Prize Money Rankings are here!

So a player could be ranked higher if they for example were the only player to make a 147 all season at the Crucible?

Alex0paul wrote:So a player could be ranked higher if they for example were the only player to make a 147 all season at the Crucible?

high break and 147 prizes wont count towards your total when a proper order of merit that comes into play

Witz78 wrote:

Alex0paul wrote:So a player could be ranked higher if they for example were the only player to make a 147 all season at the Crucible?

high break and 147 prizes wont count towards your total when a proper order of merit that comes into play

Thinking about it I wouldn't seeing it to be fair. It could add some excitement if say a player needs to win a match to get into the 16 but are say 7-0 down then they could start going for a 147 as that might get them in instead.

Witz78 wrote:

Wild wrote:streight away it shows how rubbish it is

Carter 7th give me a bucking break

his list is flawed though and is weighted towards the top guys

because in a real ORDER OF MERIT these figures would be totally different

take Carter for example, all the round 1 games he lost, well under a flat 128 set up and money list, he wouldnt earn any moeny for them so hed be a good bit further down, though obviously a World runner up does you a WORLD of good, pardon the pun.
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yes thats a good point but its to top heavy that it rewards fluking a good win.

Peter Ebdon has been marmite with a capital S this season but one good result = a good season with Money Rankings suerly with a season of 13 PTC and about 12 Main Rankers next season having one good run does not equate to a high ranking possition.

Currently despite being China Open Champion Ebdon is 33rd on the one year list because hes been absalutly pants and one Good Result should never be regarded as a Season Turnaround if results elsewhere been marmite.

Wild wrote:

Witz78 wrote:

Wild wrote:streight away it shows how rubbish it is

Carter 7th give me a bucking break

his list is flawed though and is weighted towards the top guys

because in a real ORDER OF MERIT these figures would be totally different

take Carter for example, all the round 1 games he lost, well under a flat 128 set up and money list, he wouldnt earn any moeny for them so hed be a good bit further down, though obviously a World runner up does you a WORLD of good, pardon the pun.
.

yes thats a good point but its to top heavy that it rewards fluking a good win.

Peter Ebdon has been marmite with a capital S this season but one good result = a good season with Money Rankings suerly with a season of 13 PTC and about 12 Main Rankers next season having one good run does not equate to a high ranking possition.

Currently despite being China Open Champion Ebdon is 33rd on the one year list because hes been absalutly pants and one Good Result should never be regarded as a Season Turnaround if results elsewhere been marmite.

yeh but winning a so called big tournament has to be worth far more than consistently winning a few PTC games here and there

the OOM will mean that the PTCs will have lesser importance in terms of their ranking significance but its clear at the moment there vastly over allocated points. For a PTC to be 1/5 of the Worlds is a joke really.

what the OOM will mean is fewer big names will play the PTCs but some always will do, but it will also bolster opportunities for younger guys to earn money though the Kings and Hamiltons of this world who are essentially journeymen scrapping a living , will play in 90% of these events etc.

What the money list demonstrates emphatically is that the World Championship will distort things, or rather weight the rankings in a players favour if he does well in it. Hence Higgins & O'Sullivan at 1 & 2 despite missing 20+ ranking events between them in the 2 season cycle. Also, world runner-up catapulted to 7th thanks to the 125,000 points this equates to (I've no problem with the world runner-up being top 8, regardless of his other results).

Another thing a money list highlights for me is that players new to the tour, both last season and this, who have climbed the rankings due largely to good PTC runs (Jones, Lisowski, Xiao), are all lower ranked on the money list. Jones in particular would have been in the 40's without his Crucible run. Plus, with a money list, there are no "starter" points equivalent; hence lower placings for Delu, Yan etc

Does anyone know if Hearn plans to introduce a cash penalty for first round losers? I mean, if a seeded player loses at the Crucible, will he still get 12,000 ranking points?!? I'm sure it'll all become clear, but this is why I think he is handing out 2 year tour cards (no starter points needed), and wants to introduce a flat 128 draw (so as no-one gets "automatic" points).

I've done a list to see what the cash rankings over the last 2 years would look like if first round seeded losers got "nothing". I'll post it when I get in from work, but here's a couple of pointers:

- it's not THAT different to the actual cash list, with a few exceptions
- the Crucible still has a massive weighting to first round losers.....it's not good to lose your first match in the Worlds....especially if you have already lost your first round UK match(!)
- at least 3 journeymen have a 10 place fall

Here is how the list looks if first round losers received NOTHING:

1 John Higgins 485839
2 Ronnie O'Sullivan 431995
3 Judd Trump 408498
4 Mark Selby 302763
5 Mark Williams 296414
6 Allister Carter 254417
7 Neil Robertson 250577
8 Stephen Maguire 221740
9 Shaun Murphy 219510
10 Mark Allen 209365
11 Ding Junhui 196862
12 Matthew Stevens 167105
13 Stephen Lee 153252
14 Peter Ebdon 142938
15 Martin Gould 125985
16 Stuart Bingham 124590
17 Graeme Dott 123728
18 Stephen Hendry 113103
19 Dominic Dale 104780
20 Ricky Walden 104381
21 Andrew Higginson 95739
22 Barry Hawkins 89491
23 Ryan Day 89411
24 Marcus Campbell 88827
25 Mark Davis 88473
26 Joe Perry 85695
27 Marco Fu 85163
28 Tom Ford 83268
29 Jamie Burnett 75122
30 Jamie Cope 73858
31 Robert Milkins 72331
32 Michael Holt 67830
33 Jamie Jones 67338
34 Anthony Hamilton 65848
35 Ken Doherty 64421
36 Mark King 63350
37 Rory McLeod 61350
38 Fergal O’Brien 48148
39 Matt Selt 47273
40 Dave Gilbert 46909
41 Ben Woollaston 46857
42 Liang Wenbo 46638
43 Joe Jogia 44516
44 Nigel Bond 41588
45 Liu Chuang 40974
46 Dave Harold 39278
47 Jack Lisowski 39246
48 Steve Davis 37048
49 Peter Lines 36962
50 Gerard Greene 36950
51 Jimmy White 36795
52 Xiao Guodong 35279
53 Jimmy Robertson 34285
54 Barry Pinches 33594
55 Mike Dunn 33102
56 Liu Song 31381
57 James Wattana 31296
58 Michael White 30741
59 Mark Joyce 30695
60 Anthony McGill 29529
61 Alan McManus 29464
62 Alfie Burden 26184
63 Yu Delu 23947
64 Cao Yupeng 23635
65 Joe Swail 22822
66 Adrian Gunnell 22708
67 Andy Hicks 22112
68 David Morris 19568
69 Tony Drago 18431
70 Andrew Pagett 18354
71 Ian McCulloch 17937
72 Patrick Wallace 17521
73 Luca Brecel 17518
74 Jin Long 17500
75 Rod Lawler 17344
76 Sam Baird 16680
77 Matthew Couch 16471
78 Paul S Davison 16330
79 Li Yan 15149
80 Liam Highfield 14988
81 James McBain 14571
82 Adam Duffy 14476
83 Kurt Maflin 13535
84 Lu Ning 13500
85 Kyren Wilson 12666
86 Li Hang 11925
87 Igor Figueiredo 11284
88 Daniel Wells 11024
89 Simon Bedford 10063
90 Thanawat Thirapongpaiboon 8967
91 Bjorn Haneveer 8856
92 Justin Astley 8323
93 Stuart Pettman 7900
94 Sam Craigie 7454
95 Craig Steadman 7268
96 Jimmy Michie 7028
97 Tian Pengfei 6793
98 Aditya Mehta 6600
99 Joe Delaney 6071
100 David Grace 5959
101 Passakorn Suwannawat 5671
102 Andrew Norman 5384
103 Adam Wicheard 4723
104 Dechawat Poomjaeng 4604
105 Mei Xiwen 4000
106 Issara Kachaiwong 3999
107 Anda Zhang 3737
108 Chris Norbury 3613
109 Jak Jones 3414
110 Scott MacKenzie 3251
111 Michael Wasley 3170
112 Noppon Saengkham 3121
113 James McGouran 3100
114 Allan Taylor 2884
115 Ian Burns 2638
116 Paul Davies 2500
117 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 2500
118 Darren Morgan 2500
119 Kuldesh Johal 2471
120 Stephen Craigie 2356
121 Robbie Williams 2305
122 Dermot McGlinchey 2300
123 Chen Zhe 2099
124 Gary Wilson 1909
125 Lasse Munstermann 1871
126 Sam Harvey 1842
127 Jamie O'Neill 1709
128 Joel Walker 1700
129 Stuart Carrington 1685
130 Mario Geudens 1500
131 Craig MacGillivray 1500
132 Ben Harrison 1400
133 Lucky Vatnani 1250
134 David Singh 1199
135 Patrick Einsle 1142
136 Eden Sharav 1000
137 Ian Glover 971
138 Leo Fernandez 971
139 Jamie Walker 942
140 David Gray 836
141 Nick Jennings 800
142 Duane Jones 767
143 Mitchell Mann 738
144 Ashley Wright 685
145 Michael Judge 600
146 Mitchell Travis 571
147 Martin O'Donnell 571
148 David Hogan 542
149 Sam Thistlewhite 400
150 Jordan Brown 400
151 Michael Wild 371
152 Antony Parsons 200
153 Shahram Changezi 200
154 John Whitty 200
155 Andy Lee 200
156 Shahrukh Nasir 200
157 Lee Page 200
158 Alex Davies 200
159 Lee Spick 200
160 Peter Bullen 171
161 Philip Browne 171
162 Wictor Doberschutz 171
163 James Welsh 171
164 Mario Wehrmann 171
165 Jakub Rendla 171
166 Michael Heeger 171
167 Jurgen Kesseler 171
168 Habib Shalchian 171
169 Ralph Enax 171
170 Curd Persijn 171
171 Andrew Milliard 167
172 Matthew Day 167
173 Scott Donaldson 167
174 Robin Hull 0
175 Kacper Filipiak 0
176 Joe Meara 0

Like I said, the World Championship still has a heavy influence; Stephen Lee (first round loser in both the Worlds and UK) would find himself 4 places lower with the "no cash for first round losers" system.

Greene, McManus and Dunn, as you would expect, would be exposed as being in a "false position" should their "protection" be removed.

Other regular first round losers who would find themselves with a fight on their hands include: Perry, Fu, Cope, Doherty, King, Wenbo, Bond, Steve Davis and Joyce. The list also demonstrates why the likes of Gunnell and Drago dropped out of the 64....too many first round losses.

Chief beneficiaries of this system: Hawkins, Day, Burnett, Hamilton(!), Selt, Gilbert, Woollaston, Chuang.

Theres little difference from about 64 downwards, as there's no prize money until the last 64 anyway, hence Brecel, Baird, Yan etc staying relatively still.

This is my first attempt at the new "money list" rankings; obviously, they're a bit strangely ordered, but the figures here include APTC1, plus the qualifying rounds for Wuxi and Australia (minimum prize funds included for both).

Figures in Euros (I read somewhere that £1=1.2 Euros for ranking purposes, so I've a funny feeling they'll be published in Euros)

1 Stuart Bingham € 24,977
2 Stephen Lee € 18,977
3 Ding Junhui € 14,777
4 Tom Ford € 14,177
5 Mark Davis € 13,697
6 Peter Ebdon € 13,217
7 Dominic Dale € 13,217
8 Marcus Campbell € 13,217
9 Mark Selby € 12,977
10 Shaun Murphy € 12,977
11 Neil Robertson € 12,977
12 Matthew Stevens € 12,977
13 Martin Gould € 12,977
14 Ricky Walden € 12,977
15 Allister Carter € 12,977
16 Andrew Higginson € 12,977
17 Barry Hawkins € 12,977
18 Joe Perry € 12,977
19 Ken Doherty € 12,977
20 Jamie Cope € 12,977
21 Michael Holt € 12,977
22 Jamie Burnett € 12,977
23 Michael White € 11,740
24 Robert Milkins € 9,940
25 Marco Fu € 9,257
26 Matt Selt € 8,777
27 Fergal O’Brien € 8,740
28 Dave Harold € 8,740
29 Ryan Day € 8,537
30 Rory McLeod € 8,537
31 Jack Lisowski € 8,537
32 Mark Williams € 8,400
33 Xiao Guodong € 7,817
34 Liang Wenbo € 7,577
35 Nigel Bond € 7,577
36 Alan McManus € 7,577
37 Stephen Maguire € 7,440
38 Judd Trump € 7,200
39 Mark Allen € 7,200
40 Graeme Dott € 7,200
41 Rod Lawler € 7,200
42 Cao Yupeng € 6,017
43 Mark King € 4,540
44 Jamie Jones € 4,300
45 Gerard Greene € 4,300
46 Dave Gilbert € 4,300
47 Barry Pinches € 4,300
48 Ben Woollaston € 3,600
49 Liu Chuang € 3,580
50 Anthony McGill € 3,340
51 Chen Zhe € 3,000
52 Anthony Hamilton € 2,760
53 Peter Lines € 2,760
54 Jimmy Robertson € 2,760
55 Kurt Maflin € 2,760
56 Passakorn Suwannawat € 2,760
57 Aditya Mehta € 2,760
58 Li Yan € 2,520
59 Alfie Burden € 2,040
60 Jimmy White € 1,800
61 Mike Dunn € 1,800
62 Steve Davis € 1,800
63 Mark Joyce € 1,800
64 Tony Drago € 1,800
65 Luca Brecel € 1,800
66 Simon Bedford € 1,800
67 Tian Pengfei € 1,800
68 Anda Zhang € 1,800
69 Liam Highfield € 1,540
70 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon € 1,540
71 James Wattana € 1,540
72 Yu Delu € 720
73 Ben Judge € 240
74 Michael Wasley € 0
75 John Higgins € 0
76 Ronnie O'Sullivan € 0
77 Joe Jogia € 0
78 Andy Hicks € 0
79 Adam Duffy € 0
80 Sam Baird € 0
81 David Grace € 0
82 Paul S Davison € 0
83 Dechawat Poomjaeng € 0
84 Daniel Wells € 0
85 Craig Steadman € 0
86 Hossein Vafaei Ayouri € 0
87 Ian Burns € 0
88 Jamie O'Neill € 0
89 Joel Walker € 0
90 Martin O'Donnell € 0
91 Michael Leslie € 0
92 Pankaj Advani € 0
93 Robbie Williams € 0
94 Sean O'Sullivan € 0
95 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh € 0
96 Scott Donaldson € 0
97 Floyd Ziegler € 0
98 Mohamed Khairy € 0

I should mention that this list commenced at the start of 2012-13 season and contains events from that season ONLY. I'll add in tournaments as and when they happen, and it'll eventually take shape.

I've also assumed, for the moment, that first round seeded losers still get a full cash allocation (although I'm hoping this will change). And before anyone asks, high break prizes DO NOT count.

Why would it be published in euros?
The reason the conversion rate is there is because events played in Europe are actually paid in euros.

Monique wrote:Why would it be published in euros?
The reason the conversion rate is there is because events played in Europe are actually paid in euros.

Because if 1 GBP = 1.2 Euro, then conversely, 1 Euro = 5/6ths of £1. Euros will be neater, for example:

Losing quarter finalists at EPTCs get 2000 Euros; if published in GBP, it would be £1666.67.
Whereas losing quarter finalists in the PTCs get £1500; if published in Euros, it'd be 1800....nice and neat.

I could be completely wrong of course....second guessing World Snooker occupies a lot of peoples time these days. Plus, there'll still be a messy conversion from $AUS anyway.

JIMO96 wrote:

Monique wrote:Why would it be published in euros?
The reason the conversion rate is there is because events played in Europe are actually paid in euros.

Because if 1 GBP = 1.2 Euro, then conversely, 1 Euro = 5/6ths of £1. Euros will be neater, for example:

Losing quarter finalists at EPTCs get 2000 Euros; if published in GBP, it would be £1666.67.
Whereas losing quarter finalists in the PTCs get £1500; if published in Euros, it'd be 1800....nice and neat.

I could be completely wrong of course....second guessing World Snooker occupies a lot of peoples time these days. Plus, there'll still be a messy conversion from $AUS anyway.

money rankings will work in terms of figures not actual worth of money say Australian open worth $AUS 30,000 and the Welsh Open Worth £30,000 and a player wins both it equates to 60,000 points.

one of the things Barry Hearn has said Regarding Money Rankings it will be easier to work out for the Public (buck knows where he gets that crappy rubbish from) but that what he said so starting to mess around with conversion rates and currency will prove far more complicated than points.

Wild WC wrote:money rankings will work in terms of figures not actual worth of money say Australian open worth $AUS 30,000 and the Welsh Open Worth £30,000 and a player wins both it equates to 60,000 points.

Is this true, Wild? Where did you hear this? If this is the case, then it would simplify things big time. It would also make the Goldfields fairly big in ranking terms (70K to the winner)

JIMO96 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:money rankings will work in terms of figures not actual worth of money say Australian open worth $AUS 30,000 and the Welsh Open Worth £30,000 and a player wins both it equates to 60,000 points.

Is this true, Wild? Where did you hear this? If this is the case, then it would simplify things big time. It would also make the Goldfields fairly big in ranking terms (70K to the winner)

im looking at the PTC Rankings of the last 2 years

Euro PTC Getting €10,000

UK PTC Getting £10,000

Actual Money £18,000 or €22,000 but point wise it was 20,000 points

Wild WC wrote:

JIMO96 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:money rankings will work in terms of figures not actual worth of money say Australian open worth $AUS 30,000 and the Welsh Open Worth £30,000 and a player wins both it equates to 60,000 points.

Is this true, Wild? Where did you hear this? If this is the case, then it would simplify things big time. It would also make the Goldfields fairly big in ranking terms (70K to the winner)

im looking at the PTC Rankings of the last 2 years

Euro PTC Getting €10,000

UK PTC Getting £10,000

Actual Money £18,000 or €22,000 but point wise it was 20,000 points

Yeah that's true, and it would make sense to continue that way. However, in the June edition of "Snooker Scene", it states:

"A new ranking system based on prize money rather than ranking points is to be phased in over the next two years. In that period, it will run parallel to the existing system. For the purposes of the new system, £1 will be worth €1.2...."

JIMO96 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

JIMO96 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:money rankings will work in terms of figures not actual worth of money say Australian open worth $AUS 30,000 and the Welsh Open Worth £30,000 and a player wins both it equates to 60,000 points.

Is this true, Wild? Where did you hear this? If this is the case, then it would simplify things big time. It would also make the Goldfields fairly big in ranking terms (70K to the winner)

im looking at the PTC Rankings of the last 2 years

Euro PTC Getting €10,000

UK PTC Getting £10,000

Actual Money £18,000 or €22,000 but point wise it was 20,000 points

Yeah that's true, and it would make sense to continue that way. However, in the June edition of "Snooker Scene", it states:

"A new ranking system based on prize money rather than ranking points is to be phased in over the next two years. In that period, it will run parallel to the existing system. For the purposes of the new system, £1 will be worth €1.2...."

if that's true then this notion that prize money rankings will be easier to understand doesn't add up.

Wilds talking crap here and he knows it

does that mean if you go to an event where theres hyperinflation and win a million rupees or something thats only the equivalent of a grand here in pounds, that you will get a million points??

of course it will all be converted to pounds

Witz78 wrote:Wilds talking crap here and he knows it

does that mean if you go to an event where theres hyperinflation and win a million rupees or something thats only the equivalent of a grand here in pounds, that you will get a million points??

of course it will all be converted to pounds

i bet you it wont

Was the PTC Converted in to pounds ??

Part of the Idea is to make it easier for Everyone to Follow Converting just complicates the Issue.

Wild WC wrote:

Witz78 wrote:Wilds talking crap here and he knows it

does that mean if you go to an event where theres hyperinflation and win a million rupees or something thats only the equivalent of a grand here in pounds, that you will get a million points??

of course it will all be converted to pounds

i bet you it wont

Was the PTC Converted in to pounds ??

Part of the Idea is to make it easier for Everyone to Follow Converting just complicates the Issue.

stick your money on the table then.

if im right you give me 100 pounds

if your right ill give you 100 euros

The PTC different kettle of fish but in future once it moves to proper Order of Merit theyll convert the prize money there to Pounds beforehand for simplicity.

After all the Chinese events, the prize money is in pounds Sterlin as opposed to Chinese Renminbi.

I reckon the European events are only in Euros at the moment to fool fans and players into thinking prize money is better than what it actually is.

Witz78 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

Witz78 wrote:Wilds talking crap here and he knows it

does that mean if you go to an event where theres hyperinflation and win a million rupees or something thats only the equivalent of a grand here in pounds, that you will get a million points??

of course it will all be converted to pounds

i bet you it wont

Was the PTC Converted in to pounds ??

Part of the Idea is to make it easier for Everyone to Follow Converting just complicates the Issue.

stick your money on the table then.

if im right you give me 100 pounds

if your right ill give you 100 euros

The PTC different kettle of fish but in future once it moves to proper Order of Merit theyll convert the prize money there to Pounds beforehand for simplicity.

After all the Chinese events, the prize money is in pounds Sterlin as opposed to Chinese Renminbi.

I reckon the European events are only in Euros at the moment to fool fans and players into thinking prize money is better than what it actually is.

that's the same thing as ive said lol

if they convert it to Pounds Beforehand it simplifies it as Pounds.

German Masters Last Season got €50,000 Converted is about £41,000

Prize money rankings from the start of season 2012-13:

Pos Name Total
1 Ricky Walden € 95,777
2 Stuart Bingham € 53,777
3 Mark Davis € 28,097
4 Marcus Campbell € 27,617
5 Stephen Lee € 18,977
6 Mark Selby € 17,777
7 Ding Junhui € 14,777
8 Joe Perry € 14,777
9 Jamie Cope € 14,777
10 Jamie Burnett € 14,777
11 Ken Doherty € 14,777
12 Robert Milkins € 14,740
13 Tom Ford € 14,177
14 Peter Ebdon € 13,217
15 Dominic Dale € 13,217
16 Mark Williams € 13,200
17 Shaun Murphy € 12,977
18 Neil Robertson € 12,977
19 Martin Gould € 12,977
20 Allister Carter € 12,977
21 Andrew Higginson € 12,977
22 Barry Hawkins € 12,977
23 Michael Holt € 12,977
24 Graeme Dott € 12,000
25 Michael White € 11,740
26 Fergal O’Brien € 10,540
27 Marco Fu € 9,257
28 Mark Allen € 9,000
29 Judd Trump € 9,000
30 Rod Lawler € 9,000
31 Matt Selt € 8,777
32 Dave Harold € 8,740
33 Ryan Day € 8,537
34 Rory McLeod € 8,537
35 Jack Lisowski € 8,537
36 Xiao Guodong € 7,817
37 Liang Wenbo € 7,577
38 Nigel Bond € 7,577
39 Alan McManus € 7,577
40 Stephen Maguire € 7,440
41 Cao Yupeng € 6,017
42 Matthew Stevens € 5,777
43 Mark King € 4,540
44 Jamie Jones € 4,300
45 Gerard Greene € 4,300
46 Dave Gilbert € 4,300
47 Barry Pinches € 4,300
48 Ben Woollaston € 3,600
49 Liu Chuang € 3,580
50 Anthony McGill € 3,340
51 Chen Zhe € 3,000
52 Anthony Hamilton € 2,760
53 Peter Lines € 2,760
54 Jimmy Robertson € 2,760
55 Kurt Maflin € 2,760
56 Passakorn Suwannawat € 2,760
57 Aditya Mehta € 2,760
58 Li Yan € 2,520
59 Alfie Burden € 2,040
60 Jimmy White € 1,800
61 Mike Dunn € 1,800
62 Steve Davis € 1,800
63 Mark Joyce € 1,800
64 Tony Drago € 1,800
65 Luca Brecel € 1,800
66 Simon Bedford € 1,800
67 Tian Pengfei € 1,800
68 Anda Zhang € 1,800
69 Liam Highfield € 1,540
70 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon € 1,540
71 James Wattana € 1,540
72 Yu Delu € 720
73 Ben Judge € 240
74 Michael Wasley € 0
75 John Higgins € 0
76 Ronnie O'Sullivan € 0
77 Joe Jogia € 0
78 Andy Hicks € 0
79 Adam Duffy € 0
80 Sam Baird € 0
81 David Grace € 0
82 Paul S Davison € 0
83 Dechawat Poomjaeng € 0
84 Daniel Wells € 0
85 Craig Steadman € 0
86 Hossein Vafaei Ayouri € 0
87 Ian Burns € 0
88 Jamie O'Neill € 0
89 Joel Walker € 0
90 Martin O'Donnell € 0
91 Michael Leslie € 0
92 Pankaj Advani € 0
93 Robbie Williams € 0
94 Sean O'Sullivan € 0
95 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh € 0
96 Scott Donaldson € 0
97 Floyd Ziegler € 0
98 Mohamed Khairy € 0

Assumptions:

- tour players only included
- figures compiled in Euros (£1= €1.2)
- Goldfields qualifiers already added

The rankings are going to be in Euros?

Here it is in pounds though...

Ranking Player Country GRAND TOTAL
1 Ricky Walden England £79,875
2 Stuart Bingham England £44,875
3 Mark Davis England £23,475
4 Marcus Campbell Scotland £23,075
5 Stephen Lee England £15,875
6 Mark Selby England £14,875
7 Ding Junhui China £12,375
7 Joe Perry England £12,375
7 Jamie Burnett Scotland £12,375
7 Jamie Cope England £12,375
7 Ken Doherty Ireland £12,375
12 Robert Milkins England £12,300
13 Tom Ford England £11,875
14 Peter Ebdon England £11,075
14 Dominic Dale Wales £11,075
16 Mark Williams Wales £11,000
17 Shaun Murphy England £10,875
17 Neil Robertson Australia £10,875
17 Martin Gould England £10,875
17 Allister Carter England £10,875
17 Andrew Higginson England £10,875
17 Barry Hawkins England £10,875
17 Michael Holt England £10,875
24 Graeme Dott Scotland £10,000
25 Michael White Northern Ireland £9,800
26 Fergal O'Brien Ireland £8,800
27 Marco Fu Hong Kong £7,775
28 Mark Allen Northern Ireland £7,500
28 Judd Trump England £7,500
28 Rod Lawler England £7,500
31 Matthew Selt England £7,375
32 Dave Harold England £7,300
33 Ryan Day Wales £7,175
33 Rory McLeod England £7,175
33 Jack Lisowski England £7,175
36 Xiao Guodong China £6,575
37 Liang Wenbo China £6,375
37 Nigel Bond England £6,375
37 Alan McManus Scotland £6,375
40 Stephen Maguire Scotland £6,200
41 Cao Yupeng China £5,075
42 Matthew Stevens Wales £4,875
43 Mark King England £3,800
44 Jamie Jones Wales £3,600
44 Gerard Greene Northern Ireland £3,600
44 David Gilbert England £3,600
44 Barry Pinches England £3,600
48 Ben Woollaston England £3,000
48 Liu Chuang China £3,000
50 Anthony McGill Scotland £2,800
51 Chen Zhe China £2,500
52 Anthony Hamilton England £2,300
52 Peter Lines England £2,300
52 Jimmy Robertson England £2,300
52 Adiyta Mehta India £2,300
52 Passakorn Suwannawat Thailand £2,300
52 Kurt Maflin Norway £2,300
58 Li Yan China £2,100
59 Alfie Burden England £1,700
60 Zhang Anda China £1,500
60 Tian Pengfei China £1,500
60 Jimmy White England £1,500
60 Mike Dunn England £1,500
60 Steve Davis England £1,500
60 Mark Joyce England £1,500
60 Luca Brecel Belgium £1,500
60 Tony Drago Malta £1,500
60 Simon Bedford England £1,500
69 James Wattana Thailand £1,300
69 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon Thailand £1,300
69 Michael Wild England £1,300
72 Cao Kaisheng China £1,000
72 Li Yuan China £1,000
72 Lin Shuai China £1,000
72 Mei Xiwen China £1,000
72 Zhao Xintong China £1,000
77 Yu Delu China £600
77 Cai Jianzhong China £600
77 Cao Xinlong China £600
77 Jin Long China £600
77 Li Yongzhi China £600
77 Lu Ning China £600
77 Lu Zhenwei China £600
77 Pan Weixing China £600
77 Rouzi Maimaiti China £600
77 Wang Linhan China £600
77 Xu Xinjian China £600
77 Zhang Yang China £600
77 Zhu Yinghui China £600
90 Ben Judge Australia £200
90 A Bulajiang China £200
90 Chen Feilong China £200
90 Chen Ruifu China £200
90 Chen Zifan China £200
90 Cui Ming China £200
90 Da Hailin China £200
90 Fung Kwok Fai Hong Kong £200
90 Guan Zhen China £200
90 Li Hang China £200
90 Lu Haotian China £200
90 Ma Bing China £200
90 Pa Ruke China £200
90 Qi Ya China £200
90 Shi Hanqing China £200
90 Tang Xu China £200
90 Wang Yuchen China £200
90 Yang Qingtian China £200
90 Zhang Dongtao China £200
90 Zhang Yi China £200
90 Zhou Yuelong China £200

**Double post**

Updated after Australia:

Pos Name Total
1 Ricky Walden € 95,769
2 Barry Hawkins € 61,046
3 Stuart Bingham € 53,769
4 Mark Davis € 37,705
5 Peter Ebdon € 30,517
6 Marcus Campbell € 27,609
7 Stephen Lee € 24,738
8 Marco Fu € 18,865
9 Shaun Murphy € 18,738
10 Martin Gould € 18,738
11 Mark Selby € 17,769
12 Jamie Cope € 16,692
13 Ding Junhui € 16,692
14 Jamie Burnett € 16,692
15 Tom Ford € 16,092
16 Neil Robertson € 14,892
17 Joe Perry € 14,769
18 Ken Doherty € 14,769
19 Robert Milkins € 14,738
20 Matt Selt € 14,538
21 Dominic Dale € 13,209
22 Mark Williams € 13,200
23 Allister Carter € 12,969
24 Andrew Higginson € 12,969
25 Michael Holt € 12,969
26 Graeme Dott € 12,000
27 Michael White € 11,738
28 Fergal O’Brien € 10,538
29 Ryan Day € 10,452
30 Mark Allen € 9,000
31 Judd Trump € 9,000
32 Rod Lawler € 9,000
33 Dave Harold € 8,738
34 Rory McLeod € 8,529
35 Jack Lisowski € 8,529
36 Cao Yupeng € 7,932
37 Xiao Guodong € 7,809
38 Matthew Stevens € 7,692
39 Liang Wenbo € 7,569
40 Nigel Bond € 7,569
41 Alan McManus € 7,569
42 Stephen Maguire € 7,440
43 Mark King € 4,538
44 Jamie Jones € 4,298
45 Gerard Greene € 4,298
46 Dave Gilbert € 4,298
47 Barry Pinches € 4,298
48 Ben Woollaston € 3,600
49 Liu Chuang € 3,578
50 Anthony McGill € 3,338
51 Chen Zhe € 3,000
52 Anthony Hamilton € 2,760
53 Peter Lines € 2,760
54 Jimmy Robertson € 2,760
55 Kurt Maflin € 2,760
56 Passakorn Suwannawat € 2,760
57 Aditya Mehta € 2,760
58 Li Yan € 2,520
59 Alfie Burden € 2,040
60 Jimmy White € 1,800
61 Mike Dunn € 1,800
62 Steve Davis € 1,800
63 Mark Joyce € 1,800
64 Tony Drago € 1,800
65 Luca Brecel € 1,800
66 Simon Bedford € 1,800
67 Tian Pengfei € 1,800
68 Anda Zhang € 1,800
69 Liam Highfield € 1,538
70 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon € 1,538
71 James Wattana € 1,538
72 Yu Delu € 720
73 Ben Judge € 240
74 Michael Wasley € 0
75 John Higgins € 0
76 Ronnie O'Sullivan € 0
77 Joe Jogia € 0
78 Andy Hicks € 0
79 Adam Duffy € 0
80 Sam Baird € 0
81 David Grace € 0
82 Paul S Davison € 0
83 Dechawat Poomjaeng € 0
84 Daniel Wells € 0
85 Craig Steadman € 0
86 Hossein Vafaei Ayouri € 0
87 Ian Burns € 0
88 Jamie O'Neill € 0
89 Joel Walker € 0
90 Martin O'Donnell € 0
91 Michael Leslie € 0
92 Pankaj Advani € 0
93 Robbie Williams € 0
94 Sean O'Sullivan € 0
95 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh € 0
96 Scott Donaldson € 0
97 Floyd Ziegler € 0
98 Mohamed Khairy € 0

Notes:

(i) Figures are in Euros (£1=€1.2)
(ii) Australian conversion is as per WSA site ($AUS 1.56=£1)
(iii) Points/Cash not awarded to players outside of the main tour
(iv) Seeded losers keep their allocation of Points/Cash

Cash rankings after EPTC1 (i.e VERY provisional rankings for 2014-15)

Pos Name €
1 Ricky Walden €113,099
2 Barry Hawkins €77,366
3 Stuart Bingham €71,109
4 Mark Davis €54,805
5 Martin Gould €47,588
6 Mark Selby €47,079
7 Peter Ebdon €46,117
8 Stephen Lee €41,828
9 Stephen Maguire €41,790
10 Marcus Campbell €39,889
11 Shaun Murphy €37,028
12 Marco Fu €35,185
13 Mark Williams €33,600
14 Ding Junhui €33,042
15 Neil Robertson €32,462
16 Robert Milkins €32,278
17 Dominic Dale €31,279
18 Allister Carter €31,109
19 Joe Perry €30,789
20 Ryan Day €30,572
21 Jamie Burnett €30,522
22 Jamie Cope €29,202
23 Ken Doherty €28,919
24 Graeme Dott €28,850
25 Judd Trump €28,850
26 Tom Ford €27,882
27 Andrew Higginson €27,879
28 Fergal O’Brien €27,368
29 Mark Allen €27,050
30 Michael White €26,128
31 Matthew Stevens €24,512
32 Michael Holt €21,299
33 Cao Yupeng €19,842
34 Jack Lisowski €18,629
35 Matt Selt €18,378
36 John Higgins €17,340
37 Dave Harold €17,048
38 Mark King €16,828
39 Barry Pinches €16,198
40 Liang Wenbo €15,659
41 Nigel Bond €15,629
42 Jamie Jones €15,298
43 Rod Lawler €14,200
44 Rory McLeod €14,109
45 Aditya Mehta €13,920
46 Alan McManus €13,719
47 Pankaj Advani €13,340
48 Xiao Guodong €12,869
49 Dave Gilbert €11,898
50 Alfie Burden €11,690
51 Jimmy Robertson €10,940
52 Ben Woollaston €10,490
53 Steve Davis €10,220
54 Anthony Hamilton €10,100
55 Mark Joyce €9,300
56 Anthony McGill €9,128
57 Gerard Greene €8,898
58 Jimmy White €8,570
59 Ronnie O'Sullivan €8,400
60 Liu Chuang €8,138
61 Kurt Maflin €7,350
62 Luca Brecel €5,600
63 Paul S Davison €5,560
64 David Grace €5,200
65 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh €4,850
66 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon €4,778
67 Yu Delu €4,730
68 Robbie Williams €4,510
69 Peter Lines €4,240
70 Liam Highfield €4,078
71 Li Yan €3,750
72 Mike Dunn €3,600
73 James Wattana €3,478
74 Andy Hicks €3,270
75 Ian Burns €3,260
76 Scott Donaldson €3,030
77 Tony Drago €3,020
78 Simon Bedford €3,020
79 Chen Zhe €3,000
80 Passakorn Suwannawat €2,760
81 Tian Pengfei €2,550
82 Anda Zhang €2,300
83 Adam Duffy €1,800
84 Craig Steadman €1,720
85 Dechawat Poomjaeng €1,700
86 Michael Wasley €990
87 Ben Judge €740
88 Joel Walker €740
89 Sam Baird €480
90 Joe Jogia €0
91 Daniel Wells €0
92 Hossein Vafaei Ayouri €0
93 Jamie O'Neill €0
94 Martin O'Donnell €0
95 Michael Leslie €0
96 Sean O'Sullivan €0
97 Floyd Ziegler €0
98 Mohamed Khairy €0

- I'm still persisting with Euros till I hear different (1.20 Euro=1 Pound)
- Qualifying results for Shanghai, Gdynia and WSIC included, as well as minimum figures for qualifiers
- Goldfields Open conversion: £1 = 1.56 AUS$
- 2012-13 tour players only
- First round seeded losers receive full cash allocation

Think that's the guaranteed prize money he gets for being in the last 32 of the International Championship.

with Regard to Money Rankings

not Playing in PTC Events wont be as costly as they are now however not being in the PTC Grand Finals would be more costly when there's a winners ranking point haul of about 100,000 only available to 32 players.

Officially confirmed today on the website;

http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsAr ... 95,00.html

Anyone seen the list? At first glance it seems to have been hastily put together......some of the figures under the heading "Ranking Points Position" are ridiculous (Tony Drago 142nd? Rod Lawler 130th?).

Also, under "2 year list points", Yu Delu has 47000 and Adam Duffy 40000(!) Which places both of them comfortably in the top 32, so someone's screwed up somewhere....

No info on Euro conversion rate, but looking at Pankaj Advani's cash figure, he's won £200, £1000 and 3000 Euros from his 3 completed events, so his total of £3600 means that his 3000 Euro prize last weekend has been converted to £2400, that is, 75%.

It seems also that players are allocated figures earnt whilst not on the main tour. I don't know how else they can arrive at Joel Walkers figure, for example. Plus, Cao Yupeng has his World Championship earnings included......despite the actual points earned not counting in the current rankings.

I'll have a closer look once home from work, and try and make sense of it.