Speed it up ...

GJ wrote:

Bourne wrote:GJ what did you think about Robbo starting to slow down his game and grind away in the World final last year against Dott to win ?

if he was well over 30 secs a shot he was in the wrong

Bourne wrote:GJ what did you think about Robbo starting to slow down his game and grind away in the World final last year against Dott to win ?

Bourne wrote:

GJ wrote:

Bourne wrote:GJ what did you think about Robbo starting to slow down his game and grind away in the World final last year against Dott to win ?

if he was well over 30 secs a shot he was in the wrong

So you are in favour of a 30 second shot clock ?

vodkadiet wrote:

Bourne wrote:GJ what did you think about Robbo starting to slow down his game and grind away in the World final last year against Dott to win ?

Robbo's tactic was fair. He knows Dott likes quick play and would get annoyed by it. The same applied in the Ebbo vs O'Sullivan match in 2005. If an opponent cannot deal with it then that is a weakness in their mental make up. John Higgins and Mark Williams wouldn't let it bother them.

I think it is part of the game to slow a player down to enable you to win a match.

Fair play to Robbo for using the tactic last year, and fair play to Ebbo in 2005.

Dott and O'Sullivan need to address their mental gremlins with regard to playing players who slow the match down to gain an advantage.

Monique wrote:The rules say it's gamesmanship, so it is. That's non negociable. Barry Hearn is not trying to change the rules, it's already in the rules and has been for a long time.
BTW ROS never complained about what Ebdon did, he said that he did what he had to do to win. That doesn't change the fact that it was against the rules and Ebdon should have been warned and he very well knew it. He never did it again, never to that extend anyway.
As for Higgins I don't know, but Williams certainly can be frustrated. I've seen it enough.
Come to it Ebdon can be frustrated! I remember one first round match - in the Shanghai Masters 2007 - when Dave Harold did to Ebdon what Ebdon had done to ROS, and Ebdon lost his patience, got extremely frustrated and the match. And yes I DID enjoy that!

Tubberlad wrote:I think Frame has this about right. Some may see it as gamesmanship, I am not one of those people. As has been said, Higgins and Williams would not be bothered by it, and it would probably be unwise trying to annoy them in such a way. As for Ronnie, you are playing a weakness in his game. I call it matchplay.

vodkadiet wrote:Ebdon didn't break the rules. There is no time limit to how long a player can take.

O'Sullivan got everything he deserved and good riddance to him.

GJ

Am I to assume that you would rather Robbo not used the slowing down tactic last year in favour of playing at his normal pace and losing to Dott?

Yes or no will suffice.

Bourne wrote:Monique is just making up 'rules'

Monique wrote:Wild, I agree that the media are not the best place for relaying the rules although I doubt that it will affect players or refs in any way.
They will probably have been briefed about it at the start of the tournament.

GJ wrote:

vodkadiet wrote:Ebdon didn't break the rules. There is no time limit to how long a player can take.

O'Sullivan got everything he deserved and good riddance to him.

GJ

Am I to assume that you would rather Robbo not used the slowing down tactic last year in favour of playing at his normal pace and losing to Dott?

Yes or no will suffice.

in the past i would say yes but im now more mature and try to see what is best for ths whole sport and not just what suits my favourite players

SECTION 4. THE PLAYERS
1. Conduct
In the event of:
(a) a Player taking an abnormal amount of time over a stroke or the selection of a stroke; or
(b) any conduct by a Player which in the opinion
of the referee is wilfully or persistently unfair; or
(c) any other conduct by a Player which otherwise
amounts to ungentlemanly conduct; or
(d) refusing to continue a frame;
the referee shall either:
(e) warn the Player that in the event of any such further
conduct the frame will be awarded to his opponent; or
(f) award the frame to his opponent; or
(g) in the event that the conduct is sufficiently serious
award the game to his opponent
If a referee has warned the Player under (e) above, in the event of any further conduct as referred to above, the referee must either:
(a) award the frame to his opponent; or
(b) in the event that the further conduct is sufficiently serious, award the game to his opponent.
If a referee has awarded a frame to a Player's opponent pursuant to the above provisions, in the event of any further conduct as referred to above by the Player concerned, the referee must award the game to the Player's opponent.
Any decision by a referee to award a frame and/or the game to a Player's opponent shall be final and shall not be subject to any appeal.

vodkadiet wrote:

GJ wrote:

vodkadiet wrote:Ebdon didn't break the rules. There is no time limit to how long a player can take.

O'Sullivan got everything he deserved and good riddance to him.

GJ

Am I to assume that you would rather Robbo not used the slowing down tactic last year in favour of playing at his normal pace and losing to Dott?

Yes or no will suffice.

in the past i would say yes but im now more mature and try to see what is best for ths whole sport and not just what suits my favourite players

Would you like to see Robbo stripped of his title then? If Hearn says it is only right and that by stripping Robbo of his world title it would show he meant business and is in the best interests of the sport, and anyone doing the same this year will also be stripped of the title.

Monique wrote:Robertson was slower than usual against Dott but both players were very tired and very tense and he never contemplated a straightforward ball for minutes...

Bourne wrote:GJ all you're going on about is one extraordinary, unique break that happened nearly 6 years ago ... if it was commonplace, you'd have a point, but it was a one-off.

Monique wrote:Robertson was slower than usual against Dott but both players were very tired and very tense and he never contemplated a straightforward ball for minutes...