by Skullman » 18 Feb 2012 Read
Self explanatory. Two best match players of their generation. Which one is better?
For the matchplay hatahs, read it as which one is more boring.
Edit: How could I forget Dott? Also added option of others. By their generation I mean players that joined the tour in the late 90s.
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by GJ » 18 Feb 2012 Read
Mark IMO
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Skullman wrote:Self explanatory. Two best match players of their generation. Which one is better?
For the matchplay hatahs, read it as which one is more boring.
rubbish
as much as i hate him Higgins is by far the best matchplayer of the generation. Even GJ wouldnt argue with that
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
GJ wrote:Mark IMO
At least Robbo's still good enough to handle the Bristolian upstart.
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Witz78 wrote:Skullman wrote:Self explanatory. Two best match players of their generation. Which one is better?
For the matchplay hatahs, read it as which one is more boring.
rubbish
as much as i hate him Higgins is by far the best matchplayer of the generation. Even GJ wouldnt argue with that
Higgins is the generation before. I agree he outclasses them.
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
no in this era Higgins is a matchplayer
he wasnt in his original incarnation
Ebdon was the best matchplayer of that generation
Jono seems to have copied Higgins in changing his tactics
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Witz78 wrote:no in this era Higgins is a matchplayer
he wasnt in his original incarnation
Ebdon was the best matchplayer of that generation
Jono seems to have copied Higgins in changing his tactics
I never said that Higgins is the best matchplayer of
his generation. I'm just saying that Higgins's generation was before Selby and Robbo, and therefore he isn't considered in this poll. If you can come up with any alternatives from Selby and Robbo's generation, I will gladly add them to the poll.
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
would you class Dott as the same generation?
i would, on the basis that his career success has been during Robbo and Selbys era
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Witz78 wrote:would you class Dott as the same generation?
i would, on the basis that his career success has been during Robbo and Selbys era
How could I forget Dott? I think I might redo the poll. Anyone else I should add before I change it?
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Redid the poll. If anyone still cares, they can revote.
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by Roland » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Higgins is the best. Selby, Robbo and Dott are the next best.
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Thorburn is the best
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by Roland » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Some other great matchplayers:
Ray Reardon
Steve Davis
Cliff Thorburn
Ken Doherty
John Parrott
Peter Ebdon
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by Skullman » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Sonny wrote:Some other great matchplayers:
Ray Reardon
Steve Davis
Cliff Thorburn
Ken Doherty
John Parrott
Peter Ebdon
Agree but the original premise of the poll was who was the best matchplayer of Robbo and Selby's generation. Which has to be Dott, can't believe I forgot him
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Griffiths wasnt too bad as well in that department
Eddie Charlton too id say
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Griffiths just said
Davis then Higgins then Selby
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by Odrl » 19 Feb 2012 Read
I've never quite understood the term "best match player"... Isn't it exactly the same as "best player"?
Surely a player's practice potential is of little interest to anyone. Or are we suppose to look at it in relative terms? Say, who's game is least dependent on technical brilliance, or something like that?
The way I see it, Robertson has been the best match player of these three, although Selby is a couple of years younger and could potentially catch up with him. As for other players of this generation, I think Murphy is also ahead of Selby as things stand at the moment.
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
the term matchplayer IMO refers to whoever is the worst player to achieve the most
ie. they make up for their lack of true talent compared to others by playing tactics that gain success.
a bit like the boring boring Arsenal of the late 80s and early 90s who seemed to grind out a 1-0 win every week
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by sundaygirl » 19 Feb 2012 Read
I voted for Dott who has been a great match player for as long as I have been aware of him.
But I would give Robertson the award for "most improved" in this department. I think that when Neil had his first breakthrough success he was self conscious and wanted to be seen to play attractive snooker now he has matured he has the confience to play a tougher style of game if needed.
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by Witz78 » 19 Feb 2012 Read
sundaygirl wrote:I voted for Dott who has been a great match player for as long as I have been aware of him.
But I would give Robertson the award for "most improved" in this department. I think that when Neil had his first breakthrough success he was self conscious and wanted to be seen to play attractive snooker now he has matured he has the confience to play a tougher style of game if needed.
i just hope Judd never sells out to the purists
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by Wildey » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Odrl wrote:I've never quite understood the term "best match player"... Isn't it exactly the same as "best player"?
no because Hendry would blow matchplayers out of the water when he was on song the same with Ronnie.
no matter how good your safety is when you got players like that playing it dilutes it.
but players has to understand their limitations thats where matchplay comes in to it to give them a chance. trying to out pot hendry at his best was pointless.
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by Odrl » 19 Feb 2012 Read
Wild wrote:no because Hendry would blow matchplayers out of the water when he was on song the same with Ronnie.
no matter how good your safety is when you got players like that playing it dilutes it.
but players has to understand their limitations thats where matchplay comes in to it to give them a chance. trying to out pot hendry at his best was pointless.
Well yes, that was kind of my point. If you take the term "match player" literally, it would be Hendry anyway, wouldn't it?
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by mediter » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Well, there are different elements like break-building, defensive safety-game, attacking safety game, long-potting, shot choices between safety and break-building, cue action, mental approaches, physical condition and so on . But the way I think what is a good match player, is what players can produce when it going gets really tough, i.e deciding frames. Excellent example was Welsh Open match between Steve Davis vs Ali Carter, where Steve made deciding frame century with many most spectacular positional shots !! In the 90´s Stephen Hendry made 147 decider against O´Sullivan. Steve Davis is a one hell of a match player and so are John Higgins and Mark Selby the way I see this issue. I definetely voted Mark Selby since he has a well earned reputation being a deciding frame specialist.
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by sundaygirl » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Being a good match player is not always always about being a grinder/ safety specialist. In my opinion what made Hendry agood match player was his quick start he nearly always won the first frame (still does) and was able to maintain concentration to clear the table. Keeping your opponent in his chair is good match play. Winning this way is also good tournament play. How often do we see the winner of a great match fade away in the following round.
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by jojo » 20 Feb 2012 Read
of their generation i would say robertson
of the last twenty years i would say higgins
of all time i would say davis even though higgins a better potter
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by Witz78 » 20 Feb 2012 Read
jojo wrote:of their generation i would say robertson
of the last twenty years i would say higgins
of all time i would say davis even though higgins a better potter
what you giving that @#&%$£ any credit for
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by Skullman » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Witz78 wrote:jojo wrote:of their generation i would say robertson
of the last twenty years i would say higgins
of all time i would say davis even though higgins a better potter
what you giving that @#&%$£ any credit for
Now, now Witz, this irrational Davis hating has to stop. He was a good player in his day. Why can't you be as nice to him as Wild is?
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by Witz78 » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Skullman wrote:Witz78 wrote:jojo wrote:of their generation i would say robertson
of the last twenty years i would say higgins
of all time i would say davis even though higgins a better potter
what you giving that @#&%$£ any credit for
Now, now Witz, this irrational Davis hating has to stop. He was a good player in his day. Why can't you be as nice to him as Wild is?
haha Davis is the only one of that trio id give any credit too
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by Muppet147 » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Higgins is probably the best match player of this generation and the last. He is still a runt of course.
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by Skullman » 20 Feb 2012 Read
Muppet147 wrote:Higgins is probably the best match player of this generation and the last. He is still a runt of course.
I agree that he's a better match player, but he's from the older generation.
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