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Andre147 wrote:

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

The rest of Ronnie’s career should be a free ride.

Except I think he REALLY wants that 7th now.

He won't show it, because he wants to take pressure off himself.

But he badly wants a 7th I have no doubt in my mind. he was gutted today, you could see it.

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

The rest of Ronnie’s career should be a free ride.

Except I think he REALLY wants that 7th now.

Acé wrote:

Andre147 wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

That's right.

Ronnie from 2001 wouldn't find himself losing 7 frames on the spin against the likes of McGill would he?

But that's life, you dont get any younger. Still very proud of what he's achieved, he may have a 7th world title left in him, maybe next year not being defending champ.

No of course not lol younger Ronnie would've trahsed the first session 6-2 or 7-1 after a 4-1 lead, he wasn't under any pressure then loses 9/10 frames after that

Funny enough ROS could do with a hard draw like last year to shape him up from the get go , in the last 7 years he's lost to players that he was favourite or heavy favourite against

2015 Bingham, 2016 Hawkins, 2017 Ding, 2018 Carter, 2019 Cahill, 2021 McGill

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

1892 wrote:

Snooker Overdrive wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

Absolutely. It happens to all - I wonder how many good years Selby and Robbo have left. The clock is certainly ticking.

Makes you wonder who will be Judd’s competition in 5/6 years or so. Yan Bingtao, Wilson, Jack...not sure who else at this point

Bluestraw wrote:Such a shame that it came down to a bit of bad luck in the decider. The kick Ronnie got on that red took the pace out the while just enough to leave him awkward on the blue. Agree he messed up the next shot (was trying to get on that red to the right middle and got some unwanted side on the white), but without the kick he'd never have been in that situation!

Acé wrote:

Snooker Overdrive wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

Absolutely. It happens to all - I wonder how many good years Selby and Robbo have left. The clock is certainly ticking.

Selby's 37 now that was the age when Ronnie was between 2012-2013 and ROS racked up 2 world titles within that time, then he continued to win 1 TC event until this season + many other ranking tournaments and played to a good standard of snooker until 2019, I don't see Selby lasting that long or having near the same level of success (3 more world titles, 1 TC event every season etc)

Robertson is 39 now that was the age when ROS was between 2014-2015, again, same as above, don't see Robertson replicating the same level of success as ROS in his late 30s and early-mid 40s

so imo Selby's got another 4-5 years, Robertson 3

Ck147 wrote:

Acé wrote:

Snooker Overdrive wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

Absolutely. It happens to all - I wonder how many good years Selby and Robbo have left. The clock is certainly ticking.

Selby's 37 now that was the age when Ronnie was between 2012-2013 and ROS racked up 2 world titles within that time, then he continued to win 1 TC event until this season + many other ranking tournaments and played to a good standard of snooker until 2019, I don't see Selby lasting that long or having near the same level of success (3 more world titles, 1 TC event every season etc)

Robertson is 39 now that was the age when ROS was between 2014-2015, again, same as above, don't see Robertson replicating the same level of success as ROS in his late 30s and early-mid 40s

so imo Selby's got another 4-5 years, Robertson 3

Interesting, each generation can go a bit further at a higher level due to better understanding of diet, fitness, sports psychology, etc (not just snooker, is happening in other sports too). Robbo this season has been pretty good, his green milk at MSI obviously works, can see him going more than 3 years at top level, same with Selby. I expect they will still be top 5 in 5 years time.

Andre147 wrote:

Bluestraw wrote:Such a shame that it came down to a bit of bad luck in the decider. The kick Ronnie got on that red took the pace out the while just enough to leave him awkward on the blue. Agree he messed up the next shot (was trying to get on that red to the right middle and got some unwanted side on the white), but without the kick he'd never have been in that situation!

Even play it to left middle, but he played a nothing shot on the blue, spent too much time thinking, Robbo Phytagoras mode activated there.

Georgi1914 wrote:

Acé wrote:

Andre147 wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

That's right.

Ronnie from 2001 wouldn't find himself losing 7 frames on the spin against the likes of McGill would he?

But that's life, you dont get any younger. Still very proud of what he's achieved, he may have a 7th world title left in him, maybe next year not being defending champ.

No of course not lol younger Ronnie would've trahsed the first session 6-2 or 7-1 after a 4-1 lead, he wasn't under any pressure then loses 9/10 frames after that

Funny enough ROS could do with a hard draw like last year to shape him up from the get go , in the last 7 years he's lost to players that he was favourite or heavy favourite against

2015 Bingham, 2016 Hawkins, 2017 Ding, 2018 Carter, 2019 Cahill, 2021 McGill

And then again you mention players he didn't have to lose to and he did as a younger player back then. It was always a weakness of Ronnie to let weaker players to get under his skin for the big one after years of trashing them. It happens time after time again but it is usually followed by a convincingly winning of the title after a few big upsets. Ironically, with all the Crucible experince he has, he felt the pressure again after that in-off foul in the sixth frame against McGill. He was never losing that match from 5:1 up. It is defintely not an age thing. But his old habit to feel the presssure at times against weaker opponents that he used to trash in the past. He was more than ready to face the big names this time, I reckon, but he wasn't ready to be fully pressure free against McGIill. Age is a factor, but not nearly as big as some people consider it to be.

vodkadiet1 wrote:Hendry's record is safe, There is no way O'Sulivan wins another world title now, Age is already catching up with him, as it does with everybody. It was a brave effort to catch Hendry's 7 world titles but tonight the chance vanished in to the dust.

Hendry > O'Sullivan

csprince wrote:

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

The rest of Ronnie’s career should be a free ride.

Except I think he REALLY wants that 7th now.

i think that's been the case for the last 2/3 seasons trying to get the balance of enjoying it and still being able to compete.

Ck147 wrote:Hello csp, how you doing?

Ck147 wrote:

Acé wrote:

Snooker Overdrive wrote:

Acé wrote:Ronnie battles more now cuz he HAS to, kind of has no choice because the game doesn't come easy as it once did when he was 20s or 30s, or even early 40s...

so he has to rely on his B game far more and he knows this

Absolutely. It happens to all - I wonder how many good years Selby and Robbo have left. The clock is certainly ticking.

Selby's 37 now that was the age when Ronnie was between 2012-2013 and ROS racked up 2 world titles within that time, then he continued to win 1 TC event until this season + many other ranking tournaments and played to a good standard of snooker until 2019, I don't see Selby lasting that long or having near the same level of success (3 more world titles, 1 TC event every season etc)

Robertson is 39 now that was the age when ROS was between 2014-2015, again, same as above, don't see Robertson replicating the same level of success as ROS in his late 30s and early-mid 40s

so imo Selby's got another 4-5 years, Robertson 3

Interesting, each generation can go a bit further at a higher level due to better understanding of diet, fitness, sports psychology, etc (not just snooker, is happening in other sports too). Robbo this season has been pretty good, his green milk at MSI obviously works, can see him going more than 3 years at top level, same with Selby. I expect they will still be top 5 in 5 years time.

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

The rest of Ronnie’s career should be a free ride.

Except I think he REALLY wants that 7th now.

He won't show it, because he wants to take pressure off himself.

But he badly wants a 7th I have no doubt in my mind. he was gutted today, you could see it.

Yep. He’s mentioned quite a lot recently being the most successful player ever. I think that’s a clue. And like you say his post-match interviews gave it away too.

And I’m starting to think he can win that 7th.

Iranu wrote:I think what we need to remember is that every player, including top players, loses to players they shouldn’t.

The difference is Ronnie’s the only one who’s been good enough to build up such a strong record against so many good players.

Georgi1914 wrote:

vodkadiet1 wrote:Hendry's record is safe, There is no way O'Sulivan wins another world title now, Age is already catching up with him, as it does with everybody. It was a brave effort to catch Hendry's 7 world titles but tonight the chance vanished in to the dust.

Hendry > O'Sullivan

Do you have a small peacock?

Iranu wrote:I think what we need to remember is that every player, including top players, loses to players they shouldn’t.

The difference is Ronnie’s the only one who’s been good enough to build up such a strong record against so many good players.

Iranu wrote:

csprince wrote:

Iranu wrote:

Andre147 wrote:Imagine Ronnie losing last year's decider to Selby... that would have been way way way way way worse than today.

Yes we have every right to be gutted, but boy I'm so happy he didn't lose that decider against Selby.

The rest of Ronnie’s career should be a free ride.

Except I think he REALLY wants that 7th now.

i think that's been the case for the last 2/3 seasons trying to get the balance of enjoying it and still being able to compete.

I think he had that balance until he got the sixth. Then the seventh became a potential reality.

Andre147 wrote:https://wst.tv/mcgill-stuns-champ-osullivan/

“There’s no reason why I can’t win it again, but I have long gone past playing snooker for a living. I am a bit like Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus in golf, they are still a presence because of what they have achieved.

“If I said goodbye to the Crucible and to playing I would be saying goodbye to a lot of good things that are happening in snooker for me, and I don’t really want to do that. It’s better for me to play because my sponsors get excited when I get my cue out of the case.”

And from this you can tell he believes he can win another, also said needs to keeps working with Steve Peters to help him focus on the main job at hand. He'll definately have a good shot at winning another world title I do believe.

Pink Ball wrote:

Iranu wrote:I think what we need to remember is that every player, including top players, loses to players they shouldn’t.

The difference is Ronnie’s the only one who’s been good enough to build up such a strong record against so many good players.

This is precisely why Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest player of all time. If emotions came into it, I'd prefer Hendry to take it, but emotions cannot come into it. O'Sullivan's record stands up better than anyone else's.

But buck him, he's out this year, and I'm happy he's gone.

Juddernaut88 wrote:Ace are you feeling confident about Judds chances this year? I'm just taking it one game at a time at the moment and not getting carried away. Really hope he can do it this year though.

vodkadiet1 wrote:

Pink Ball wrote:

Iranu wrote:I think what we need to remember is that every player, including top players, loses to players they shouldn’t.

The difference is Ronnie’s the only one who’s been good enough to build up such a strong record against so many good players.

This is precisely why Ronnie O'Sullivan is the greatest player of all time. If emotions came into it, I'd prefer Hendry to take it, but emotions cannot come into it. O'Sullivan's record stands up better than anyone else's.

But buck him, he's out this year, and I'm happy he's gone.

Hendry's record is better where it counts the most. Hendry > O'Sullivan.