by GJ » 03 Mar 2012 Read
My honest view is i dont think he will be .
My reasoning
Mark for me just isnt clinical enough in the big matches and there are too many other top players who are far better in the big matches than Mark as shown by his record in semis and finals.
My 2nd reason is the battle scars have to start affecting Mark more and more as he contnues to lose more and more semis and finals.
So my vote is NO
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by Lucky » 03 Mar 2012 Read
All of the top players are capable......given the dream draw
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by Wildey » 03 Mar 2012 Read
Selby has played in 7 Ranking Finals
David Gray 2003
John Higgins 2007
Ronnie O'Sullivan won 2008
Mark Williams 2011
Judd Trump 2011
Mark Williams won 2011
Ding Junhui 2012
so its not as if hes losing to mugs and credit has to go to the players that beat him and as that record shows prior to 2011 he reached 3 finals last 2 seasons hes reached 4 and lost to quality playing great stuff.
even today that was one of the best if not the best 4 frame winning spree of the season to beat selby.
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by Skullman » 03 Mar 2012 Read
The players who beat Selby have to be on their absolute A+ game to stand a chance. Mark Allen today played the best four frames of his life. He only ever loses to absolute legends of the game (and David Gray, but selby was only 19 then). Over long matches, Selby is capable of coming back at them, because they won't be on A+ game for multiple sessions. Plus he could have an easy draw like Robbo in 2010, and just have everything click in his game.
Btw how was Mark not clinical today? It's not like he bottled any shots/frames. He had to be outplayed by Allen, who might never play that well again.
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by GJ » 03 Mar 2012 Read
Ding isnt unbeatable in finals far from it so big chance gone there for selby.
Also winning a title with a so called easy draw is as hard as the pressure of being clear fav takes it toll on mentally weak players
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by Roland » 03 Mar 2012 Read
Obviously I'm not impartial but Wild has said it all. My favourite player for a reason. He is class and over the last 4 or 5 seasons there's not many with a better record, and the last 4 or 5 seasons the overall standard has been pretty damn good. Well certainly since Hearn started putting on more tournaments. The big 4 of 10 years ago set a godly standard of snooker and Selby is one of the few who has matched it albeit with a stronger field to contend with, not least with 3 of those 4 remaining at the level they were 10 years ago in sustained bursts.
Of course he can win the World Championships, but then again so can several others. For Selby this year it's not going to be easy with Mark Allen/Ding Junhui being his potential quarter-final opponent (the last 2 to beat him) and Robbo/Ronnie likely to be the semi-final opponent but he's beaten them all before now so why not? He's got as good a chance as any. And if not this year, then he's got a good 10 further attempts left in him, he's physically fit and can handle the heat of battle which is what the Crucible is all about.
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by GJ » 03 Mar 2012 Read
Skullman wrote:The players who beat Selby have to be on their absolute A+ game to stand a chance. Mark Allen today played the best four frames of his life. He only ever loses to absolute legends of the game (and David Gray, but selby was only 19 then). Over long matches, Selby is capable of coming back at them, because they won't be on A+ game for multiple sessions. Plus he could have an easy draw like Robbo in 2010, and just have everything click in his game.
Btw how was Mark not clinical today? It's not like he bottled any shots/frames. He had to be outplayed by Allen, who might never play that well again.
I never said specifically today its over the long term and marks record at the business end
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by Roland » 03 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Ding isnt unbeatable in finals far from it so big chance gone there for selby.
Also winning a title with a so called easy draw is as hard as the pressure of being clear fav takes it toll on mentally weak players
That's a good point GJ, Selby like others before and since has fallen foul of the clear favourite to win a match tag. When he knows it's going to be tough though, he can raise his game. You never know, maybe in a couple of months time we'll be looking back at the losses to Ding and Allen as a good thing because he won't be clear favourite against either come Sheffield. This is of course assuming they all win their first 2 matches which to be fair they are clear favourites to do. It would be a shock if the bottom section of the quarter-final draw isn't Selby v Allen/Ding
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by Skullman » 03 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Skullman wrote:The players who beat Selby have to be on their absolute A+ game to stand a chance. Mark Allen today played the best four frames of his life. He only ever loses to absolute legends of the game (and David Gray, but selby was only 19 then). Over long matches, Selby is capable of coming back at them, because they won't be on A+ game for multiple sessions. Plus he could have an easy draw like Robbo in 2010, and just have everything click in his game.
Btw how was Mark not clinical today? It's not like he bottled any shots/frames. He had to be outplayed by Allen, who might never play that well again.
I never said specifically today its over the long term and marks record at the business end
Selby has been unlucky. I've seen players play worse than he did today and they've won tournaments. If he keeps getting to the business end of tournaments he'll win.
Anyway, its pointless to discuss this now, as Crucible changes things. You never who's going to do what. Selby might have an amazing run, or his opponents just peak now and then fall apart in April.
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by jojo » 03 Mar 2012 Read
he difinitely capable of winning the worlds there no doubt about that
he got the game can attack can play ugly mix it up all the ingredients you need to win at the crucible
the problem is there are so many good players he up against for examle like ding last year so winning it is going to be tough but i would never be surprised to see him win it
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by Skullman » 03 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Ding isnt unbeatable in finals far from it so big chance gone there for selby.
Also winning a title with a so called easy draw is as hard as the pressure of being clear fav takes it toll on mentally weak players
Yeah but the pressure is counteracted by the fact that the player who isn't clear fav is usually a worse player.
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by Wildey » 03 Mar 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:GJ wrote:Ding isnt unbeatable in finals far from it so big chance gone there for selby.
Also winning a title with a so called easy draw is as hard as the pressure of being clear fav takes it toll on mentally weak players
That's a good point GJ, Selby like others before and since has fallen foul of the clear favourite to win a match tag. When he knows it's going to be tough though, he can raise his game. You never know, maybe in a couple of months time we'll be looking back at the losses to Ding and Allen as a good thing because he won't be clear favourite against either come Sheffield. This is of course assuming they all win their first 2 matches which to be fair they are clear favourites to do. It would be a shock if the bottom section of the quarter-final draw isn't Selby v Allen/Ding
theres never a guarante all you can do is put yourself often in a possition to win.
Hendry has won most Ranking titles but he also has most Ranking runner up because he kept putting himself in a final....if you outplayed in the final well
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by Roland » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Is that true? Hendry losing in more ranking finals than anyone else?
It's like in golf, Jack Nicklaus has the record of most 2nd place finishes as well as winning the most majors.
I have to say it is a pretty bloody ridiculous arguement that Selby is level with Dominic Dale and Ali Carter in the stats just because of the two rankers. How many other finals have those been in? I can remember Carter in the 2008 Worlds off the top of my head and that's it. And neither of them have won the Masters which is a major when all is said and done.
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by Wildey » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:Is that true? Hendry losing in more ranking finals than anyone else?
It's like in golf, Jack Nicklaus has the record of most 2nd place finishes as well as winning the most majors.
I have to say it is a pretty bloody ridiculous arguement that Selby is level with Dominic Dale and Ali Carter in the stats just because of the two rankers. How many other finals have those been in? I can remember Carter in the 2008 Worlds off the top of my head and that's it. And neither of them have won the Masters which is a major when all is said and done.
Hendry lost in 22 Ranking Finals next in that list is John Higgins and Jimmy White on 14.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:And if not this year, then he's got a good 10 further attempts left in him, he's physically fit and can handle the heat of battle which is what the Crucible is all about.
I think that is a bit optimistic. Hendry couldn't win it after turning 30, Davis after 32 and Higgins struggeled last year being 35.
Selby will turn 29 after this years WC. History tells us that he won't have a good 10 further attempts after this year.
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by Casey » 04 Mar 2012 Read
I think he will, but it won't be this year as Allen will beat him in the QF's.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 04 Mar 2012 Read
I give him 3 years, if he doesn't win it in that peroid he never will.
It was the same thing with Maguire he is now over 30 and has many scars and I think very few fancy him winnig it now.
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by vodkadiet » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Are we talking about anyone called Selby, or just Mark Selby?
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by GJ » 04 Mar 2012 Read
vodkadiet wrote:Are we talking about anyone called Selby, or just Mark Selby?
either
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by vodkadiet » 04 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:vodkadiet wrote:Are we talking about anyone called Selby, or just Mark Selby?
either
Kimiko Date's brother had a son he christened Selby, and he is touted as Japan's hottest snooker prospect since..... well.... the last one.
Selby Date
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by Skullman » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Casey wrote:I think he will, but it won't be this year as Allen will beat him in the QF's.
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by boris_the_butcher » 04 Mar 2012 Read
He might get lucky with the draw like a certain Aussie and then he's got just about enough to be world champion. Once higgins is no longer a force and assuming Trump doesn't dominate then what remains at the top will have just about an equal shout.
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by Casey » 04 Mar 2012 Read
In order of fav's for the title I would go for -
Trump
Robbo
Selby
Then the next group of -
Higgins, Ronnie & Ding -
Outsiders -
Murphy
Allen
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by Muppet147 » 04 Mar 2012 Read
I doubt Selby will ever be world champ. He can't even win the regular ranking tournaments.
His only chance is to get an easy draw like the worst world champ Robbo.
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by Witz78 » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Muppet147 wrote:I doubt Selby will ever be world champ. He can't even win the regular ranking tournaments.
His only chance is to get an easy draw like the worst world champ Robbo.
2002 EBDON
2006 DOTT
2010 JONO
the cycle in the 21st century is that every 4 years there is an snooker winner of the worlds so 2014 probably Selbys best chance
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by GJ » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Robbo will win it this year so your theory is BS mate
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by Witz78 » 04 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Robbo will win it this year so your theory is BS mate
so your admitting hes snooker then?
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by GJ » 04 Mar 2012 Read
Witz78 wrote:GJ wrote:Robbo will win it this year so your theory is BS mate
so your admitting hes snooker then?
I have gave up trying to convince people robbo attacks 50 % of the time
No point as its like hitting my head off a brick wall
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by Muppet147 » 04 Mar 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Robbo will win it this year so your theory is BS mate
Robbo couldn't be that lucky twice.
Most likely he will get knocked out in the first or second round again.
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