Who is better? Wattana or Carter? (Another eras debate zzz)
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vodkadiet wrote:Wattana for me.
GJ wrote:james
randam05 wrote:Could someone give me a little background on wattana please. Ranking event victories/appearances and moment of his career. As since i've started watching snooker I dont think hes been on tv once.
Alex0paul WC wrote:Similiar players. Wattana probably would have won more had it not been for the death of his father however he never generated a lot of cue power.
Monique wrote:Alex0paul WC wrote:Similiar players. Wattana probably would have won more had it not been for the death of his father however he never generated a lot of cue power.
All ranking wins from Wattana came after his father death, so I don't think it's a factor.
Monique wrote:If Hendry was Wattana's main problem then it's hard to explain that he won all his ranking titles while Hendry was dominant, dropped out of the top 16, precisely at the end of the season when Hendry won his last major and and despite being only 29, never came back in it when Hendry wasn't dominating anymore.
Wattana's main problem was the rise of the standard during the 1996-2005 years.
vodkadiet wrote:Monique wrote:If Hendry was Wattana's main problem then it's hard to explain that he won all his ranking titles while Hendry was dominant, dropped out of the top 16, precisely at the end of the season when Hendry won his last major and and despite being only 29, never came back in it when Hendry wasn't dominating anymore.
Wattana's main problem was the rise of the standard during the 1996-2005 years.
Not really. Players peak at different times. Wattana was at his best in the mid 90s. Wattana at his best was far better than most of today's top players. He would have been deadly in these easier playing conditions.
Monique wrote:vodkadiet wrote:Monique wrote:If Hendry was Wattana's main problem then it's hard to explain that he won all his ranking titles while Hendry was dominant, dropped out of the top 16, precisely at the end of the season when Hendry won his last major and and despite being only 29, never came back in it when Hendry wasn't dominating anymore.
Wattana's main problem was the rise of the standard during the 1996-2005 years.
Not really. Players peak at different times. Wattana was at his best in the mid 90s. Wattana at his best was far better than most of today's top players. He would have been deadly in these easier playing conditions.
Once again that's something that you state but it is just an opinion, there is no evidence to back it. Fast cloth were already around in the mid 90th.
I'm of the opinion that except for a handfull of players at the top of the rankings, clearly Hendry, Davis, White and Parrott, the opposition in the early 90th was pretty poor. That's why for instance a player like Gary Wilkinson, who has never won any ranking event and can hardly been credited of a great impact on the game was able to reach as high as 5th in 1991/92, and it was only his fourth season. He couldn't stay there though and two years later was out of the top 16 already and never came back.
Caledonian Craig wrote:Sorry but all this 'weak era 90's' is tosh.
John Higgins, Ronnie O'Sullivan and then Mark Williams were all multiple tournament winners by the mid 90's. Of the top 16 as it stands at the moment TWELVE turned professional in the 1990's (half of them established themselves in the 90's) and we have only four who turned professional in the mega-strong (if we believe some) 00's. Of the current top 16 those that turned pro in the 00's have been Ding Junhui (a top top player but yet to make that final step to legendary status), Mark Allen (still young and a lot was forecast for him but his progress has stuttered somewhat), Jamie Cope (still yet to make a real impact) and Ricky Walden (always one on the fringes and yet to establish himself as a consistent member of top 16).
Wild wrote:monique
thats your opinion however theres nothing at all to sugest your right.
remember the seeds of that time had qualifiers of the callaber of Ken Doherty,Alan Mcmanus,Peter Ebdon.Ronnie O'Sullivan,Mark Williams,John Higgins,Stephen Lee and Nigel Bond to contend with
mmmmmm Bond and Lee Qualifying somethings never change.
Wild wrote:so in 1990 Hendry had the Qualifiers of the Callabre of Marcus Campbell,Rod Lawler,Jamie Burnett,Mark Davis etc
Very similar Today but they were even tougher players.
Wild wrote:but they still around today and they still qualifying Today...
what i meant was they are no better than the players that was qualifying late 80s early 90s.
honestly mon you are Flogging a dead horse here theres no proof at all.