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Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby lhpirnie

Holden Chinaski wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing - Gerrard Greene still on tour!

All that agony on the final black against Perry...

Mark Davis.

Ironically, had he known he would still be on tour, he would have potted that pink and qualified.


It is a controversial decision. OK, WST probably know that Zhao Xintong, Yan Bingtao, Mark King and Lu Ning will not be returning, but their ranking position was determined before their suspensions. In that sense the players who are benefiting haven't earned their position according to the rules. For example, if a top-64 player announced his retirement at the end of a season, that doesn't mean No.65 suddenly gets to keep his place.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby gninnur karona

lhpirnie wrote:It is a controversial decision. OK, WST probably know that Zhao Xintong, Yan Bingtao, Mark King and Lu Ning will not be returning, but their ranking position was determined before their suspensions. In that sense the players who are benefiting haven't earned their position according to the rules. For example, if a top-64 player announced his retirement at the end of a season, that doesn't mean No.65 suddenly gets to keep his place.


I think WST have made the right decision. Pragmatic, covers all eventualities, ensures that no-one loses out whichever scenario plays out, provides certainty for every player that isn't facing sanctions, removes any time pressure from the independent tribunal process and any subsequent appeal.

If the four players you named had been judged before the end of 2022-23, and suspended for a period ending after the end of 2023-24 they would logically have been excluded from the rankings at least for tour survival purposes (see Cao Yupeng end 2018-19)

WST have opted to ensure equity with the possibility that it will end up as equity+. That's preferable to risking falling short of equity.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby SnookerFan

Dan-cat wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing - Gerrard Greene still on tour!

All that agony on the final black against Perry...

Mark Davis.


oh yeah. haha.


You've had a mare there, Dan.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby The_Abbott

Stuart Carrington must be spitting feathers that it wasn't 69 players.

Very good decision and common sense considering there are 4 cheaters in the top 64 that probably be suspended for most of the season.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby Dan-cat

SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing - Gerrard Greene still on tour!

All that agony on the final black against Perry...

Mark Davis.


oh yeah. haha.


You've had a mare there, Dan.


I watched the end of that match aswell!

It's this strange problem I have. I group players together -who I think are similar and have had similar careers - and get them mixed up. Stuart Bingham and Barry Hawkins, Gould and Dott, Gerrard and Mavis

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby SnookerEd25

Dan-cat wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing - Gerrard Greene still on tour!

All that agony on the final black against Perry...

Mark Davis.


oh yeah. haha.


You've had a mare there, Dan.


I watched the end of that match aswell!

It's this strange problem I have. I group players together -who I think are similar and have had similar careers - and get them mixed up. Stuart Bingham and Barry Hawkins, Gould and Dott, Gerrard and Mavis


I said the same about Milkins and Holt and you said I was crazier than a chocolate teapot :grrr:

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby Reg Varney

SteveJJ wrote:https://wst.tv/tour-survivors-extended-to-up-to-68/

Reasonable decision. Hope those now not relegated, knew this was on the cards sooner than today.


When Talker Walker interviewed Mark Davis as he came out for his match with Tony Knowles at the Seniors last night, Davis said that he only found out a couple of hours ago.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby Iranu

SnookerEd25 wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:They are just so different!!! <laugh>


Hawkins and Bingham are chalk and chicken :hmmm:

Are they buck

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby SnookerEd25

Iranu wrote:
SnookerEd25 wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:They are just so different!!! <laugh>


Hawkins and Bingham are chalk and chicken :hmmm:

Are they buck


Yes, they are. One a World Champ, Masters winner, and six times a victor in Ranking Events. The other has only three Rankers to his name, and is a serial ‘bottler’ (according to many on this site) in finals. For all his faults, nobody could accuse Bingo of the same. Nobody should be confusing the two.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby Dan-cat

Apart from the Worlds victory (Bazza got to the final, and until this year had the Crucible specialist tag), very similar career trajectory, particularly the 'ticking over as journeyman for years until we suddenly had loads of tournaments' theme.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby Iranu

SnookerEd25 wrote:Yes, they are. One a World Champ, Masters winner, and six times a victor in Ranking Events. The other has only three Rankers to his name, and is a serial ‘bottler’ (according to many on this site) in finals. For all his faults, nobody could accuse Bingo of the same. Nobody should be confusing the two.

I was thinking more in terms of playing style/to watch tbf. Bingham always strikes me as a better Hawkins.

The Hawk and the Gent even more so.

Re: Top 68 Survive Relegation This Season

Postby SnookerFan

Dan-cat wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:That's amazing - Gerrard Greene still on tour!

All that agony on the final black against Perry...

Mark Davis.


oh yeah. haha.


You've had a mare there, Dan.


I watched the end of that match aswell!

It's this strange problem I have. I group players together -who I think are similar and have had similar careers - and get them mixed up. Stuart Bingham and Barry Hawkins, Gould and Dott, Gerrard and Mavis



How in the name of buck have Gould and Dott had the same level of career? Dott was World Champion.

Actually, same as Bingham and Hawkins too, thinking about it. Yes, Bingham was a journeyman for years. But he's been a World Champion and Masters Champion. Hawkins doesn't have his resume.