by N_Castle07 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Apart from The Masters, non rankers don’t hold too much prestige. The players are invited to play and there are no ranking points at stake taking the pressure and sometimes quality from the tournaments. I don’t think this stat will bother Williams too much. Davis was a player who would treat all professional tournaments the same and wanted to win everything in sight.
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by N_Castle07 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Steve Davis 53 Non Rankers
Stephen Hendry 38 Non Rankers
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22 Non Rankers
Jimmy White 19 Non Rankers
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by Roland » 26 Feb 2010 Read
"He turned professional in 1992 and finished his first season ranked 119, and within three seasons was ranked in the Worlds top 16"
Now that is a sign of class.
I would be interested to see a list of number of seasons it's taken various players to reach the top 16. If Liang Wenbo gets a few results in the remaining two tournaments his must surely be the shortest time on tour to get top 16 in recent memory?
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by Monique » 26 Feb 2010 Read
N_Castle07 wrote:Apart from The Masters, non rankers don’t hold too much prestige. The players are invited to play and there are no ranking points at stake taking the pressure and sometimes quality from the tournaments. I don’t think this stat will bother Williams too much. Davis was a player who would treat all professional tournaments the same and wanted to win everything in sight.
Some comments though.
Amongst the 53 non-rankers won by Davis, you have 2 UK titles before it became ranking. Tournaments status have changed over time.
You might argue that because tournaments are not ranking pressure is lower, true. Does that make it lower quality, I'm not sure (think Victoria Challenge!). Under less pressure the players will usually produce more attacking, show-type snooker. People tend to forget that this entertaining aspect is important: no sport like snooker can survive without an audience. Outside the hardcore fans, it is important to also attract a more "casual" public and/or a younger public. Plus the more relaxed atmosphere of the many non ranking events in the past helped hugely to build the so called "characters" in the game, which is also important for its image.
I'm afraid my take on Williams is indeed he couldn't be bothered much ... which means he didn't do his promotion bit, contary to Davis, Hendry, Ronnie, Jimmy and others.
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by Wildey » 26 Feb 2010 Read
yes but also in the 53 Non Rankers by Davis there are 3 Pot Blacks and god knows how many overseas tournament during the 80s organised by Barry Hearn that consisted of about 4 or 5 Professionals.
my point being in 20 years time when people look in the record books it sais Steve Davis has won the record amount of tournaments it does not say exactly what those tournaments are.
players should think in that vain and want to rack up as much as possible to try and eclipse the Davis or Hendry totals on all level of the game.
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by N_Castle07 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Agreed Wild, that’s why I don’t look at player’s non rankers and why I think Williams won’t be bothered how many he has. To look back at a players career the only way to judge there talent is on Ranking Events.
Stephen Hendry 36
Steve Davis 28
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22
John Higgins 21
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by N_Castle07 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Or better yet judge them on there Majors
Stephen Hendry 22
Steve Davis 18
Ronnie O'Sullivan 12
John Higgins 11
Mark Williams 9
Ray Readon 8
Alex Higgins 5
Cliff Thorburn 4
John Spenser 4
Jimmy White 4
Dennis Taylor 3
Paul Hunter 3
Peter Ebdon 3
Terry Griffiths 3
Doug Montjoy 3
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by Rocket_ron » 26 Feb 2010 Read
what tournys do you class as majors? WC UK GP
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by Rocket_ron » 26 Feb 2010 Read
N_Castle07 wrote:Steve Davis 53 Non Rankers
Stephen Hendry 38 Non Rankers
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22 Non Rankers
Jimmy White 19 Non Rankers
wheres higgins in your list?
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by Roland » 26 Feb 2010 Read
rocket_ron wrote:what tournys do you class as majors? WC UK GP
WC UK and Masters are the big 3 for snooker
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by Rocket_ron » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Sonny wrote:rocket_ron wrote:what tournys do you class as majors? WC UK GP
WC UK and Masters are the big 3 for snooker
but N_castle above must of added GP in the list
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by Roland » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Some may rank the GP 4th because it's been a regular BBC event and the traditional curtain raiser for years but I don't class it a major. Especially with all the format tinkering they've done over the last few seasons.
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by Wildey » 26 Feb 2010 Read
N_Castle07 wrote:Agreed Wild, that’s why I don’t look at player’s non rankers and why I think Williams won’t be bothered how many he has. To look back at a players career the only way to judge there talent is on Ranking Events.
Stephen Hendry 36
Steve Davis 28
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22
John Higgins 21
right in some respect however if snooker is to move forward players and the public has to learn to embrase all tournaments again...
i was brought up during the 80s where a snooker tournament was a snooker tournaments rankings hardly got mention.....today fans see them as the be all and end all of the sport i don't.
to have a great tour we got to have a mixture of both.
Ranking tournaments are needed but i dont think a 15 ranking tour is possible in snooker so we want it up to around 10 or 11 with other invitational tournaments around them as main tour tournos and not just throw away tournaments because players got nothing better to do.
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by Witz78 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
wildJONESEYE wrote:N_Castle07 wrote:Agreed Wild, that’s why I don’t look at player’s non rankers and why I think Williams won’t be bothered how many he has. To look back at a players career the only way to judge there talent is on Ranking Events.
Stephen Hendry 36
Steve Davis 28
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22
John Higgins 21
right in some respect however if snooker is to move forward players and the public has to learn to embrase all tournaments again...
i was brought up during the 80s where a snooker tournament was a snooker tournaments rankings hardly got mention.....today fans see them as the be all and end all of the sport i don't.
to have a great tour we got to have a mixture of both.
Ranking tournaments are needed but i dont think a 15 ranking tour is possible in snooker so we want it up to around 10 or 11 with other invitational tournaments around them as main tour tournos and not just throw away tournaments because players got nothing better to do.
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by Witz78 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Witz78 wrote:wildJONESEYE wrote:N_Castle07 wrote:Agreed Wild, that’s why I don’t look at player’s non rankers and why I think Williams won’t be bothered how many he has. To look back at a players career the only way to judge there talent is on Ranking Events.
Stephen Hendry 36
Steve Davis 28
Ronnie O’Sullivan 22
John Higgins 21
right in some respect however if snooker is to move forward players and the public has to learn to embrase all tournaments again...
i was brought up during the 80s where a snooker tournament was a snooker tournaments rankings hardly got mention.....today fans see them as the be all and end all of the sport i don't.
to have a great tour we got to have a mixture of both.
Ranking tournaments are needed but i dont think a 15 ranking tour is possible in snooker so we want it up to around 10 or 11 with other invitational tournaments around them as main tour tournos and not just throw away tournaments because players got nothing better to do.
oops, the drink must be kicking in............
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by Rocket_ron » 26 Feb 2010 Read
witz, i thought you'd gone out?
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by Witz78 » 26 Feb 2010 Read
rocket_ron wrote:witz, i thought you'd gone out?
Im finished the Kopparberg and just having a few Donovan Baileys now hic
hell, i need some Dutch Courage before i hit the karoke hahaha Snooker Loopy nuts are we.......here i come
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by Wildey » 26 Feb 2010 Read
rocket_ron wrote:witz, i thought you'd gone out?
and that was 3 years ago
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by Rocket_ron » 26 Feb 2010 Read
Witz78 wrote:rocket_ron wrote:witz, i thought you'd gone out?
Im finished the Kopparberg and just having a few Donovan Baileys now hic
hell, i need some Dutch Courage before i hit the karoke hahaha Snooker Loopy nuts are we.......here i come
yeae get on karoke, tell smart to video you
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by Roland » 08 Mar 2010 Read
Sonny wrote:"He turned professional in 1992 and finished his first season ranked 119, and within three seasons was ranked in the Worlds top 16"
Now that is a sign of class.
I would be interested to see a list of number of seasons it's taken various players to reach the top 16. If Liang Wenbo gets a few results in the remaining two tournaments his must surely be the shortest time on tour to get top 16 in recent memory?
Can anyone provide the stats about minimum seasons to reach the top 16?
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by Alex0paul » 08 Mar 2010 Read
Sonny wrote:Sonny wrote:"He turned professional in 1992 and finished his first season ranked 119, and within three seasons was ranked in the Worlds top 16"
Now that is a sign of class.
I would be interested to see a list of number of seasons it's taken various players to reach the top 16. If Liang Wenbo gets a few results in the remaining two tournaments his must surely be the shortest time on tour to get top 16 in recent memory?
Can anyone provide the stats about minimum seasons to reach the top 16?
Top 16 plus a few others;
O'Sullivan - 2
Maguire - 7
Murphy - 8
Higgins - 3
Carter - 10
Day - 8
Selby - 8
Fu - 2
Robertson - 8
Hendry - 3
Allen - 3
Perry - 10
Ding - 4
Ebdon - 3
Williams - 4
King - 9
McManus - 2
Morgan - 4
Hunter - 4
Clark - 3
Doherty - 3
Dott - 6
Stevens - 4
Swail - 3
Robidoux - 3
Parrott - 4
Wattana - 3
Wilkinson - 6
Wenbo would have taken 6 years if he gets in this season.
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by Roland » 08 Mar 2010 Read
Cheers Alex. There are a few surprises in amongst that lot for sure. Allen and Ding on 3 and 4 are the most recent. Did Ding's win at China which didn't count delay his top 16 by a season?
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by Alex0paul » 08 Mar 2010 Read
Sonny wrote:Cheers Alex. There are a few surprises in amongst that lot for sure. Allen and Ding on 3 and 4 are the most recent. Did Ding's win at China which didn't count delay his top 16 by a season?
Yes, he ended that season in 62nd position and then after winning the UK Championships the following year he ended it in 26th. If the China Open win had carried points he would have ended up in 44th and then 14th after the 2005/06 season.
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by Rocket_ron » 08 Mar 2010 Read
I ecpected ronnie to be the quickest
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by Sickpotter » 11 Mar 2010 Read
Ronnie's tied for quickest with Fu and McManus.
Ronnie I understand, fully expected him to be among the fastest risers but quite shocked to see Fu and McManus there
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by Rocket_ron » 11 Mar 2010 Read
sickpotter wrote:Ronnie's tied for quickest with Fu and McManus.
Ronnie I understand, fully expected him to be among the fastest risers but quite shocked to see Fu and McManus there
mcmanus in the early 90's was the don. one of the only players to live with hendry
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by Sickpotter » 11 Mar 2010 Read
Fair point.....how do we explain Fu though
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by Monique » 11 Mar 2010 Read
rocket_ron wrote:sickpotter wrote:Ronnie's tied for quickest with Fu and McManus.
Ronnie I understand, fully expected him to be among the fastest risers but quite shocked to see Fu and McManus there
mcmanus in the early 90's was the don. one of the only players to live with hendry
Yes but Swail, Clark and Robidoux did also. And that for me is further evidence that outside the top 4 (maybe 8) the opposition was quite weak in the late 80th, early 90th because none of them really did antything remarkable and went down the rankings mid 90th very quickly.
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by JohnFromLondonTown » 11 Mar 2010 Read
Was there a Top 16 at the end of the '79 season? Reason I ask, Terry Griffiths must have made a pretty quick impact into the Top 16 if there was?
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