by Andre147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
TheRocket wrote:Yuan was lucky imo. An experienced ref like Verhaas or Collier might have called a foul there. Handshake or not. But I'm pretty sure they would have waited and watched closely that cue ball travelling towards the rest.
Ref called "frame and the match" as soon as he potted the black, which is a mistake, should have waited a bit longer.
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by Cloud Strife » 31 Jan 2019 Read
TheRocket wrote:Yuan was lucky imo. An experienced ref like Verhaas or Collier might have called a foul there. Handshake or not. But I'm pretty sure they would have waited and watched closely that cue ball travelling towards the rest.
It was a blatant foul and should have been called, imo.
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by Iranu » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Andre147 wrote:Iranu wrote:Weak reffing not to call the foul there when he noiced? Or in keeping with the spirit of the game?
Personally my view on this is "rules is rules" but I wonder whether the handshake has officially brought an end to the match and the ref at that point couldn't pull things back even if he wanted to.
Are you around Andre? What are your thoughts?
First of all, this is a foul, as the cue ball didnt stop moving, so it would have gone to a respotted black in this case.
However, despite many of you not seeing that ref on TV too often, he is an experienced referee, just not so on TV too much.
It was a mistake no doubt, in this case a very costly one. The handshake has nothing to do with it, ref should have called the Foul 7.
Thanks for the info Andre
I just wondered if the handshake signalled Higgins' concession and therefore the foul couldn't be called after that had happened.
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by Andre147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Iranu wrote:Andre147 wrote:Iranu wrote:Weak reffing not to call the foul there when he noiced? Or in keeping with the spirit of the game?
Personally my view on this is "rules is rules" but I wonder whether the handshake has officially brought an end to the match and the ref at that point couldn't pull things back even if he wanted to.
Are you around Andre? What are your thoughts?
First of all, this is a foul, as the cue ball didnt stop moving, so it would have gone to a respotted black in this case.
However, despite many of you not seeing that ref on TV too often, he is an experienced referee, just not so on TV too much.
It was a mistake no doubt, in this case a very costly one. The handshake has nothing to do with it, ref should have called the Foul 7.
Thanks for the info Andre
I just wondered if the handshake signalled Higgins' concession and therefore the foul couldn't be called after that had happened.
Players arent at fault if the referee doesnt notice a Foul.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
2-0 Williams.
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by Iranu » 31 Jan 2019 Read
That's not what I mean Andre. I totally agree that the ref should have waited to see if the white hit the rest before calling frame and match.
I was wondering if, once he had failed to do that, he couldn't then call the foul after the handshake because Higgins had already 'conceded' the frame and match. Or would he be able to withdraw the awarding of the frame and match after the handshake and call the foul if he wanted to?
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by Ash147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Ebdon and Wilson still playing their first frame.
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by Andre147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Iranu wrote:That's not what I mean Andre. I totally agree that the ref should have waited to see if the white hit the rest before calling frame and match.
I was wondering if, once he had failed to do that, he couldn't then call the foul after the handshake because Higgins had already 'conceded' the frame and match. Or would he be able to withdraw the awarding of the frame and match after the handshake and call the foul if he wanted to?
He could revert that decision yes. Higgins did the hanshake becausr the ref called frame and the match. If he had waited a bit longer and keep an eye on the cue ball, maybe Higgins would have noticed too.
But yes, even with the handshake, if the referee wanted to he could easily say he made a mistake and play would still continue.
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by Iranu » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Thanks Andre
I remember Michaela Tabb failing to call a foul at the end of a 90+ break when the cue ball went in off potting the final black. Obviously didn't matter so much in that case.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
See, this is why we need Andre refereeing televised matches.
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by TheRocket » 31 Jan 2019 Read
imagine if the ref had called the foul. Higgins might have won the respotted black and went on to win the tournament. lol. But we'll never know anyway.
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by Andre147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
SnookerFan wrote:See, this is why we need Andre refereeing televised matches.
Maybe one day... working on it.
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by Iranu » 31 Jan 2019 Read
TheRocket wrote:imagine if the ref had called the foul. Higgins might have won the respotted black and went on to win the tournament. lol. But we'll never know anyway.
knowing Higgins that's exactly what would have happened.
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by Iranu » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Andre147 wrote:SnookerFan wrote:See, this is why we need Andre refereeing televised matches.
Maybe one day... working on it.
We should have an SI meetup if that ever happens.
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by Andre147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
TheRocket wrote:imagine if the ref had called the foul. Higgins might have won the respotted black and went on to win the tournament. lol. But we'll never know anyway.
Or Yuan would still win the respotted black.
We'll never know. What we know is ref made a mistake.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Iranu wrote:Andre147 wrote:SnookerFan wrote:See, this is why we need Andre refereeing televised matches.
Maybe one day... working on it.
We should have an SI meetup if that ever happens.
Seconded.
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by Wildey » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Andre147 wrote:Iranu wrote:Weak reffing not to call the foul there when he noiced? Or in keeping with the spirit of the game?
Personally my view on this is "rules is rules" but I wonder whether the handshake has officially brought an end to the match and the ref at that point couldn't pull things back even if he wanted to.
Are you around Andre? What are your thoughts?
First of all, this is a foul, as the cue ball didnt stop moving, so it would have gone to a respotted black in this case.
However, despite many of you not seeing that ref on TV too often, he is an experienced referee, just not so on TV too much.
It was a mistake no doubt, in this case a very costly one. The handshake has nothing to do with it, ref should have called the Foul 7.
once a player shakes hands then its effectively a concession of the match
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
One of the stewards was applauding Maguire.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Nice shot Williams.
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by TheRocket » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Andre147 wrote:SnookerFan wrote:See, this is why we need Andre refereeing televised matches.
Maybe one day... working on it.
I'm sure you'd do a great job. Because you do love the sport. Sure a few other refs probably do as well but at the same there must be few who only view or treat is as a normal job.
Not sure how the system works but I hope you and many other younger refs get a fair chance.
I'm still amazed though that someone like Leo Scullion is allowed to be the ref in a World semi final. Not just once but even multiple times.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Williams should clear up from here.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Oooooh. And that's a bad miss.
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by Ash147 » 31 Jan 2019 Read
SnookerFan wrote:Oooooh. And that's a bad miss.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
4-0 Williams.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
"Fun" on the practice table.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Ash147 wrote:SnookerFan wrote:Oooooh. And that's a bad miss.
I think this is David Mitchell voicing this swan advert on Eurosport.
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by SnookerFan » 31 Jan 2019 Read
Forum is quiet tonight.
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