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Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Johnny Bravo

Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Alex0paul

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.


Awful idea

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Lou147

Everything as it is now, but best of 17 semis

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Johnny Bravo

Alex0paul wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.


Awful idea


Please elaborate.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.

That sounds terrible

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Johnny Bravo

Pink Ball wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.

That sounds terrible


Why ???
Is my imagination running wild or do u guys have something against round robin formats ???

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.

That sounds terrible


Why ???
Is my imagination running wild or do u guys have something against round robin formats ???


No, your imagination is not running wild. Round-robin games have been a match-fixing minefield in snooker.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Andre147

Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


I would leave the Masters format untouched. But have one tournament in the UK or China with the format you suggested.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Johnny Bravo

Pink Ball wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


Make it 10 players.
A round robin format.
One table setup.
First to 7 frames.
First 4 players to play the semis.
The final the first to 10 frames.

That sounds terrible


Why ???
Is my imagination running wild or do u guys have something against round robin formats ???


No, your imagination is not running wild. Round-robin games have been a match-fixing minefield in snooker.


But if they earn a couple grand for each match they win, that might be an incentive for players to try to win even if they are at the bottom half of the table and can't qualify anymore.
Or better yet, don't let the players know the results from other matches. That way, they might try their hardest since they don't know whether they are qualified or not.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby TheSaviour

Those are only temptations, without any real value in it.

It always should be a 50-50 matches where the real value lies at.

How can Marco Fu for example ever to be compared to Ronnie :sad: :sad: . I know Marco´s a real class player in terms of the results and the efficiency but that´s all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVT-aS6G3Ow

The only way any given match can be good and is good is only if the players does enjoy it and sees the future.

Scoring scoring Arsenal.... :hatoff: Seems that Arsene Wenger still thinks the God is a dutch person and a citizen.. He actually could well be right. Never mind so much about the results. They will be keep coming in the future if it is an interesting, no any real dominations and the players enjoying it.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


This is what the UK Championship was in the early 80s before it opened up to non UK players.

It would be better for the real snooker enthusiast. Alas, we are now living in the A.D.H.D society era, and it seems there needs to be a result every session.

I find it hard to take the term 'Masters' seriously when you have the likes of Day, McGill, Wilson, Brecel, Allen, Carter, and Wenbo in the field.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Holden Chinaski

vodkadiet wrote:I find it hard to take the term 'Masters' seriously when you have the likes of Day, McGill, Wilson, Brecel, Allen, Carter, and Wenbo in the field.

Still, only the very best players are capable of winning this tournament. Go look at the list of players who've won the Masters, you won't find a lot of "numpties" on that list, only greats.

The only players who have been able to win the Masters more than once are Ronnie, Hendry, Selby, Thorburn, Davis, Hunter, John Higgins, Alex Higgins and Mark Williams. The Masters is definitely an event only the elite players have been capable of winning.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

Holden Chinaski wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:I find it hard to take the term 'Masters' seriously when you have the likes of Day, McGill, Wilson, Brecel, Allen, Carter, and Wenbo in the field.

Still, only the very best players are capable of winning this tournament. Go look at the list of players who've won the Masters, you won't find a lot of "numpties" on that list, only greats.

The only players who have been able to win the Masters more than once are Ronnie, Hendry, Selby, Thorburn, Davis, Hunter, John Higgins, Alex Higgins and Mark Williams. The Masters is definitely an event only the elite players have been capable of winning.


Yes, but 16 players is too many for an event this is classed as 'The Masters'.

Tennis has an end of year finals where only 8 players participate. In fact tennis increased its 'Masters' event to 16 players one year, when the event was held at Madison Square Garden, and Ivan Lendl, who was world number one at the time vehemently disagreed with having so many players playing in what was meant to be an exclusive event and said "They may as well call it The Garden Open!"

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Holden Chinaski

I don't care what goes on in tennis.

All I know is that only the very best snooker players have been able to win the Masters and only the best of the best have been able to win it more than once and that proves it's an elite tournament. Some of the best snooker matches ever have been played at the Masters. I like it just the way it is, I love the Masters.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby SnookerFan

vodkadiet wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:I find it hard to take the term 'Masters' seriously when you have the likes of Day, McGill, Wilson, Brecel, Allen, Carter, and Wenbo in the field.

Still, only the very best players are capable of winning this tournament. Go look at the list of players who've won the Masters, you won't find a lot of "numpties" on that list, only greats.

The only players who have been able to win the Masters more than once are Ronnie, Hendry, Selby, Thorburn, Davis, Hunter, John Higgins, Alex Higgins and Mark Williams. The Masters is definitely an event only the elite players have been capable of winning.


Yes, but 16 players is too many for an event this is classed as 'The Masters'.

Tennis has an end of year finals where only 8 players participate. In fact tennis increased its 'Masters' event to 16 players one year, when the event was held at Madison Square Garden, and Ivan Lendl, who was world number one at the time vehemently disagreed with having so many players playing in what was meant to be an exclusive event and said "They may as well call it The Garden Open!"


Tennis. :zzz:

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

The point is that a lot of these players shouldn't even be there. How can Ryan Day be in The Masters? This is contradicting the trades description act!

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

DAY ONE (QUARTER-FINAL) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Ronnie O'Sullivan (1) v Luca Brecel (Wildcard 2) - Possibly could put Bingtao in instead of Brecel IMO, but Brecel's a top 10 player and he's had a good season).

DAY TWO (QUARTER-FINAL) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Ding Junhui (4) v John Higgins (5)

DAY THREE (QUARTER-FINAL) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Judd Trump (3) v Shaun Murphy

DAY FOUR (QUARTER-FINAL) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Mark Selby (2) v Mark Williams (Wildcard 1)

DAY FIVE (SEMI-FINALS, FIRST SESSION) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Ronnie O'Sullivan/Luca Brecel v Ding Junhui/John Higgins
Judd Trump/Shaun Murphy v Mark Selby/Mark Williams

DAY SIX (SEMI-FINALS, SECOND SESSION) - BEST OF 19 (8, 11)
Ronnie O'Sullivan/Luca Brecel v Ding Junhui/John Higgins
Judd Trump/Shaun Murphy v Mark Selby/Mark Williams

DAY SEVEN (FINAL, FIRST AND SECOND SESSION) - BEST OF 31 (7, 8, 8, 8)

DAY EIGHT (FINAL, THIRD AND FOURTH SESSION) - BEST OF 31 (7, 8, 8, 8)

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

vodkadiet wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Eight players.
One week.
One table.
Multiple-session matches throughout.


This is what the UK Championship was in the early 80s before it opened up to non UK players.

It would be better for the real snooker enthusiast. Alas, we are now living in the A.D.H.D society era, and it seems there needs to be a result every session.

I find it hard to take the term 'Masters' seriously when you have the likes of Day, McGill, Wilson, Brecel, Allen, Carter, and Wenbo in the field.

To be fair to Brecel, I would rate him as one of the best eight players in the world at the moment, as much as I dislike him. He has had a good season and he's finally beginning to look the part.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Cloud Strife

vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins


Hawkins looks out of place in that line-up.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins

I forgot about Robertson. I would give him a wild card ahead of Brecel.

But that would give us (going by your format):
Sullivan (1) v Robertson
Ding (4) v Higgins (5)
Trump (3) v Murphy (6)
Selby (2) v Hawkins (7)

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

Cloud Strife wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins


Hawkins looks out of place in that line-up.


Okay. Take Hawkins out and replace him with your next best.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby vodkadiet

Pink Ball wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins


Hawkins looks out of place in that line-up.

I'd prefer to see Williams, Brecel, or Bingtao in instead of him.


Hawkins has performed well on the biggest stage. Williams is past his best, and the others haven't proved they are ready yet.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Pink Ball

vodkadiet wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins


Hawkins looks out of place in that line-up.

I'd prefer to see Williams, Brecel, or Bingtao in instead of him.


Hawkins has performed well on the biggest stage. Williams is past his best, and the others haven't proved they are ready yet.

Fair point.

Re: What the Masters should be like.

Postby Iranu

vodkadiet wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
vodkadiet wrote:Best of 21 frames matches: (9,12)

Selby vs Robertson
Murphy vs Higgins
Trump vs Ding Junhui
O'Sullivan vs Hawkins


Hawkins looks out of place in that line-up.

I'd prefer to see Williams, Brecel, or Bingtao in instead of him.


Hawkins has performed well on the biggest stage. Williams is past his best, and the others haven't proved they are ready yet.

He may be past his best but he's still a ranking tournament winner this season, which is more than can be said for Hawkins.