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DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

This is the official place for fans to keep up to date with the legendary Maltese cueman Tony "Tornado" Drago's results and latest news. :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Dragos main ranking tournament results since he returned to the main tour in season 2009/10

1) WON 5-0 Li Hang (Shanghai Masters Q1)
2) WON 5-4 v David Morris (Shanghai Masters Q2)
3) LOST 4-5 v Marcus Campbell (Shanghai Masters Q3)
4) WON 5-1 v Lee Page (Grand Prix Q1)
5) WON 5-3 v Andy Hicks (Grand Prix Q2)
6) LOST 2-5 v Mike Dunn (Grand Prix Q3)
7) WON 9-7 v Li Hang (UK Q1)
8) WON 9-5 v David Gilbert (UK Q2)
9) LOST 7-9 v Mark Davis (UK Q3)
10) WON 5-3 v Simon Bedford (Welsh Q1)
11) WON 5-2 v Peter Lines (Welsh Q2)
12) WON 5-2 v Jimmy Michie (Welsh Q3)
13) WON 5-2 v Gerard Greene (Welsh Q4)
14) LOST 4-5 v Ryan Day (Welsh R1)
15) WON 5-2 v Lee Page (China Open Q1)
16 WON 5-2 v John Parrot (China Open Q2)
17) WON 5-4 v Anthony Hamilton (China Open Q3)
18) WON 5-2 v Stephen Lee (China Open Q4)
19) WON 5-3 v Shi Shuamgyang (China Open WC Rnd)
20) LOST 1-5 v Joe Perry (China Open R1)
21) WON 10-8 v Xiao Guodong (WC Q1)
22) WON 10-7 v Liu Song (WC Q2)
23) LOST 6-10 v Ian McCulloch (WC3)

2009/10

MATCHES PLAYED 23
MATCHES WON 17
MATCHES LOST 6
MATCH WIN % - 74%

FRAMES PLAYED 224
FRAMES WON 128
FRAMES LOST 96
FRAME WIN % - 57%

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2010/11

WON 5-2 v Xiao Guodong (Shanghai Masters Q2)
LOST 3-5 v Anthony Hamilton (Shanghai Masters Q3)
WON 3-1 v Joel Walker (World Open Q2)
LOST 1-3 v Stephen Lee (World Open Q3)
WON 9-4 v Liam Highfield (UK Q2)
LOST 6-9 v Tom Ford (UK Q3)
WON 5-0 v Ian McCulloch (German Q2)
LOST 2-5 v Andrew Higginson (German Q3)
WON 4-2 v Matt Selt (Welsh Q3)

MATCHES PLAYED 9
MATCHES WON 5
MATCHES LOST 4
MATCH WIN % - 56%

FRAMES PLAYED - 69
FRAMES WON - 38
FRAMES LOST - 31
FRAME WIN % - 55%

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OVERALL

MATCHES PLAYED - 32
MATCHES WON - 22
MATCHES LOST - 10
MATCH WIN % - 67%

FRAMES PLAYED - 293
FRAMES WON - 166
FRAMES LOST - 127
FRAME WIN % - 57%

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THE ONLY WAY IS UP FOR TONY IF HE CONTINUES TO WIN HIS FIRST QUALIFYING MATCHES AND ALSO STEPS IT UP A NOTCH AND MAKES SOME VENUES.

HAVING STARTED OFF LAST SEASON IN THE FIRST ROUND OF QUALIFIERS, NOW HE FINDS HIMSELF SAFELY INSIDE THE TOP 48 AND ONLY HAVING 2 QUALIFYING MATCHES TO PLAY.

NEXT STOP, THE TOP 32 <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Tubberlad

I like Drago but I actually find him pretty boring as a player. Yes, he's all out attack and very quick, but his actual game is one dimensional and lacks variety. Unlike O'Sullivan, Selby, Ebdon, Williams etc.

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Steve K wrote:Good info! He doesnt seem to be winning as many matches this season but atleast he has remained consistent.


Last year he was fixed in the 1st qualifying round all season so he obviously was too good for that level hence he consistently won at least 2 qualifying matches last season.

Now hes been rewarded for his good last season, firstly into the top 64 and now the top 48, he has less qualifying games to play but starts at a harder level, and whilst itd be good to see him start making more venues, if he keeps things ticking over and wins his opening qualifier he will make the top 32 soon enough and only have 1 qualifying match. <ok>

below is the current rankings and im going to project them till the end of the season, on no other basis than deducting the points left to lose this season and see where Drago is provisionally sitting.

current rank / name / points to lose / current total / (projected total)
29 Gerard Greene 4200 25855 (21655)
30 Joe Perry 2100 25265 ( 23165)
31 Tom Ford 2750 24505 (21755)
32 Dominic Dale 1725 24445 (22720)
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33 Marcus Campbell 1350 23780 (22430)
34 Nigel Bond 5200 23065 (17865)
35 Robert Milkins 2050 22750 (20700)
36 Rory McLeod 3250 22595 (19345)
37 Mike Dunn 3450 22110 (18660)
38 Fergal O’Brien 2550 21785 (19235)
39 Steve Davis 3375 21530 (18155)
40 Anthony Hamilton 2550 21400 (18850)
41 Jamie Burnett 3950 21340 (17390)
42 Tony Drago 1463 20873 (19410)

so as we can see there are 6 players above Tony who are projected to drop below him by the end of the season which would put him about 35th.

Should he maintain his winning form in opening matches then the points gained here will probably be eough to sneak him into the top 32 :excited:

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

Witz78 wrote:
Steve K wrote:Good info! He doesnt seem to be winning as many matches this season but atleast he has remained consistent.


Last year he was fixed in the 1st qualifying round all season so he obviously was too good for that level hence he consistently won at least 2 qualifying matches last season.

Now hes been rewarded for his good last season, firstly into the top 64 and now the top 48, he has less qualifying games to play but starts at a harder level, and whilst itd be good to see him start making more venues, if he keeps things ticking over and wins his opening qualifier he will make the top 32 soon enough and only have 1 qualifying match. <ok>

below is the current rankings and im going to project them till the end of the season, on no other basis than deducting the points left to lose this season and see where Drago is provisionally sitting.

current rank / name / points to lose / current total / (projected total)
29 Gerard Greene 4200 25855 (21655)
30 Joe Perry 2100 25265 ( 23165)
31 Tom Ford 2750 24505 (21755)
32 Dominic Dale 1725 24445 (22720)
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33 Marcus Campbell 1350 23780 (22430)
34 Nigel Bond 5200 23065 (17865)
35 Robert Milkins 2050 22750 (20700)
36 Rory McLeod 3250 22595 (19345)
37 Mike Dunn 3450 22110 (18660)
38 Fergal O’Brien 2550 21785 (19235)
39 Steve Davis 3375 21530 (18155)
40 Anthony Hamilton 2550 21400 (18850)
41 Jamie Burnett 3950 21340 (17390)
42 Tony Drago 1463 20873 (19410)

so as we can see there are 6 players above Tony who are projected to drop below him by the end of the season which would put him about 35th.

Should he maintain his winning form in opening matches then the points gained here will probably be eough to sneak him into the top 32 :excited:

just shows how strong the 90s was you actually think a 90s failure can get in the top 32 in 2011 <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Wild wrote:
Witz78 wrote:
Steve K wrote:Good info! He doesnt seem to be winning as many matches this season but atleast he has remained consistent.


Last year he was fixed in the 1st qualifying round all season so he obviously was too good for that level hence he consistently won at least 2 qualifying matches last season.

Now hes been rewarded for his good last season, firstly into the top 64 and now the top 48, he has less qualifying games to play but starts at a harder level, and whilst itd be good to see him start making more venues, if he keeps things ticking over and wins his opening qualifier he will make the top 32 soon enough and only have 1 qualifying match. <ok>

below is the current rankings and im going to project them till the end of the season, on no other basis than deducting the points left to lose this season and see where Drago is provisionally sitting.

current rank / name / points to lose / current total / (projected total)
29 Gerard Greene 4200 25855 (21655)
30 Joe Perry 2100 25265 ( 23165)
31 Tom Ford 2750 24505 (21755)
32 Dominic Dale 1725 24445 (22720)
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33 Marcus Campbell 1350 23780 (22430)
34 Nigel Bond 5200 23065 (17865)
35 Robert Milkins 2050 22750 (20700)
36 Rory McLeod 3250 22595 (19345)
37 Mike Dunn 3450 22110 (18660)
38 Fergal O’Brien 2550 21785 (19235)
39 Steve Davis 3375 21530 (18155)
40 Anthony Hamilton 2550 21400 (18850)
41 Jamie Burnett 3950 21340 (17390)
42 Tony Drago 1463 20873 (19410)

so as we can see there are 6 players above Tony who are projected to drop below him by the end of the season which would put him about 35th.

Should he maintain his winning form in opening matches then the points gained here will probably be eough to sneak him into the top 32 :excited:

just shows how strong the 90s was you actually think a 90s failure can get in the top 32 in 2011 <ok>


This is a Drago FAN thread <ok> On yer bike Wild :D

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Drago was hardly a failure.

Sure, his achievments didnt match his talent but he was easily in my top 16 players of the 90s.

Unlike some of the rot above him hes not a journeyman and his return to form is no poor indicator of the current standards.

Just look at the names above him in the rankings, theyve all been pros since the 90s (at least) and bar Perry and Davis, the rest are journeymen who have capitalised on the shut shop mentality of the tour and the stagnant rankings system. However all that has changed now under Hearn and within 3 years the tour will be almost unrecognisable to today, with a whole new wave of young talent led by Lisowski breaking up to the top of the rankings and the journeymen dropping off tour and back into obscurity.

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

Witz78 wrote:Drago was hardly a failure.

Sure, his achievments didnt match his talent but he was easily in my top 16 players of the 90s.

Unlike some of the rot above him hes not a journeyman and his return to form is no poor indicator of the current standards.

Just look at the names above him in the rankings, theyve all been pros since the 90s (at least) and bar Perry and Davis, the rest are journeymen who have capitalised on the shut shop mentality of the tour and the stagnant rankings system. However all that has changed now under Hearn and within 3 years the tour will be almost unrecognisable to today, with a whole new wave of young talent led by Lisowski breaking up to the top of the rankings and the journeymen dropping off tour and back into obscurity.

keep thinking that if it makes you happy <ok> ...

but Garry Wilkinson and Darren Morgan won tournament Drago won rubbish <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Wild wrote:
Witz78 wrote:Drago was hardly a failure.

Sure, his achievments didnt match his talent but he was easily in my top 16 players of the 90s.

Unlike some of the rot above him hes not a journeyman and his return to form is no poor indicator of the current standards.

Just look at the names above him in the rankings, theyve all been pros since the 90s (at least) and bar Perry and Davis, the rest are journeymen who have capitalised on the shut shop mentality of the tour and the stagnant rankings system. However all that has changed now under Hearn and within 3 years the tour will be almost unrecognisable to today, with a whole new wave of young talent led by Lisowski breaking up to the top of the rankings and the journeymen dropping off tour and back into obscurity.

keep thinking that if it makes you happy <ok> ...

Wilkinson was a 1 or 2 season wonder. Showed what a weak era it was when he got as high as up to number 4 in the world i think.



he benefitted from the transitional weak early 90s era when the old 70s / 80s guard were on the decline and the exciting new wave of talent was just around the corner.

Morgan was a decent player, id liken him to a modern day Ali Carter possibly. I wonder if he will try his luck at the Q School?

Surprised we didnt see him at the PTCs given his success on the amateur stage
but Garry Wilkinson and Darren Morgan won tournament Drago won rubbish <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

Steve Davis has said Standards Late 80s to early 90s was stronger than Before.

are you saying Steve talks bullocks <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

and you liken Darren to Ali Carter <ok>

Darren Reached no 8 in the 90s and Ali no 2 last year mmmmmmmmmm you coming round to my way of thinking :clap:

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Wild wrote:Steve Davis has said Standards Late 80s to early 90s was stronger than Before.

are you saying Steve talks bullocks <ok>


Hes prob saying that to make his last 3 world titles in the late 80s seem good :chin:

id def rate the mid 80s and late 80s as better than the early 90s though.


infact ill rate them here based on overall quality plus strength in depth

early 80s - 6/10
mid 80s - 7/10
late 80s - 8/10
early 90s - 6/10
mid 90s - 8/10
late 90s - 10/10
early 00s - 9/10
mid 00s - 8/10
late 00s - 8/10
early 10s - ???

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

how old was you in the mid 80s and late 80s ???

5 and 10.

Dennis Taylor and Joe Johnson would have NEVER won the World Titles in the 90s Somehow they did in the 80s.

your 80s Snooker experience is courtesy of http://www.youtube.com/ or a childs perspective the same as the Tooth Fairy <ok>

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

Wild wrote:how old was you in the mid 80s and late 80s ???

5 and 10.

Dennis Taylor and Joe Johnson would have NEVER won the World Titles in the 90s Somehow they did in the 80s.

your 80s Snooker experience is courtesy of http://www.youtube.com/ or a childs perspective the same as the Tooth Fairy <ok>


7 and 12 <ok>

ok the early 80s is patchy but i watched snooker from an early age and remember watching the final in '85 and i remember the mid to late 80s snooker well <ok>

the game evolved and eventually improved standard wise, im not denying that but i was basing my marks on overall competitiveness, strength in depth and i stand by my opinion that the level dipped overall in the early 90s. If it was that good and different to the 80s then how come past their peaks Taylor, Thorne, Griffiths and many other 70s / 80s icons were still in the top 16 until around the mid 90s? <doh>

If the first half of the 90s was so good how come the same 2 players came though thier halves of the draw 9 times out of 10 from 1990-1994 in the World Championships? thats the ultimate signal of a weak era.

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Witz78

anyway that age thing you come out with is no different to the stuff Moondan used to come out with. Im older than you so i know more BS

Where will you stop?

If Tubber dares to comment on any snooker thats from before 2003 youll slate him?

and Jade might as well be shot down in flames if she comments on anything then?

What i didnt see in the 80s i have seen a lot on dvd, youtube, documentaries, books, internet etc and know it all well, though as i said above i do have many snooker memories from the 80s.

Re: DRAGO WATCH - The Official Fan Thread

Postby Wildey

in the 90s you had a mixture of different types of players with different problems to solve.

the very best of the 80s players could hang about using their experience unlike today the very worst of the 90s players hanging about ;) Pinches to name 1 never had Eugene Hughes and Ken Owers surviving until 2000.

today its a bit one dimensional that when someone sees a Ebdon or a Selby play differently they panick wanting shot clocks to hurry them along.

i was not critizising ur age i was pointing out what you actually think is not how it was.