic says Rigsby will win, but if Carter has a good run of the ball, and can believe in himself more than ever before against the arrogant one, then he could win.
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by Muppet147 » 06 May 2012 Read
Carter is boring and deserves a good beating. That will happen over the next two days.
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by randam05 » 06 May 2012 Read
Alex0paul wrote:randam05 wrote:Sonny wrote:Carter's always been like that. He reminds me of Joe Swail who was the same. It fires them up to win because they always feel hard done by which is why they win, but it doesn't warm them to the public. Unless they've had an illness like Chrone's or are partially deaf then the public will love them. Oh...hang on
Speaking of Joe swail.
Hes been one of my favourite players since I began watching, and to see him drop of the tour was sad, so I casually posted on his facebook wall about whether he would make a return and stuff.
He then sent me a very nice long private message
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Absolute legend. Did he say why he wasn't going to enter Q School?
Glad someone agrees! Such a shame to see him have such a bad season. This is what he said regards to Q school...
''hi jake,many thanks for your message,as regards to your question i didnt enter the q school as i needed some time away from the game,thank you for your continued support and hope to be back playing in the not too distant future.Joe x''
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by Alex0paul » 06 May 2012 Read
What a guy. He was my favourite player when I first started watching snooker, even pulled sickies from school just to watch him play lol.
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by randam05 » 06 May 2012 Read
Alex0paul wrote:What a guy. He was my favourite player when I first started watching snooker, even pulled sickies from school just to watch him play lol.
Serious?
I would have loved to seen him in his prime when he was a top 16er and playing at every venue.
My best memories of him were him vs Liang, and his good little spell at the german masters last year.
He is brilliant
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by Alex0paul » 06 May 2012 Read
randam05 wrote:Alex0paul wrote:What a guy. He was my favourite player when I first started watching snooker, even pulled sickies from school just to watch him play lol.
Serious?
I would have loved to seen him in his prime when he was a top 16er and playing at every venue.
My best memories of him were him vs Liang, and his good little spell at the german masters last year.
He is brilliant
Yep but they always showed the other match as it was the days before the red button.
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