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Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Iranu wrote:Yeah I know what you mean.

It would be hilarious though if he won the Shoot Out and retired on the spot. (But actually retired this time.)


Cloud Strife would probably throw himself off a bridge.

Edit. I hope that joke wasn't in poor taste.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerEd25 » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wildey wrote:It's hardly caught on to keep Brodcasters happy either. It's been on sky, itv and now eurosport. In 10 years


Just wait until it's on the BBC; then it will be part of the 'fantastic four' events that stand above all others.
<doh>

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

SnookerEd25 wrote:
Wildey wrote:It's hardly caught on to keep Brodcasters happy either. It's been on sky, itv and now eurosport. In 10 years


Just wait until it's on the BBC; then it will be part of the 'fantastic four' events that stand above all others.
<doh>


rofl rofl rofl

THE QUARDUPLE CROWN!

People will be wearing a crown on their waistcoat to signify that they won the Shoot-Out.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby McManusFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

SnookerFan wrote:
McManusFan wrote:He's not going to win the shootout anyway, Angles is going to whitewash him in their opening match.


Isn't every match in the Shoot-Out a whitewash? You win 1-0 or you lose 1-0.

Or do they count the frame score?


Yes every match is a whitewash, and hence all the matches are boring and one sided...

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Dan-cat wrote:No it wouldnt be hilarious. It would be devestating. The Ronnie storyline in the soap opera that is Snooker has a good few storylines left in it yet.


That's because.....

IT SHOULDN'T BE A RANKING EVENT!

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

McManusFan wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:
McManusFan wrote:He's not going to win the shootout anyway, Angles is going to whitewash him in their opening match.


Isn't every match in the Shoot-Out a whitewash? You win 1-0 or you lose 1-0.

Or do they count the frame score?


Yes every match is a whitewash, and hence all the matches are boring and one sided...


As long as your opponent needs two..... :gag:

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Dan-cat wrote:For once the phrase 'you cant get your breath' might be approximately true.


You couldn't get your breath for ten minutes?

I'd get yourself to A&E mate.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Wildey » 18 Feb 2020 Read

If Ronnie wins this thing he will still be on 36 rankers this does not count no matter what anyone says.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Pink Ball wrote:
Wildey wrote:If Ronnie wins this thing he will still be on 36 rankers this does not count no matter what anyone says.

No. It DOES count, no matter what YOU say.


Unfortunately, Pinkball is right. It counts towards a players rank, therefore it is a ranking event.

Making it a ranking event is a borderline immoral decision, but that doesn't mean the decision wasn't made.

It is one.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Wildey » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Pink Ball wrote:
Wildey wrote:If Ronnie wins this thing he will still be on 36 rankers this does not count no matter what anyone says.

No. It DOES count, no matter what YOU say.

It only counts if so called fans give it some credibility if we stick together and says no it means bucking NO

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wildey wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:
Wildey wrote:If Ronnie wins this thing he will still be on 36 rankers this does not count no matter what anyone says.

No. It DOES count, no matter what YOU say.

It only counts if so called fans give it some credibility if we stick together and says no it means bucking NO


I would agree that we should all stand together and overcome this absolute travesty of a decision, but I think it's only me and you that care about it. rofl

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Wildey » 18 Feb 2020 Read

If Websites and organizations independent of World Snooker when compiling a list ignores Shoot Out from their records what is World Snooker going to do Cry?

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wildey wrote:If Websites and organizations independent of World Snooker when compiling a list ignores Shoot Out from their records what is World Snooker going to do Cry?


I don't suppose they'd care.

Nice though it'd be to assume Barry Hearn was on this site taking notes of our comments, he really isn't doing that.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby lhpirnie » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wildey wrote:If Websites and organizations independent of World Snooker when compiling a list ignores Shoot Out from their records what is World Snooker going to do Cry?

My hope is that in the future everyone will just forget about the 'ranking tournament' concept. I hear 'ranking tournament' and 'ranking points' too often. The proper distinction should be 'major tournaments', which would include the Masters. Champion of Champions, etc. It's easy to come up with a set of criteria for them. Also, 'ranking points' is the real evil - a system dating back to 1977 which is totally inadequate to deal with the the tour structure we have now. Does WST not think we have moved on since 1977?

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

lhpirnie wrote:
Wildey wrote:If Websites and organizations independent of World Snooker when compiling a list ignores Shoot Out from their records what is World Snooker going to do Cry?

My hope is that in the future everyone will just forget about the 'ranking tournament' concept. I hear 'ranking tournament' and 'ranking points' too often. The proper distinction should be 'major tournaments', which would include the Masters. Champion of Champions, etc. It's easy to come up with a set of criteria for them. Also, 'ranking points' is the real evil - a system dating back to 1977 which is totally inadequate to deal with the the tour structure we have now. Does WST not think we have moved on since 1977?


Not sure that the majors is the best way to judge.

Winning a lot of ranking events shows consistency. A player could peak for when the UK or Champion of Champions is on and then do nothing for ages after that.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Iranu » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Majors is no better as it’s pretty nebulous. What constitutes a major? History? Prize money? Prestige? Quality of the field? Is the Shanghai Masters a major? Is the Welsh Open a major because it’s such a long-running tournament?

Personally I think people should stop worrying about ranking titles, majors etc so much, and stop worrying about ranking points aside from cut-offs for tour survival and tournaments/seeding.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Prop » 18 Feb 2020 Read

SnookerFan wrote:
Wildey wrote:If Websites and organizations independent of World Snooker when compiling a list ignores Shoot Out from their records what is World Snooker going to do Cry?


I don't suppose they'd care.

Nice though it'd be to assume Barry Hearn was on this site taking notes of our comments, he really isn't doing that.

If Barry Hearn read this thread he’d be sat cackling. He knew exactly what he was doing in making it count as a ranker. All the fanfare and controversy feeds his marketing agenda.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Wildey » 18 Feb 2020 Read

The point is being completely lost on here by some


Its not Even Snooker so how can it be added to bucking records of a different sport :shrug: :?


its like comparing Pool and Snooker or Prostitution with a Blind Date absolutely ridiculous

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Andre147 » 18 Feb 2020 Read

It's played with 15 reds plus all the colours, so according to WST this is an offcial event with ranking points.

I dont think the 6 reds could be a ranker for instance.

It's wrong yes, but that's how it is.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wildey wrote:The point is being completely lost on here by some


Its not Even Snooker so how can it be added to bucking records of a different sport :shrug: :?


its like comparing Pool and Snooker or Prostitution with a Blind Date absolutely ridiculous


I'm not disagreeing with you. It is as bad a 6-reds, pool or 3-cushion billiards being awarded ranking points.

But the point you don't seem to be grasping is, that is HAS been added to the ranking events and is added to the records. I believe it to be wrong, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Murder is wrong, doesn't mean I pretend nobody has ever done it.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby Andre147 » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Wild can't possible phantom a ranking event being played with Shoot-Out rules.

I get it, but we as fans need to accept it. Remember the players voted and more than 50% were in favour of it.

Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Andre147 wrote:Wild can't possible phantom a ranking event being played with Shoot-Out rules.

I get it, but we as fans need to accept it. Remember the players voted and more than 50% were in favour of it.


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Re: BetVictor Snooker Shootout!!!!!

Postby SnookerFan » 18 Feb 2020 Read

Andre147 wrote:I get it, but we as fans need to accept it. Remember the players voted and more than 50% were in favour of it.


They were in favour of keeping it, but they were never given the option to keep it as a tournament and remove it's ranking status. That was smoke and mirrors by Hearn. He knew the majority of players who needed the earning opportunity would never vote for it to be removed entirely. His insistence that this vote proves anything is quite frankly embarrassing for somebody of his intellect.

Saying that, you're right. I'm probably more guilty of this than Wild. It is a ranking event, and it's not going to change. So I should let it go. But I find that incredibly difficult, because it' such a horrible decision. There's no reason to keep it as a ranking event, other than Hearn's stubbornness. He feels it would be like admitting a mistake.
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