Re: Is anyone interested in old World Championship scores?
- badtemperedcyril
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Running side wrote:In my opinion the crucible is still fine, of course there are bigger venues, but as been experienced by anyone whose attended it has a very special atmosphere. Playing in a 5k auditorium loses that closeness to the players and table, I wouldn't want to be sat 25 yards away.
badtemperedcyril wrote:Until last year i’d been to the Crucible every year since 1999. It’s such a special place and creates an atmosphere like no other. It’s not just inside the Crucible either, the whole city has a buzz about it when the snookers on. Can’t wait to go back.
Running side wrote:Fair point, why are table conditions poor? Must be same fitters and best materials available. Could it be closeness of crowd causing humidity problems. I actually used to install carpet under tables from 78 to 98 and the first 5years the policy was to reuse existing carpet, this resulting in lots of dust and fibers floating around. Since then a more scientific approach was taken, reducing bad contacts/kicks.
Muller wrote:Thanks Cyril - scores really indicate the cautious game Reardon employed in this match.
Muller wrote:Yes, it seems conditions were awful. Wondering if you have seen on YT there is some footage from the Champion of Champions in 1978 between the two (has overhead camera!) and the table is simply dreadful.
I do. Will post when I get a spare few minutes.Muller wrote:Cyril - do you have the 1977 and 1978 final scores form SS?
badtemperedcyril wrote:By the way, one think I did find was, as was customary at that time, the three remaining "dead" frames were played after Reardon had reached his winning 37-33 lead. Final score: 38-35
Muller wrote:Cyril - do you have the 1977 and 1978 final scores form SS?
SnookerArcher wrote:Sure you know of it but cuetracker.net is a brilliant resource for snooker if you want old scores.
badtemperedcyril wrote:SnookerArcher wrote:Sure you know of it but cuetracker.net is a brilliant resource for snooker if you want old scores.
You are dead right, it is a fantastic resource but more for the modern era (let’s say since 1980). It isn’t that great for early WC’s. There are a lot missing.
Also, Cuetracker only includes breaks over 50 but in the early championships, the standard was naturally progressive. 20/30/40 breaks were more significant than they are now.
Another important point to note is in regards to some of the early professional tournaments, namely Daily Mail Gold Cup, Sunday Empire News, News of the World. These tournaments were generally played at Thurston’s (Leicester Square Hall post war) and occupied most of the season. They were all “handicap” events, with the back marker (Joe Davis) conceding anything upto 35 points per frame! There is no mention of this in Cuetracker. So if Joe lost 19-18 to say, Sydney Lee, it looks on Cuetracker like a great win for Lee. But, if you consider that he’s had a 35 point head start in EVERY frame it puts a different context on it.
I’m hoping cuetracker fills out some of the missing amateur championship results as well. Between say, 1955 and 1968, the amateur game was more competitive than the professional. The likes of Marcus Owen, Ronnie Gross, Pat Houlihan and Jonathan Barron would’ve been household names had they been about in any other era (as professionals).