by Badsnookerplayer » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Andre147 wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
I was more confident last 2 seasons though than this one.
Like I said, if he does reach one table setup, that's when I'll change my mind.
At the moment, I would give Higgins more of chance of reaching a 4th consecutive final than Ronnie reaching another.
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by D4P » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Andre147 wrote:At the moment, I would give Higgins more of chance of reaching a 4th consecutive final than Ronnie reaching another.
Unless...it has been part of Ronnie's sinister plan all along to save himself for the Crucible...
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Badsnookerplayer wrote:Andre147 wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
I was more confident last 2 seasons though than this one.
Like I said, if he does reach one table setup, that's when I'll change my mind.
At the moment, I would give Higgins more of chance of reaching a 4th consecutive final than Ronnie reaching another.
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by eraserhead » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Andre147 wrote:At the moment, I would give Higgins more of chance of reaching a 4th consecutive final than Ronnie reaching another.
Please no
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by Badsnookerplayer » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Andre147 wrote:Badsnookerplayer wrote:Andre147 wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
I was more confident last 2 seasons though than this one.
Like I said, if he does reach one table setup, that's when I'll change my mind.
At the moment, I would give Higgins more of chance of reaching a 4th consecutive final than Ronnie reaching another.
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by Prop » 24 Feb 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
I dunno. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong or illogical with what you’re saying. Nobody can pick apart your prediction with any more or less legitimacy than in your own statement. But deep down we all know he’s not winning another. He’s just not, is he?
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by carayip » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:carayip wrote:Wildey wrote:Andre147 wrote:Wildey wrote:Mathematically Ronnie can still get to Llandudno if he wins in Gibralter and results going his way next week but realistically his next match will be at the Crucible
I asked that question and Prop answered he can't make it even if he wins Gibraltar, which he wont enter anyway i think.
Basically if Higgins loses to Dott next week he has a glimmer of hope but if Higgins beats Dott that's it
Should Higgins lost to Dott, Dott would have more money than ROS even with the Gibraltar title
Ronnie would be on £147,500 if he wins Gibralter and Dott on 146,250 with win over Higgins
Quarter final in PC is worth £15000
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by TheRocket » 24 Feb 2020 Read
statisticially this has probably been his worst season since 2010/2011. You can say 2016/2017 wasnt that great but he won the Masters and got to two ranking event finals + the CoC final that season.
Only the WC can save his current season now. But if he won it would suddenly become a fantastic season. Thats how important the WC is.
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by eraserhead » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Anyway to find out who's playing when for players champs?
Want to get the prediction template up.
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
if it wasn't for that blunder forgetting the rules, Amiri could have knocked Holt out.
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
TheRocket wrote:statisticially this has probably been his worst season since 2010/2011. You can say 2016/2017 wasnt that great but he won the Masters and got to two ranking event finals + the CoC final that season.
Only the WC can save his current season now. But if he won it would suddenly become a fantastic season. Thats how important the WC is.
Yes it would. This season has been a strange one... He lost tight matches v top players which otherwise might have gone his way and would be sitting here with 1 or 2 ranking titles.
We shall see how he fares at The Crucible.
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by Wildey » 24 Feb 2020 Read
D4P wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
Agreed. Not playing in the PC will be much better for Ronnie than losing to Trump, and if he plays in the WC this season, he'll do so with less external pressure than he has felt for the past however many seasons.
Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
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by vodkadiet1 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
O'Sullivan got what he deserved for cheating. If he had declared the foul on himself he would have had a clear conscience. He brought bad Karma on himself. He must learn to stop cheating. Twice this has backfired on him.
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:D4P wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
Agreed. Not playing in the PC will be much better for Ronnie than losing to Trump, and if he plays in the WC this season, he'll do so with less external pressure than he has felt for the past however many seasons.
Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
It's way different to the previous 2 seasons, but I'll say I don't expect much, probably a Quarter-Final defeat or worst.
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by D4P » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Maybe, but that would be a different kind of pressure from the pressure of being the favorite to win. I'm still holding out belief that part of what Ronnie tried to accomplish this season was to arrive at the Crucible with 2-3 other players ahead of him on the favorites list...
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
D4P wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Maybe, but that would be a different kind of pressure from the pressure of being the favorite to win. I'm still holding out belief that part of what Ronnie tried to accomplish this season was to arrive at the Crucible with 2-3 other players ahead of him on the favorites list...
No way he would have planned this, yes it's happened but that's just how it goes.
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Michael Holt, ranking event winner.
How does this sound to you Wild?
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by D4P » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Andre147 wrote:D4P wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Maybe, but that would be a different kind of pressure from the pressure of being the favorite to win. I'm still holding out belief that part of what Ronnie tried to accomplish this season was to arrive at the Crucible with 2-3 other players ahead of him on the favorites list...
No way he would have planned this, yes it's happened but that's just how it goes.
He certainly must have planned (or at least, chosen) to play exhibition style snooker for much of this season...
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by Prop » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:D4P wrote:TheRocket wrote:Tbh. The way ROS season gone so far I would say the most likely scenario would have been a first round defeat to Trump at the PC.
The two month break until the WC could work in his advantage. Wouldnt be the first time he wins a title after a longer break.
Completely different situation we have now compared to the last two years where he was winning so many tournaments and entered the WC as the top favourite.
Agreed. Not playing in the PC will be much better for Ronnie than losing to Trump, and if he plays in the WC this season, he'll do so with less external pressure than he has felt for the past however many seasons.
Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Exactly. This idea of Ronnie being under less pressure than at some other point in recent history [insert season to support flawed argument] to win the Worlds is completely missing the point. He’ll always be under huge pressure to win another. Whether he’s had a great season, a crap one, or somewhere in between.
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
D4P wrote:Andre147 wrote:D4P wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Maybe, but that would be a different kind of pressure from the pressure of being the favorite to win. I'm still holding out belief that part of what Ronnie tried to accomplish this season was to arrive at the Crucible with 2-3 other players ahead of him on the favorites list...
No way he would have planned this, yes it's happened but that's just how it goes.
He certainly must have planned (or at least, chosen) to play exhibition style snooker for much of this season...
he did but he wasn't thinking of The Crucible, he just wasn't with the right mindset to play proper snooker.
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by Iranu » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Zhou whitewashed in consecutive finals.
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by D4P » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Prop wrote:Exactly. This idea of Ronnie being under less pressure than in some other point in recent history [insert season to support flawed argument] to win the Worlds is completely missing the point. He’ll always be under huge pressure to win another. Whether he’s had a great season, a crap one, or somewhere in between.
I am distinguishing between "pressure Ronnie feels to equal/pass Hendry's WC record" and "pressure Ronnie feels as the favorite to win the WC, because of having had a great season".
There's nothing Ronnie can do to decrease the first type of pressure, but he does have some degree of control over the second, and his season thus far has (arguably) served to reduce the second type of pressure...
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by HappyCamper » 24 Feb 2020 Read
masterdoctorgenius wrote:HappyCamper wrote:masterdoctorgenius wrote:That means Zhao doesnt qualify
Zhou too!
how
neither zhou nor zhao qualified for the players champ.
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by HappyCamper » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Wildey wrote:carayip wrote:Wildey wrote:Andre147 wrote:Wildey wrote:Mathematically Ronnie can still get to Llandudno if he wins in Gibralter and results going his way next week but realistically his next match will be at the Crucible
I asked that question and Prop answered he can't make it even if he wins Gibraltar, which he wont enter anyway i think.
Basically if Higgins loses to Dott next week he has a glimmer of hope but if Higgins beats Dott that's it
Should Higgins lost to Dott, Dott would have more money than ROS even with the Gibraltar title
Ronnie would be on £147,500 if he wins Gibralter and Dott on 146,250 with win over Higgins
dott would be on 136,350 + 15,000 = 151,350 then, no?
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by Andre147 » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Forget that, Ronnie won't even play Gibraltar lol.
His next match is at the World Championsips next April.
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by Badsnookerplayer » 24 Feb 2020 Read
D4P wrote:Andre147 wrote:D4P wrote:Wildey wrote:Ronnie will have more pressure to salvage a disastrous campaign for him
Maybe, but that would be a different kind of pressure from the pressure of being the favorite to win. I'm still holding out belief that part of what Ronnie tried to accomplish this season was to arrive at the Crucible with 2-3 other players ahead of him on the favorites list...
No way he would have planned this, yes it's happened but that's just how it goes.
He certainly must have planned (or at least, chosen) to play exhibition style snooker for much of this season...
Don't mean to shatter illusions but he just hasn't been good enough.
He has not chosen to lose - just not been good enough.
I am sure he will win in the future - maybe even a WC - but at the moment he is nowhere near top 8 standard let alone Robbo or Judd standard. Nobody goes into a snooker match choosing to lose.
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by eraserhead » 24 Feb 2020 Read
Badsnookerplayer wrote:I am sure he will win in the future - maybe even a WC - but at the moment he is nowhere near top 8 standard let alone Robbo or Judd standard. Nobody goes into a snooker match choosing to lose.
Sad thing is he's definitely a top 8 player even in this form.
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by HustleKing » 24 Feb 2020 Read
eraserhead wrote:Badsnookerplayer wrote:I am sure he will win in the future - maybe even a WC - but at the moment he is nowhere near top 8 standard let alone Robbo or Judd standard. Nobody goes into a snooker match choosing to lose.
Sad thing is he's definitely a top 8 player even in this form.
Yeah, other than Neil and Judd, no one else is consistently much better than Ronnie this season
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by D4P » 24 Feb 2020 Read
There is a difference between "choosing to lose" and "not trying one's hardest to win".
Put another way, there is a difference between "playing in such a way that the probability of winning is 0" and "playing in such a way that the probability of winning is lower than it would be if you played in some other way".
Playing exhibition style snooker (in real snooker matches) isn't playing in order to maximize the chances of losing, but it also isn't playing in order to maximize the chances of winning, either.
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by McManusFan » 24 Feb 2020 Read
HustleKing wrote:eraserhead wrote:Badsnookerplayer wrote:I am sure he will win in the future - maybe even a WC - but at the moment he is nowhere near top 8 standard let alone Robbo or Judd standard. Nobody goes into a snooker match choosing to lose.
Sad thing is he's definitely a top 8 player even in this form.
Yeah, other than Neil and Judd, no one else is consistently much better than Ronnie this season
Gilbert got to a final and two semis. I'm not saying he's a better player than Ronnie, but he has been much more consistenly good than him this season.
Shaun Murphy too.
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