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This crowd is either clueless about Snooker or really hard to get an applause from them.

Like this all week.

Brexit happened because too many 'Gammon' exist in these towns where there are far too many inbreds.

Iranu wrote:I wish we could have another Brexit vote now we've seen how badly it's been bungked by the government.

Obviously it won't happen and I don't necessarily think it should... but I'd be interested to see if it came out with the same result. I doubt it.

Agree. What a mess. I suspect if it went before the people again the result would be different and we'd be the better for it.

vodkadiet wrote:

Cloud Strife wrote:

vodkadiet wrote:Brexit is in tatters this evening!

Time to get rid of Theresa May and bring in someone with a backbone who can negotiate properly.

A name?

Me or Jeremy Corbyn.

Stunning match.

Both players should feel proud with their effort

Well played Judd, responded well when he needed to. Hopefully Xintong will get to the tv stages again soon.

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Loving this match

Good call on a Trump comeback.

Badsnookerplayer wrote:Stunning match.

Both players should feel proud with their effort

In terms of sheer quality this is up there with one of the best Best of 7s.

vodkadiet wrote:Brexit happened because too many 'Gammon' exist in these towns where there are far too many inbreds.

Problem with the middle classes is they don't like democracy when it doesn't give them the answer they want.

TheRocket wrote:

Cloud Strife wrote:

TheRocket wrote:I call myself a Social democrat or Middle-Left man but the left has lost the plot in recent years.

They're rather busy with things like extreme feminism and stuff like that instead of solving the real problems of the working-class people and care for their concerns.

No doubt there is racism and sexism out there and its very important to strictly oppose that but you have to be capable to differentiate between real racism and objective critism against migration policy or whatever.


If you don't do that the consecuence is that those people and your own potential voters start voting for right wing and even racist parties. We see that everywhere in Europe atm.

I think people have lost sight of what true leftism is supposed to be about, which is social equality and fighting for working class, as you pointed out.

It seems to have been taken over by liberalism and identity politics.

yes. very good point. If you'd ask someone to explain or define left wing politics these days, he'd probably say things like gay rights, hardcore feminism and stuff like that.

I'm not saying those things are worth nothing but its important to know what you stand for and why people actually vote for you. And thats like you say is fighting for working class and for social equality.

The problem isn't that left wing politics are focusing on gay rights, racial equality and feminism (I strongly disagree that it's hardcore feminism, and by the way those things ARE social equality!) - it's that the platform of the right wing is built on restricting those rights and halting immigration!

How can the left build their platform on the working classes when the working classes themselves are more interested on voting against immigrants and against social equality than voting for their own benefit? The number of working class voters who vote Conservative/UKIP etc despite the fact that they aren't interested in poor people (particularly the Tories) is frightening.

vodkadiet wrote:Brexit happened because too many 'Gammon' exist in these towns where there are far too many inbreds.

You know, the most inbred communities in this country are those of Pakistani descent, especially those from towns in Northern England that you refer to. This is a statistical fact. Are you saying these are the people who are responsible for Brexit?

Anyway... sorry for the politics!

That was a truly awesome match. I hope Zhao can keep this progress up, and it's great to see Judd stepping up to the plate for a change while under pressure.

Trump will play his buddy Lisowski now. I expect Trump to get through that one but he'll lose in the quarters to Higgins. Probably 5:4 or 5:3 Higgins after a good old choke from Trump.

Not many Brexiteers on here.

I know lots of people on here don't like Judd but I think he is great to watch. That match was quality

Badsnookerplayer wrote:I know lots of people on here don't like Judd but I think he is great to watch. That match was quality

I'm with you on that. After Ronnie and John he's my next favourite. But im losing a little faith in him.

Badsnookerplayer wrote:I know lots of people on here don't like Judd but I think he is great to watch. That match was quality

I like watching him but he annoys me in the Tripple crown events.

Smurph through as well.

TheRocket wrote:Trump will play his buddy Lisowski now. I expect Trump to get through that one but he'll lose in the quarters to Higgins. Probably 5:4 or 5:3 Higgins after a good old choke from Trump.

Lol would not surprise me.

Iranu wrote:

TheRocket wrote:

Cloud Strife wrote:

TheRocket wrote:I call myself a Social democrat or Middle-Left man but the left has lost the plot in recent years.

They're rather busy with things like extreme feminism and stuff like that instead of solving the real problems of the working-class people and care for their concerns.

No doubt there is racism and sexism out there and its very important to strictly oppose that but you have to be capable to differentiate between real racism and objective critism against migration policy or whatever.


If you don't do that the consecuence is that those people and your own potential voters start voting for right wing and even racist parties. We see that everywhere in Europe atm.

I think people have lost sight of what true leftism is supposed to be about, which is social equality and fighting for working class, as you pointed out.

It seems to have been taken over by liberalism and identity politics.

yes. very good point. If you'd ask someone to explain or define left wing politics these days, he'd probably say things like gay rights, hardcore feminism and stuff like that.

I'm not saying those things are worth nothing but its important to know what you stand for and why people actually vote for you. And thats like you say is fighting for working class and for social equality.

The problem isn't that left wing politics are focusing on gay rights, racial equality and feminism (I strongly disagree that it's hardcore feminism, and by the way those things ARE social equality!) - it's that the platform of the right wing is built on restricting those rights and halting immigration!

How can the left build their platform on the working classes when the working classes themselves are more interested on voting against immigrants and against social equality than voting for their own benefit? The number of working class voters who vote Conservative/UKIP etc despite the fact that they aren't interested in poor people (particularly the Tories) is frightening.

It's strange because you'd have thought the right would be all for things like immigration and globalisation and the left would be the opposite. It's an upside down world we're living in!

And yeah, of course the working class would vote against immigration. What benefit does having looser borders bring them?

Badsnookerplayer wrote:I know lots of people on here don't like Judd but I think he is great to watch. That match was quality

I quite enjoy watching Trump play, he's my second favorite in terms of the way he plays the game after Ronnie.
I enjoy all attacking players to be honest.
Now, if we are talking about personality, Trump's not my man. This might sound odd, but I like Mark Allen.

Anyway, this was a great match, with very high quality play. Well done to both.

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Badsnookerplayer wrote:I know lots of people on here don't like Judd but I think he is great to watch. That match was quality

I quite enjoy watching Trump play, he's my second favorite in terms of the way he plays the game after Ronnie.
I enjoy all attacking players to be honest.
Now, if we are talking about personality, Trump's not my man. This might sound odd, but I like Mark Allen.

Shock horror ha

Badsnookerplayer wrote:

vodkadiet wrote:Brexit happened because too many 'Gammon' exist in these towns where there are far too many inbreds.

Problem with the middle classes is they don't like democracy when it doesn't give them the answer they want.

Lots of working class people voted 'remain'. Myself included.

Cloud Strife wrote:

vodkadiet wrote:Brexit happened because too many 'Gammon' exist in these towns where there are far too many inbreds.

You know, the most inbred communities in this country are those of Pakistani descent, especially those from towns in Northern England that you refer to. This is a statistical fact. Are you saying these are the people who are responsible for Brexit?

There are far more inbred 'white' people. A lot of them living in the East of England.

Trump's personality has changed over the years. When you watch his interviews these days he is humble and down to earth. Even shy. Completely different to what he was when he had his breakthrough in 11/12.

Some people probably remember some of his comments like "If Ronnie avoids me he can still win tournaments" or "At my best I'd have beaten Robertson easily" and stuff like that. Or his comments on Twitter.

But the guy hasnt won a major since 2011 so there isnt any reason really for him to be confident and talking big.

The problem with Britain is that there are far too many low waged people voting Tory. These people actually believe that the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson will represent their interests.

TheRocket wrote:Trump's personality has changed over the years. When you watch his interviews these days he is humble and down to earth. Even shy. Completely different to what he was when he had his breakthrough in 11/12.

Some people probably remember some of his comments like "If Ronnie avoids me he can still win tournaments" or "At my best I'd have beaten Robertson easily" and stuff like that. Or his comments on Twitter.

But the guy hasnt won a major since 2011 so there isnt any reason really for him to be confident and talking big.

Problem is everytime I think he has learned, he comes out with garbage talk... especially after he wins a tournament he suddely goes big headed thinking he can win everything.

Having confidence to win tournamentz is one thing, but the way he starts to talk big is another and thats something that still hasnt changed with him.

Look at Selby for instance... the guy keeps winning tournaments and you dont see him come out with stuff like that.

Is he old enough to smoke?

Brexit schmexit. 1984 anyone?

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