Tour Qualification !!!!

Wild wrote:whats this bullocks about

Anthony McGill ‏ @antsmcgill

@Craigie147 It's a bloody expensive sport!!! I'm good, World qualifiers next week so a good run in that would be nice! What you been upto?

Stephen Craigie ‏ @Craigie147

@antsmcgill yea lost sponsor so didnt really have a choice. Yea good luck, hope you do well! I aint bin up to much, jus lookin for work tbh!

how is snooker a bloody expensive sport compared to other individual sports.

GOLF EQUIPMENT

TENNIS RACKETS

SKIING EQUIPMENTS

Come on guys compared to other sports snooker is cheap when you start off all you need is a cue and chalk and you away.

yes Tennis and Golf players that make it big are on to more money but everyone starts in the same place as a baby that grows up to persue a chosen sport and persuing Tennis and Golf costs more as young players than Snooker does.

Alex0paul wrote:

Wild wrote:whats this bullocks about

Anthony McGill ‏ @antsmcgill

@Craigie147 It's a bloody expensive sport!!! I'm good, World qualifiers next week so a good run in that would be nice! What you been upto?

Stephen Craigie ‏ @Craigie147

@antsmcgill yea lost sponsor so didnt really have a choice. Yea good luck, hope you do well! I aint bin up to much, jus lookin for work tbh!

how is snooker a bloody expensive sport compared to other individual sports.

GOLF EQUIPMENT

TENNIS RACKETS

SKIING EQUIPMENTS

Come on guys compared to other sports snooker is cheap when you start off all you need is a cue and chalk and you away.

yes Tennis and Golf players that make it big are on to more money but everyone starts in the same place as a baby that grows up to persue a chosen sport and persuing Tennis and Golf costs more as young players than Snooker does.

All well and good having a cue and chalk but what about the amount of money needed to either buy a table or the price of all the hours of practice at the club?

Sonny wrote:If he can't afford to enter Q School, who are you to tell him he can?

Wild wrote:

Sonny wrote:If he can't afford to enter Q School, who are you to tell him he can?

if he cant he cant but mcgill bullshitting about snooker being a bloody expensive sport hasent a clue in hell.

in the grand scheme of things snooker is just about the cheapest....

Sonny wrote::roll:

It is bloody expensive if you've been entering tournaments, winning matches and find yourself out of pocket to the tune of several grand.

Sonny wrote:Even if he's living it for real and has no money....

Skullman wrote:Just heard that Aditya Mehta has got the Indian tourcard. Don't think anyone else would deserve it, as it seems from the amateur section he usually does very well in all the Indian tournaments.

Wild wrote:

Skullman wrote:Just heard that Aditya Mehta has got the Indian tourcard. Don't think anyone else would deserve it, as it seems from the amateur section he usually does very well in all the Indian tournaments.

yes but how unfair is that he was fortunatly to be born a indian so he gets a wild card for life because nobody else deserves it.

english players are handicaped because they have to actually win matches to get on tour.

Wild wrote:

Skullman wrote:Just heard that Aditya Mehta has got the Indian tourcard. Don't think anyone else would deserve it, as it seems from the amateur section he usually does very well in all the Indian tournaments.

yes but how unfair is that he was fortunatly to be born a indian so he gets a wild card for life because nobody else deserves it.

english players are handicaped because they have to actually win matches to get on tour.

roy142857 wrote:

Wild wrote:

Skullman wrote:Just heard that Aditya Mehta has got the Indian tourcard. Don't think anyone else would deserve it, as it seems from the amateur section he usually does very well in all the Indian tournaments.

yes but how unfair is that he was fortunatly to be born a indian so he gets a wild card for life because nobody else deserves it.

english players are handicaped because they have to actually win matches to get on tour.

Mixed feelings about this - certainly think they should have waited to see if he won the Asian Championship first, not sure what they will do now if he does (or if Hossein Vafaei Ayouri wins, come to that).

I take your point Wild to some extent, but non-British players are also handicapped by where Q School is held ...

David Hendon ‏ @davehendon

Alas, Alex Pagulayan has decided not to take up his main tour place from North America

Wild WC wrote:

David Hendon ‏ @davehendon

Alas, Alex Pagulayan has decided not to take up his main tour place from North America

Monique wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

David Hendon ‏ @davehendon

Alas, Alex Pagulayan has decided not to take up his main tour place from North America

Big shame this. I'd like to know why.

Wild WC wrote:

Monique wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

David Hendon ‏ @davehendon

Alas, Alex Pagulayan has decided not to take up his main tour place from North America

Big shame this. I'd like to know why.

Most Proberbly the Traveling involved

dont know much about his Pool Career but my guess is the Tour is very much US Based.

Alpha wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

Monique wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

David Hendon ‏ @davehendon

Alas, Alex Pagulayan has decided not to take up his main tour place from North America

Big shame this. I'd like to know why.

Most Proberbly the Traveling involved

dont know much about his Pool Career but my guess is the Tour is very much US Based.

I hate to say it but he probably looked at the costs involved, the fact he will have to base himself in the UK to give himself a proper chance and the possibility that his pool career will be interrupted and decided it just wasn't worth it.

Alpha wrote:And his age is counting against him as well, he's 36. Shame because I was looking forward to seeing him, but he's better off where he is.

Witz78 wrote:

Monique wrote:No we will not see many drop out next season and I expect the tour to be extended to 128. It's the 2013/14 season that will see the changes, when those entering now will have had their 2 years.

its still pretty crap how WS have took this decision to hinder any of the new guys making a serious go of getting into the top 64 and thus one less qualifying game and a better chance of earning money.

the SIMPLE SOLUTION would have been this.

give all the guys out of the top 64 starter points so there starting a SINGLE token point below 64th placed man (Barry Pinches on a 2 year total of 20,495) so these guys would all start on 20,494 points.

They would lose points throughout the season at the cut offs on a pro rata basis

In effect it would mean the newcomers were getting a fair crack of the whip to enter the top 64.

even if theres a no relegation rule implemented so Pinches and others who would prob drop below 64th would be saved, at least this system wouldnt half progress for new guys.

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ALSO

with the order of merit being calculated in tandem with the current ranking points system, with a view to this kicking in, in 2 years time..........WHAT CHANCE do the young guys have of getting a good ranking when season 2014-15 starts, as the seeds in top 16, 32, 48 will be picking up £££££s towards their ranking even if they lose compared to the low ranked guys who are totally up against it having to win a few games before they even get any £££ to count towards their rankings.

2 QUESTIONS

Will losing seeds get the same ££££ prize money towards their rankings as quaifiers who reach the same round ???

How will qualifiers who win 1 or 2 games but dont earn any money, be any better off in the rankings than guys who get beat in the 1st qualifying round?

roy142857 wrote:

Witz78 wrote:

Monique wrote:No we will not see many drop out next season and I expect the tour to be extended to 128. It's the 2013/14 season that will see the changes, when those entering now will have had their 2 years.

its still pretty crap how WS have took this decision to hinder any of the new guys making a serious go of getting into the top 64 and thus one less qualifying game and a better chance of earning money.

the SIMPLE SOLUTION would have been this.

give all the guys out of the top 64 starter points so there starting a SINGLE token point below 64th placed man (Barry Pinches on a 2 year total of 20,495) so these guys would all start on 20,494 points.

They would lose points throughout the season at the cut offs on a pro rata basis

In effect it would mean the newcomers were getting a fair crack of the whip to enter the top 64.

even if theres a no relegation rule implemented so Pinches and others who would prob drop below 64th would be saved, at least this system wouldnt half progress for new guys.

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ALSO

with the order of merit being calculated in tandem with the current ranking points system, with a view to this kicking in, in 2 years time..........WHAT CHANCE do the young guys have of getting a good ranking when season 2014-15 starts, as the seeds in top 16, 32, 48 will be picking up £££££s towards their ranking even if they lose compared to the low ranked guys who are totally up against it having to win a few games before they even get any £££ to count towards their rankings.

2 QUESTIONS

Will losing seeds get the same ££££ prize money towards their rankings as quaifiers who reach the same round ???

How will qualifiers who win 1 or 2 games but dont earn any money, be any better off in the rankings than guys who get beat in the 1st qualifying round?

Whilst I like your simple solution, I'd like even better a more radical solution if we're in a situation where no-one is being relegated in 12 months time ... taking advantage of that to really shake up the rankings order by putting everyone on ZERO points from previous years a short way into the season. Allocate places in draws for say the first 3 - 4 months of the season by the old points plus any new points accumulated, and then simply do away with all points from previous seasons and base everything on points from this season.

Wild WC wrote:

roy142857 wrote:

Witz78 wrote:

Monique wrote:No we will not see many drop out next season and I expect the tour to be extended to 128. It's the 2013/14 season that will see the changes, when those entering now will have had their 2 years.

its still pretty crap how WS have took this decision to hinder any of the new guys making a serious go of getting into the top 64 and thus one less qualifying game and a better chance of earning money.

the SIMPLE SOLUTION would have been this.

give all the guys out of the top 64 starter points so there starting a SINGLE token point below 64th placed man (Barry Pinches on a 2 year total of 20,495) so these guys would all start on 20,494 points.

They would lose points throughout the season at the cut offs on a pro rata basis

In effect it would mean the newcomers were getting a fair crack of the whip to enter the top 64.

even if theres a no relegation rule implemented so Pinches and others who would prob drop below 64th would be saved, at least this system wouldnt half progress for new guys.

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ALSO

with the order of merit being calculated in tandem with the current ranking points system, with a view to this kicking in, in 2 years time..........WHAT CHANCE do the young guys have of getting a good ranking when season 2014-15 starts, as the seeds in top 16, 32, 48 will be picking up £££££s towards their ranking even if they lose compared to the low ranked guys who are totally up against it having to win a few games before they even get any £££ to count towards their rankings.

2 QUESTIONS

Will losing seeds get the same ££££ prize money towards their rankings as quaifiers who reach the same round ???

How will qualifiers who win 1 or 2 games but dont earn any money, be any better off in the rankings than guys who get beat in the 1st qualifying round?

Whilst I like your simple solution, I'd like even better a more radical solution if we're in a situation where no-one is being relegated in 12 months time ... taking advantage of that to really shake up the rankings order by putting everyone on ZERO points from previous years a short way into the season. Allocate places in draws for say the first 3 - 4 months of the season by the old points plus any new points accumulated, and then simply do away with all points from previous seasons and base everything on points from this season.

yea BUT that will force players to enter Australia and Wuxi another form of "BLACKMAIL" lol

otherwise we could have the Likes of John Higgins having to play 2 or even 3 Qualifiers for the UK Championship because he has said he wont go to Wuxi or Australia.

Wild WC wrote:well im all for blackmail i seriously think at the moment players should be forced to enter events then in 5 or 6 years think of best of results when the sport is trully back on it feet but i think the PTC Will only grow if Top players suport them.