Betfred World Championship Final K.Wilson v R.O'Sullivan !!!

BringBackTonyDrago wrote:So if anyone wants to spot me I have a yellow top on next to a guy with a light suit blazer jacket on side and other side tartan long shirt lol.

Had a quick look rewatched a little of the match, made you out! You're 2nd or third row near the stairs, yellow side! Didn't see your face though, will rewatch a bit of that match later just to overindulge on this 7yyears late victory!

I've considered it but dunno if I'll ever go to see a live snooker match, maybe I should Ronnie's still winning but he's 44! Closest event to me is the Masters. (I live in Hackney, Ronnie lived there too when younger with his grandparents or at least he stayed with them at times)

Some coincidence, my sister's former colleague happens to be a niece of the man Ronnie Senior murdered. They went to court not expecting to win but they did. Yes that derailed Ronnie's early career... It's frightening how much they look alike https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02 ... 68x586.jpg

Oh Ronnie's not the GOAT yet, he still needs to beat Eliot Slessor! Let's throw in Mark King as he has a negative H2H with him AND John Parrott has a very commanding H2H vs Ronnie!

Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Ronnie's biggest rival will always be Higgins, same generation, lots and lots of big matches played.

Selby probably comes 2nd.

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Not sure about that. Think ROS-Higgins is still the biggest rivalry but his rivalry with Selby is really great as well.

Andre147 wrote:

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Ronnie's biggest rival will always be Higgins, same generation, lots and lots of big matches played.

Selby probably comes 2nd.

Yes I agree with this. But the ROS-Selby rivalry definitely gets more interesting with each match.

Holden Chinaski wrote:Great post, SnookerArcher. Nice to see another positive Ronnie fan who believes in his chances.

Thank you! I wish Jimmy delivered in at least one of his 6 finals, Ronnie is a way seeing Jimmy win for me! Yeah it puzzles me how anyone that has seen Ronnie play for years would doubt he can ever win the world title again, especially if he intends to play till 50 (Hope longer).. Just never know with him, that's the fun and frustration, he's not a serial winner the way Davis and Hendry were but he gets wins often when people stop believing! I dread to think how much money people have lost betting on his erratic career. Oh one guy I know from the casino said he betted £40000 on Ronnie vs Dott! He was squirming first session with Ronnie's poor start , it worked out though.
Great as that win against Selby if Ronnie had fallen short of winning the title after that, that would have been such a wasted victory, not begrudging Kyren he's a good guy on that alone he deserves to win... (I definitely wasn't pleased Ronnie didn't win the North Ireland final after beating his nemesis Selby on the way, especially with how awesome that decider was. Nevermind that event's relatively small money and a lot of effort to win it with so many rounds)

Ronnie vs Selby is Van Helsing vs Dracula haha, it would be like Ronnie vs Hendry except Ronnie's in Hendry's position now, similar age gaps between them. Taxing as Selby is when I've heard Ronnie answer who he finds are his toughest opponents, besides Elliot Slessor hehe (0-2) he says Higgins, Hendry and Trump (Odd at first sight but Ronnie does seem to bring out the best in him, you'd think Trump would have a better win record overall across the field but he often falls to not so great players more than he should and Trump has a good record vs Selby last I checked) but no never heard Ronnie ever put Selby on the list of his toughest.... It's telling too he didn't class him as a great even though he's contradicted himself to my chagrin saying Selby's the best player on Eurosport in 2018 (Clearly he wasn't being dumped by Joe Perry 9-4 in the Crucible first round)
(I liked how the BBC tried to make it appear a tragedy, with him walking out eating a packet of crisps... )
Plus Ronnie prematch saying no one can beat Selby over 4 sessions ARGH. I know he's a humble lad but he takes it too far sometimes. I hope we get to see a Ronnie vs Williams world final someday! Pity they met QF this year, if only it was the finals or at least semis.

Your mate Vodka said he can kill you by looking at you, he's either Superman or Cyclops.

Holden Chinaski wrote:

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Not sure about that. Think ROS-Higgins is still the biggest rivalry but his rivalry with Selby is really great as well.

It definitely speaks for ROS and his longevity how many classic rivalries he's had. Hendry,Higgins,Selby and even Trump. Completely different generation of players.

TheRocket wrote:

Holden Chinaski wrote:

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Not sure about that. Think ROS-Higgins is still the biggest rivalry but his rivalry with Selby is really great as well.

It definitely speaks for ROS and his longevity how many classic rivalries he's had. Hendry,Higgins,Selby and even Trump. Completely different generation of players.

It's insane really. He has a rivalry with MJW as well in a way, but Ronnie dominates that one. And of course there's also Carter...

The H2H between them really isn't that close, with Ronnie leading 19-10 overall and 12-8 in real matches. The main source of rivalry is that so many of Selby's wins against Ronnie have been in really big matches, including the most painful loss of Ronnie's career...

D4P wrote:The H2H between them really isn't that close, with Ronnie leading 19-10 overall and 12-8 in real matches. The main source of rivalry is that so many of Selby's wins against Ronnie have been in really big matches, including the most painful loss of Ronnie's career...

Exactly. Ronnie has always had the superior H2H but Selbys wins came in the big matches. But its fair to say that in big matches Ronnie has beaten Selby as many times as Selby beat him. Lets take a look at the multi session matches.

Selbys big wins: Welsh Open final 2008, Masters final 2010, World Quarterfinal 2010, World final 2014, UK Final 2016

ROS big wins: UK Semifinal 2007, Masters Final 2009, UK Quarterfinal 2009, Masters final 2014, World Semifinal 2020

D4P wrote:The H2H between them really isn't that close, with Ronnie leading 19-10 overall and 12-8 in real matches. The main source of rivalry is that so many of Selby's wins against Ronnie have been in really big matches, including the most painful loss of Ronnie's career...

Exactly Ronnie generally leads his H2Hs with elites, besides Trump who he's tied with and John Parrott who has battered him for some reason, Mark King has a 5 - 4 record if you can class him as an elite. Selby fans and Higgins fans who are ignorant of facts like to post their player ALWAYS beats Ronnie.... Or that Selby kicked Ronnie's bottom in 2014 18-14 is not kicking someone's bottom, from my knowledge of Ronnie losses to Selby they're respectable scorelines often wtih Selby making big comebacks, not Ronnie being demolished.

The only thing for me that would have made it okay for me with Selby winning this year is that he could dedicate his win to Willie Thorne. I despised Kobe Bryant but if the Lakers win this year they can dedicate it to him, I'm a LeBron James fan so they have to win anyway!

Is a cliche but when Ronnie's at his best he's unbeatable, Selby's antics are useless if he can't get on the table. Which suits the shorter formats of course. Ronnie schooled Selby in the Masters 2016 QF and Welsh Open it was lovely!

These players are in the Champion of Champions

Neil Robertson (CoC, European Masters, World Grand Prix)
Ding Junhui (UK Championship)
Stuart Bingham (Masters)
Ronnie O'Sullivan (World Championship)
Judd Trump (Northern Ireland Open, German Masters, Players Ch, Gibralter Open)
Scott Donaldson (BetVictor Championship League)
Luca Brecel (Matchroom Championship League)
Stephen Maguire (Tour Championship)
Mark Selby (Scottish Open)
Shaun Murphy (Welsh Open)
Kyren Wilson (World Championship Runner Up)
Michael Holt (Shoot Out)

There are 5 events to go

European Masters
Championship League
English Open
Shoot Out
World Seniors

Holden Chinaski wrote:Great post, SnookerArcher. Nice to see another positive Ronnie fan who believes in his chances.

+1

TheRocket wrote:

Andre147 wrote:

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Ronnie's biggest rival will always be Higgins, same generation, lots and lots of big matches played.

Selby probably comes 2nd.

Yes I agree with this. But the ROS-Selby rivalry definitely gets more interesting with each match.

+1

TheRocket wrote:

D4P wrote:The H2H between them really isn't that close, with Ronnie leading 19-10 overall and 12-8 in real matches. The main source of rivalry is that so many of Selby's wins against Ronnie have been in really big matches, including the most painful loss of Ronnie's career...

Exactly. Ronnie has always had the superior H2H but Selbys wins came in the big matches. But its fair to say that in big matches Ronnie has beaten Selby as many times as Selby beat him. Lets take a look at the multi session matches.

Selbys big wins: Welsh Open final 2008, Masters final 2010, World Quarterfinal 2010, World final 2014, UK Final 2016

ROS big wins: UK Semifinal 2007, Masters Final 2009, UK Quarterfinal 2009, Masters final 2014, World Semifinal 2020

Selby is the only player to have beaten Ronnie in all of the so called triple crown finals and the only player to have beaten him in a World Final and when you consider how he won that 18-14 from 10-5 down Ronnie could have easily have been NOW on 7 World Titles.

The O'Sullivan-Selby rivalry has had a needle to it the O'Sullivan-Higgins misses. I think O'Sullivan-Selby might be the greatest rivalry of them all.

Wildey wrote:These players are in the Champion of Champions

Neil Robertson (CoC, European Masters, World Grand Prix)
Ding Junhui (UK Championship)
Stuart Bingham (Masters)
Ronnie O'Sullivan (World Championship)
Judd Trump (Northern Ireland Open, German Masters, Players Ch, Gibralter Open)
Scott Donaldson (BetVictor Championship League)
Luca Brecel (Matchroom Championship League)
Stephen Maguire (Tour Championship)
Mark Selby (Scottish Open)
Shaun Murphy (Welsh Open)
Kyren Wilson (World Championship Runner Up)
Michael Holt (Shoot Out)

There are 5 events to go

European Masters
Championship League
English Open
Shoot Out
World Seniors

Ronnie's record in CoC is brilliant. I didn't watch it last year as I was abroad (Oh wait I watched him vs Jimmy White and think I watched a bit of him losing to Neil, who I used to dislike put him in the same category as Murphy and Selby but I've cut Murphy slack recently after he's stopped bashing Ronnie's 'unprofessionalism' and Murphy is a decent player very positive and fun to watch, Robbo also a brilliant potter and I liked the all aussie finals with Ronnie last year ) and got wind that he didn't win anyway but I know before then he always made the final besides 2015 when he didn't compete. Felt bad for Kyren in 2018 after his monumental comeback, derailed with Ronnie's cross double snooker fluke, I can imagine how Selby would have reacted to that!

That would make the event, Ronnie vs Selby and it comes down to a close decider where Ronnie does that crazy cross double to fluke a snooker!

Postmatch 'He's disrespected me and the sport again. I know I'm called the jester but I'm not here to be made a fool of.'

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Ronnie-Higgins will always be the bigger one they are from the same generation and their matches span from the 90s to present, and they've played in big matches too but the difference is it's more of a respectable rivalry, ask Higgins who is his biggest rival and he'd say Ronnie

Ronnie-Selby is 2nd biggest, Selby is a generation after Ronnie but they had more career defining rivalries and the tension was higher between those 2. Funny enough Selby's biggest rival would be ROS, not Robertson or Murphy

Ronnie-Trump would be prolly be 4th biggest if you count Ronnie-Hendry as #3, Trump is like 2-3 generations after Ronnie

List of Triple Crown Winners

Ronnie O'Sullivan 20
Stephen Hendry 18
Steve Davis 15
John Higgins 9
Mark Selby 8
Mark Williams 7
Ray Reardon 7
Alex Higgins 5
Neil Robertson 4
Ding Junhui 4
John Spencer 4
Cliff Thorburn 4
Judd Trump 3
Shaun Murphy 3
Paul Hunter 3
Doug Mountjoy 3
Terry Griffiths 3

Since 2014, Ronnie has won 5/7 matches vs Selby, 6/8 if you wanna count Championship league just based on their rivalry. Selby never managed to get on top of him

Acé wrote:

TheRocket wrote:Would you guys rate Selby as a bigger rival for ROS than Higgins? I know a few Snookerfans who think like that now because of the amount of big matches they played against each other. And the clash of styles between ROS and Selby is even more obvious and bigger than it is with ROS-Higgins.

On the other hand ROS and Higgins is the most prolific rivalry and they are from the same generation.

Ronnie-Higgins will always be the bigger one they are from the same generation and their matches span from the 90s to present, and they've played in big matches too but the difference is it's more of a respectable rivalry, ask Higgins who is his biggest rival and he'd say Ronnie

Ronnie-Selby is 2nd biggest, Selby is a generation after Ronnie but they had more career defining rivalries and the tension was higher between those 2. Funny enough Selby's bigger rival would be ROS, not Robertson or Murphy

Ronnie-Trump would be prolly be 4th biggest if you count Ronnie-Hendry as #3, Trump is like 2-3 generations after Ronnie

It puzzles me why Higgins who is just over half a year older than Ronnie can look SO much older! I put it down to a health issue but never found any info on Higgins aging so much since 2011. I thought he was a generation older than Ronnie at one point!

I love a clash of style and a bit of needle. Selby-O'Sullivan does it for me in a big way.

SnookerArcher wrote:It puzzles me why Higgins who is just over half a year older than Ronnie can look SO much older! I put it down to a health issue but never found any info on Higgins aging so much since 2011. I thought he was a generation older than Ronnie at one point!

Ronnie has Italian genes in him that gets it from his mum, i went to italy 3 years ago and the men/women look much better on average than people in the UK especially the women, it's MILF town over there

Wildey wrote:List of Triple Crown Winners

Ronnie O'Sullivan 20
Stephen Hendry 18
Steve Davis 15
John Higgins 9
Mark Selby 8
Mark Williams 7
Ray Reardon 7
Alex Higgins 5
Neil Robertson 4
Ding Junhui 4
John Spencer 4
Cliff Thorburn 4
Judd Trump 3
Shaun Murphy 3
Paul Hunter 3
Doug Mountjoy 3
Terry Griffiths 3

Crazy to think that if you started with Judd's number and added Steve Davis, you would still be 2 short of Ronnie.

Or, if you started with Higgins and added Williams, you'd still be 4 short of Ronnie.

Pink Ball wrote:I love a clash of style and a bit of needle. Selby-O'Sullivan does it for me in a big way.

I Think theres a bit of needle with Trump but you dont get the Clash of styles


Alex Higgins v Steve Davis had the clash and the needle but Alex never won enough big matches against Steve Davis


Yea i think Ronnie v Selby ticks all the boxes and does make it Snooker's Greatest rivelry ever for me


Honest to god i thought Selby would come unstuck against Ronnie this year and lose comfterbly but there was non of it Ronnie went from 5-3 up to 13-9 down Selby definitly missed the boat in that session 14-10 was more than gettable but even when Ronnie came back at him Selby still managed to pull clear again then Ronnie started his hit and hope stuff he was running out of ideas. lost one frame playing like that but won the others.

D4P wrote:

Wildey wrote:List of Triple Crown Winners

Ronnie O'Sullivan 20
Stephen Hendry 18
Steve Davis 15
John Higgins 9
Mark Selby 8
Mark Williams 7
Ray Reardon 7
Alex Higgins 5
Neil Robertson 4
Ding Junhui 4
John Spencer 4
Cliff Thorburn 4
Judd Trump 3
Shaun Murphy 3
Paul Hunter 3
Doug Mountjoy 3
Terry Griffiths 3

Crazy to think that if you started with Judd's number and added Steve Davis, you would still be 2 short of Ronnie.

Or, if you started with Higgins and added Williams, you'd still be 4 short of Ronnie.

With all due respect to Kyren Selby came within a whisker of equaling John Higgins on Triple Crowns and World Championship.

I Think Selby will be a bigger player this coming season than he has been for 3 years.

I think to describe what O'Sullivan did in the last five frames against Selby this year as 'hit and hope' is a bit of a broad brush. Yes, he was certainly hitting and hoping with some shots, some quite dramatically. But what he did at the close of the match was, as I've said before, the most audacious display of snooker talent we've ever seen.

The hit-and-hope shots will be best remembered, but the vast majority of his shots were just bang on the money.

I don't think Ronnie was even hoping to win those frames with the hit and hope they were played just to end the frames quick time, release any tension in his arm so he could flow freely and move on with the next so his rhythm doesn't get bogged down

go watch the ronnie-hendry instagram video where Ronnie said if he played Selby again he wouldn't get bogged down again and would prefer to lose a frame or 2 quick because then he can win 3 on the spin by not losing rhythm, those were his exact words and they came out right lmao

Pink Ball wrote:I think to describe what O'Sullivan did in the last five frames against Selby this year as 'hit and hope' is a bit of a broad brush. Yes, he was certainly hitting and hoping with some shots, some quite dramatically. But what he did at the close of the match was, as I've said before, the most audacious display of snooker talent we've ever seen.

The hit-and-hope shots will be best remembered, but the vast majority of his shots were just bang on the money.

He still hit and hoped even in the frames he won he went for some brilliant pots that was odds against and got them had he just miss judged them he would be out no other player would have played like that 16-14 down it was Dodge a bullett snooker and he survived at the time i thought it was entertaining snooker no doubt but had it not worked many on here would have been criticising him for it.

Wildey wrote:With all due respect to Kyren Selby came within a whisker of equaling John Higgins on Triple Crowns and World Championship.

I Think Selby will be a bigger player this coming season than he has been for 3 years.

Yeah, Selby said he has started working with Chris Henry, which could be a big boost to his confidence and mindset.