by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
Alex0paul wrote:Wild wrote:Alex0paul wrote:Its ridiculous that Selby is number one despite winning one PTC compared to Higgins who has won the World, UK, Welsh Open twice and a PTC.
I do believe there should be more points given for winning an event.
in Darts Phil Taylor even during his ultimate Prime of winning Majors after Majors got as low as 6 or 7 because he did not enter lots of events......Selby is no 1 because of total dedication i have no problem at all with that.
But its stupid that he is ranked as the best player but he isn't winning anything therefore he obviously isn't the best player. There should be a higher points tariff for winning an event.
hes not ranked as the best Williams is no 1 hes provisional no 1 for next cut off point after 8 events to come.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
I have to agree with Alexopaul. The PTC events carry too much points in comparison to the normal ranking events.
Some commentator said a few months ago that only your best couple of ptc results should be taken into account. I like that idea.
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by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:I have to agree with Alexopaul. The PTC events carry too much points in comparison to the normal ranking events.
Some commentator said a few months ago that only your best couple of ptc results should be taken into account. I like that idea.
i disagree i like the fact it makes players lose out if they not committed.
i want players committed its a lot of hard work to get this sport back to the top i for 1 want players to do all they can to help that and if they don't tough its qualifying.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:I have to agree with Alexopaul. The PTC events carry too much points in comparison to the normal ranking events.
Some commentator said a few months ago that only your best couple of ptc results should be taken into account. I like that idea.
i disagree i like the fact it makes players lose out if they not committed.
i want players committed its a lot of hard work to get this sport back to the top i for 1 want players to do all they can to help that and if they don't tough its qualifying.
I disagree strongly. Because that commitment isn't worth anything to the fans. The PTCs aren't shown on TV but because they are so important due to their massive points they dictate the rankings. Also the PTCs aren't going to help snooker get back to a top sport, ranking events like the ones in Germany and Australia do.
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by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:I have to agree with Alexopaul. The PTC events carry too much points in comparison to the normal ranking events.
Some commentator said a few months ago that only your best couple of ptc results should be taken into account. I like that idea.
i disagree i like the fact it makes players lose out if they not committed.
i want players committed its a lot of hard work to get this sport back to the top i for 1 want players to do all they can to help that and if they don't tough its qualifying.
I disagree strongly. Because that commitment isn't worth anything to the fans. The PTCs aren't shown on TV but because they are so important due to their massive points they dictate the rankings. Also the PTCs aren't going to help snooker get back to a top sport, ranking events like the one in Australia do.
so you would be happy for players not to bother going to europe to promote the sport showing sponsors that snooker are a sport to invest in.
and how do you think snooker will get back on it feet by players twiddeling their thumbs at home and staying up the rankings....
its all change they got to work for it now or goodbye get another Job.
im extremely pleased the PTC are Dictating the Rankings cant be pleased in fact that way top players has to make the effort and because of that Effort the PTC Events will have a chance to grow in to bigger events like the ones in China and Potentially Australia.
Barry Hearn knows exactly what hes doing with the PTC from top to bottom.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:I have to agree with Alexopaul. The PTC events carry too much points in comparison to the normal ranking events.
Some commentator said a few months ago that only your best couple of ptc results should be taken into account. I like that idea.
i disagree i like the fact it makes players lose out if they not committed.
i want players committed its a lot of hard work to get this sport back to the top i for 1 want players to do all they can to help that and if they don't tough its qualifying.
I disagree strongly. Because that commitment isn't worth anything to the fans. The PTCs aren't shown on TV but because they are so important due to their massive points they dictate the rankings. Also the PTCs aren't going to help snooker get back to a top sport, ranking events like the one in Australia do.
so you would be happy for players not to bother going to europe to promote the sport showing sponsors that snooker are a sport to invest in.
and how do you think snooker will get back on it feet by players twiddeling their thumbs at home and staying up the rankings....
its all change they got to work for it now or goodbye get another Job.
im extremely pleased the PTC are Dictating the Rankings cant be pleased in fact that way top players has to make the effort and because of that Effort the PTC Events will have a chance to grow in to bigger events like the ones in China and Potentially Australia.
Barry Hearn knows exactly what hes doing with the PTC from top to bottom.
Wild I agree that snooker needs the PTC events but it shouldn't be the place there the rankings are decided. The ranking should say you who is the best not the most diligent player.
And again new proper ranking events let the sport grow much more than some matches in a backroom with no camera and (mostly) no sponsors.
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by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:i disagree i like the fact it makes players lose out if they not committed.
i want players committed its a lot of hard work to get this sport back to the top i for 1 want players to do all they can to help that and if they don't tough its qualifying.
I disagree strongly. Because that commitment isn't worth anything to the fans. The PTCs aren't shown on TV but because they are so important due to their massive points they dictate the rankings. Also the PTCs aren't going to help snooker get back to a top sport, ranking events like the one in Australia do.
so you would be happy for players not to bother going to europe to promote the sport showing sponsors that snooker are a sport to invest in.
and how do you think snooker will get back on it feet by players twiddeling their thumbs at home and staying up the rankings....
its all change they got to work for it now or goodbye get another Job.
im extremely pleased the PTC are Dictating the Rankings cant be pleased in fact that way top players has to make the effort and because of that Effort the PTC Events will have a chance to grow in to bigger events like the ones in China and Potentially Australia.
Barry Hearn knows exactly what hes doing with the PTC from top to bottom.
Wild I agree that snooker needs the PTC events but it shouldn't be the place there the rankings are decided. The ranking should say you who is the best not the most diligent player.
And again new proper ranking events let the sport grow not some matches in a backroom with no camera and (mostly) no sponsors.
in away i agree with you and in time id like the best out of PTC Events to count rather than all but snooker players have got lasy Barry Hearn at the mo want to instil a professional work ethick in to them when the sport gets back on it feet there will be less and less emphasis on the PTC Ranking wise and possibly less PTC Events and more main rankers.
its just at the moment everyone has to work together to make snooker great so hes trying every tactic to get players playing in All PTC if possible.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
Wild wrote:in away i agree with you and in time id like the best out of PTC Events to count rather than all but snooker players have got lasy Barry Hearn at the mo want to instil a professional work ethick in to them when the sport gets back on it feet there will be less and less emphasis on the PTC Ranking wise and possibly less PTC Events and more main rankers.
its just at the moment everyone has to work together to make snooker great so hes trying every tactic to get players playing in All PTC if possible.
I agree mostly. But the reputation of the rankings clearly suffered last season. And that is also bad for the sport just like the laziness of many players.
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by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:in away i agree with you and in time id like the best out of PTC Events to count rather than all but snooker players have got lasy Barry Hearn at the mo want to instil a professional work ethick in to them when the sport gets back on it feet there will be less and less emphasis on the PTC Ranking wise and possibly less PTC Events and more main rankers.
its just at the moment everyone has to work together to make snooker great so hes trying every tactic to get players playing in All PTC if possible.
I agree mostly. But the reputation of the rankings clearly suffered last season. And that is also bad for the sport just like the laziness of many players.
in what way has the rep of the rankings suffered ?
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
Wild wrote:Snooker Overdrive wrote:Wild wrote:in away i agree with you and in time id like the best out of PTC Events to count rather than all but snooker players have got lasy Barry Hearn at the mo want to instil a professional work ethick in to them when the sport gets back on it feet there will be less and less emphasis on the PTC Ranking wise and possibly less PTC Events and more main rankers.
its just at the moment everyone has to work together to make snooker great so hes trying every tactic to get players playing in All PTC if possible.
I agree mostly. But the reputation of the rankings clearly suffered last season. And that is also bad for the sport just like the laziness of many players.
in what way has the rep of the rankings suffered ?
It's no longer a reliable source for displaying the best players.
Let's look at the new provisional rankings:
1. Selby - look Alexopauls complains
2. Williams - OK but isn't better than Higgins
3. Higgins - should be no. 1
4. Ding - better than Selby
5. Carter - too high
6. Maguire -
7. Murphy - OK
8. Robertson - too low
9. Trump - OK
10. Dott - OK
11. Allen - OK
12. Ebdon - too high
13. Stevens - way too high
14. Lee - too high
15. Ronnie -
16. Gould - OK
This Top 16 list tells us everything but who are the best 16 players in a correct order.
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by Wildey » 21 May 2011 Read
you really are missing the point of rankings mate you cant seriously think Ronnie is 2 low hes hardly played any matches if Ronnie retired today he would still be a brilliant player but he would be slipping to 16,32,48,64 and off the tour.
Rankings are there to reward consistency not to determine who the best is....we all know Higgins is the best player at the moment but he missed 2 rankers pulled out of germany after his father passed away and did not play in 10 PTC and the Grand final thats a lot of points he did not get selby got.
you cant just stick him at the top and sod how many points he gets.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 21 May 2011 Read
Wild wrote:you really are missing the point of rankings mate you cant seriously think Ronnie is 2 low hes hardly played any matches if Ronnie retired today he would still be a brilliant player but he would be slipping to 16,32,48,64 and off the tour.
Rankings are there to reward consistency not to determine who the best is....we all know Higgins is the best player at the moment but he missed 2 rankers pulled out of germany after his father passed away and did not play in 10 PTC and the Grand final thats a lot of points he did not get selby got.
you cant just stick him at the top and sod how many points he gets.
Wild you are going back to my original argument - that the rankings are currently flawed - because they of course have to determine who is the best - nothing else.
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by Wildey » 04 Sep 2011 Read
World Snooker has issued the
NEW Official Calender for the Season
http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/Tourna ... llCalendarTHIS LIST IS RANKING POINT COUNTING EVENTS ONLY PTC GREEN
QUALIFIERS BLUE
MAIN EVENT RED
2011
JUNE20-22
PTC 1
Academy, Sheffield
27-30
Australian Goaldfields Open
Academy, Sheffield
JULY18-24
Australian Goldfields OpenAUGUST1-4
Shanghai Masters Qualifiers
Academy, Sheffield6-10
PTC2
South West Snooker Academy, Gloucester
17-21
PTC 3
Academy, Sheffield25-28
PTC 4/Paul Hunter Classic
Fuerth, GermanySEPTEMBER5-11
Shanghai Masters
China21-25
PTC5
Academy, Sheffield29-2 October
PTC6
EuropeSEEDING CUT OFF FOR UK CHAMPIONSHIP, GERMAN MASTERS, THE MASTERS AND THE SHOOT-OUT
OCTOBER 5-9
PTC7
South West Snooker Academy, Gloucester
20-23
PTC 8
IrelandNOVEMBER6-9
UK Championship qualifiers
South West Snooker Academy, Gloucester
10-13
PTC 9
Belgium22-25
German Masters qualifiers
Academy, Sheffield
26-30
PTC 10
EuropeDECEMBER
3-11
UK Championship
Barbican Centre, York
15-18
PTC 11
Europe2012JANUARY5-8
PTC12
EuropeSEEDING CUT OFF FOR WELSH OPEN / CHINA OPEN/HEINAN WORLD OPEN/RANKING EVENT FEB/MARCH
11-14
Hainan World Open qualifiers (TBC)
Academy, Sheffield17-20
Ranking event (Feb/Mar) qualifiers (TBC)
Academy, SheffieldFEBRUARY1-5
German Masters
Tempodrom, Berlin8-11
Welsh Open Qualifiers
Academy13-19
Welsh OpenSEEDING CUT OFF FOR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
21-24
China Open Qualifiers
Academy27 April-March 3
Ranking event TBCMARCH5-11
Hainan World Open (TBC)
Hainan, China14-18
PTC Final26 March - 1 April
China Open
Beijing, ChinaAPRIL4-15
Betfred.com World Championship Qualifiers
Badminton Hall, EIS
21 April - 7 May
Betfred.com World Championship
Crucible Theatre, SheffieldEND OF SEASON CUT OFFtheres a few changes the major one being that the World Qualifiers is not concluded until 6 days before the crucible stages despite cut off hapening mid february.
Seeding Cut offs look a bit messy to be honest with players playing 4 Ranking Events including PTC Finals with Seeding for the World Championship already decided and no Qualifiers played.
i hope for 2012/2013 season it looks better and more sensable we could have someone having a brilliant 3 event run end up in the top 16 and not at the World Championship.
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by Wildey » 04 Sep 2011 Read
why couldnt the WC Cut off happen after the PTC Finals even the China Open ?
looks a bit stupid like that.
Snooker Fans has to get used to rolling Rankings and Roll with the punches this bullocks about not knowing whos playing is never a issue with Tennis so why should it be with Snooker ?
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by Witz78 » 04 Sep 2011 Read
thats a complicated nonsense with qualifiers being played for tournaments after seedings cut offs when 17th may already be in top 16 and stupid that they have to then play a qualifier.
with the worlds qualifiers just before the Crucible its so simple just to have a cut off AFTER the China Open so the rankings / seedings are totally up to date and properly rolling so the true top 16 are def in Sheffield.
absolute joke this looking over it, players wont know whats going on
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by Wildey » 04 Sep 2011 Read
Witz78 wrote:thats a complicated nonsense with qualifiers being played for tournaments after seedings cut offs when 17th may already be in top 16 and stupid that they have to then play a qualifier.
with the worlds qualifiers just before the Crucible its so simple just to have a cut off AFTER the China Open so the rankings / seedings are totally up to date and properly rolling so the true top 16 are def in Sheffield.
absolute joke this looking over it, players wont know whats going on
its shambolic isnt it
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by Witz78 » 04 Sep 2011 Read
im actually refusing to look at it again cos it will just make my blood boil at the sheer stupdity of it. one flaw after another, whats the point of rolling rankings that arent used as much as possible, rolling rankings are system, base them on the last 2 years results as much as possible, these muppets cockerel up something simple by overlapping things, cut offs at illogical times etc.
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by Wildey » 18 Sep 2011 Read
Just Looking at the Current Callender and without the PTC and New Events it would look like this
July 7 to 10
Wuxi Classic
9 weeks
Sep 5-11
Shanghai Masters
12 weeks
Dec 3-11
UK Championship
5 weeks
Jan 15-22
The Masters
3 weeks
Feb 13-19
Welsh Open
8 days
Feb 27-March 3rd
World Open
3 weeks
March 26th-April 1st
China Open
3 weeks
April 21st-May 7th
World Championship
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by Witz78 » 18 Sep 2011 Read
8 days?
why not just say a week..................
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by Wildey » 18 Sep 2011 Read
Witz78 wrote:8 days?
why not just say a week..................
good point
but it shows how little snooker we would have had up to now lol
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by Witz78 » 19 Sep 2011 Read
yeh but that calendar would have been a better one for the homesick players, international playbois, family men and fans who dont want snooker to grow into a proper sport.........
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by mishcka » 19 Sep 2011 Read
Witz78 wrote:yeh but that calendar would have been a better one for the homesick players, international playbois, family men and fans who dont want snooker to grow into a proper sport.........
And those of us who are trying to do some work while at work, and find it impossible when snooker is on! I've got to work overtime everyweek since the start of the season, to cover for the hours i spent just staring at my pc at work!
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by Wildey » 19 Sep 2011 Read
mishcka wrote:Witz78 wrote:yeh but that calendar would have been a better one for the homesick players, international playbois, family men and fans who dont want snooker to grow into a proper sport.........
And those of us who are trying to do some work while at work, and find it impossible when snooker is on! I've got to work overtime everyweek since the start of the season, to cover for the hours i spent just staring at my pc at work!
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