Q School 2012

The Order of Merit top 20 with no frames awarded for walkovers:

Jordan Brown 43
Michael Wasley 36
Scott Donaldson (OUT) 33
Ashley Wright (OUT) 32
Rod Lawler 31 (FD 16)
Ryan Causton (OUT) 31 (FD 5)
Gareth Allen (OUT) 30 (FD 8)
Michael Wild (OUT) 30 (FD 8)
Jeff Cundy (OUT) 29
Duane Jones 28
Nick Jennings (OUT) 27 (FD 5)
Adrian Ridley (OUT) 27 (FD 5)
Gary Wilson (OUT) 26 (FD 10)
Joel Walker 26 (FD 9)
Greg Batten (OUT) 25 (FD 9)
Marc Robertson (OUT) 25 (FD 5)
Fraser Patrick 25 (FD 4)
Adrian Gunnell 24 (FD 11)
Ben Harrison (OUT) 24 (FD 7)
Allan Taylor 23

... and the players who are still in but further back ...
Joe Delaney 22, Lucky Vatnani 22, Robbie Williams 22, Justin Astley 21, Lee Spick 20, John Sutton 16, Mitchell Mann 16, Josh Boileau 12

 
The Order of Merit top 20 if frames are awarded for walkovers, walkovers shown as giving a frame difference of +1:

Jordan Brown 43
Scott Donaldson (OUT) 37
Michael Wasley 36
Gareth Allen (OUT) 34
Duane Jones 32 (FD 16)
Adrian Gunnell 32 (FD 13)
Ashley Wright (OUT) 32 (FD 8)
Rod Lawler 31 (FD 16)
Ryan Causton (OUT) 31 (FD 5)
Joel Walker 30 (FD 10)
Michael Wild (OUT) 30 (FD 8)
Jeff Cundy (OUT) 29 (FD 7)
Fraser Patrick 29 (FD 5)
Allan Taylor 27 (FD 12)
Nick Jennings (OUT) 27 (FD 5)
Adrian Ridley (OUT) 27 (FD 5)
Gary Wilson (OUT) 26 (FD 10)
Lucky Vatnani 26 (FD 7)
Robbie Williams 26 (FD 7)
Greg Batten 25 (FD 9)

... and the players who are still in but further back ...
Lee Spick 24, Joe Delaney 22, Justin Astley 21, John Sutton 20, Mitchell Mann 20, Josh Boileau 16

16 men

4 will be happy and 12 disapointed

Who gets on the Main Tour for 2 years ?

Wild WC wrote:16 men

4 will be happy and 12 disapointed

Who gets on the Main Tour for 2 years ?

or as Monique might say

12 men will be happy

and 4 will be dissapointed

Witz78 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:16 men

4 will be happy and 12 disapointed

Who gets on the Main Tour for 2 years ?

or as Monique might say

12 men will be happy

and 4 will be dissapointed

So true!

Of the ones remaining I hope for Jordan Brown , Michael Wasley , Lucky Vatnani and Duane Jones.

Witz78 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:16 men

4 will be happy and 12 disapointed

Who gets on the Main Tour for 2 years ?

or as Monique might say

12 men will be happy

and 4 will be dissapointed

yup lets hope some of the young players that failed to Qualify start Baby Making so they can Spend time with their Families of Course they could start Snooker Players Baby Sitting service Ronnie might sign his kids in

MON JOEL

another one of my proteges

Joel Walker is 2-0 up on Justin Astley and in the Battle of the Veterans Rod Lawler (40) Leads Joe Delaney (39) 1-0

Wild WC wrote:Joel Walker is 2-0 up on Justin Astley and in the Battle of the Veterans Rod Lawler (40) Leads Joe Delaney (39) 1-0

hopefully the 2 old duds take 2 years to finish their game so the tour card has expired

Joel Walker does it! Former protege of Ronnie, dont know much else about him but at least hes young and its a tour card for someone who hasnt had their time.

kenneth79 wrote:Joel Walker does it! Former protege of Ronnie, dont know much else about him but at least hes young and its a tour card for someone who hasnt had their time.

unlike Rod Lawler who Turned Pro about 3 years before Joel was Born.

Wild WC wrote:

kenneth79 wrote:Joel Walker does it! Former protege of Ronnie, dont know much else about him but at least hes young and its a tour card for someone who hasnt had their time.

unlike Rod Lawler who Turned Pro about 3 years before Joel was Born.

Yeah looks like the young Mr. Lawler will do it But lets face it Delaney is not a better option in that regard!

So Michael Wasley has Qualified for a 2 year Tour card and im sure very satisfying for everyone at SWSA with Michael being their First Venture in to Snooker Management finally gets on the Pro Tour.

Congrats to the last two qualifiers Wasley and Robbie (!) Williams

Now lets hope World Snooker will reveal the correct Q school OOM , confirms the 99 MT players. After all the season begins next Tuesday

Also wishing World Snooker would sort the Order of Merit, wondering if they've decided or whether they're weighing up the options to see what effect each has !

Ok, so Order of Merit with no frames awarded for walkovers:

1. Jordan Brown 44
2. Scott Donaldson 33
3. Ashley Wright 32 (FD 8)
4. Fraser Patrick 32 (FD 4)
5. Ryan Causton 31
6. Gareth Allen 30 (FD 8)
7. Michael Wild (FD 8)
8. Duane Jones 29 (FD 12)
9. Jeff Cundy 29 (FD 7)
=10. Nick Jennings 27 (FD 5)
=10. Adrian Ridley 27 (FD 5)
12. Gary Wilson 26 (FD 10)
13. Adrian Gunnell 26 (FD 9)
14. Joe Delaney 26 (FD 6)
=15. Greg Batten 25 (FD 9)
=15. Allan Taylor 25 (FD 9)
17. Marc Robertson 25 (FD 5)
18. Lucky Vatnani 25 (FD 5)
19. Justin Astley 25 (FD -3)
20. Ben Harrison 24

And here we are with each walkover treated as a 4-3 win:

1. Jordan Brown 44
2. Scott Donaldson 37
3. Fraser Patrick 36
4. Adrian Gunnell 34 (FD 11)
5. Gareth Allen 34 (FD 9)
6. Duane Jones 33
7. Ashley Wright 32
8. Ryan Causton 31
9. Michael Wild 30
10. Allan Taylor 29 (FD 10)
11. Jeff Cundy 29 (FD 7)
12. Lucky Vatnani 29 (FD 6)
13. Lee Spick 27 (FD 6)
=14. Nick Jennings 27 (FD 5)
=14. Adrian Ridley 27 (FD 5)
16. Gary Wilson 26 (FD 10)
17. Mitchell Mann 26 (FD 7)
18. Joe Delaney 26 (FD 6)
19. Greg Batten 25 (FD 9)
20. Li Hang 25 (FD 8)

Interesting to see who benefits from which method, think roughly:

Without frames for walkovers taken into account, the following are better off – Ashley Wright, Ryan Causton, Michael Wild, Nick Jennings, Adrian Ridley, Gary Wilson, Joe Delaney, Greg Batten, Marc Robertson, Jeff Cundy, Justin Astley, Ben Harrison

With 4 frames awarded for walkovers, the following are better off – Fraser Patrick, Gareth Allen, Adrian Gunnell, Duane Jones, Robbie Williams, Allan Taylor, Lucky Vatnani, Lee Spick, Mitchell Mann, Li Hang


Of course, you could award any number of frames from none to four for walkovers ... had a quick play with treating all walkovers as 1 - 0 wins, and no player is best off by this method (five equal the position they'd achieve with the best of the other alternatives). So maybe a method that's best for no-one is the best way of dealing with this (just a crazy thought). Still particularly bad for Adrian Gunnell because he had two rounds with no opponent. But anyway, the order that way would be:

1. Jordan Brown 44
2. Scott Donaldson 34
3. Fraser Patrick 33
4. Ashley Wright 32
5. Gareth Allen 31 (FD 9)
6. Ryan Causton 31 (FD 5)
7. Duane Jones 30 (FD 13)
8. Michael Wild 30 (FD 8)
9. Jeff Cundy 29
10. Adrian Gunnell 28
=11. Nick Jennings 27 (FD 5)
=11. Adrian Ridley 27 (FD 5)
=13. Allan Taylor 26 (FD 10)
=13. Gary Wilson 26 (FD 10)
=15. Lucky Vatnani 26 (FD 6)
=15. Joe Delaney 26 (FD 6)
17. Greg Batten 25 (FD 9)
18. Marc Robertson 25 (FD 5)
19. Justin Astley 25 (FD -3)
20. Ben Harrison 24

World Snooker will probably decide something completely different of course ...

Wonder what hurts most in this situation, going down 4-0 or going down 4-3 ... painful either way I suspect.

roy142857 wrote:Wonder what hurts most in this situation, going down 4-0 or going down 4-3 ... painful either way I suspect.

4-3 without doubt

4-0 youd just be snake hissed off and annoyed with yourself but 4-3 youd be reliving misses and knowing you could and maybe should have won so will have more regrets at being so near yet so far.

roy142857 wrote:Wonder what hurts most in this situation, going down 4-0 or going down 4-3 ... painful either way I suspect.

Losing 4-0 and having 4 black ball games and having a shot at the frame ball each frame would hurt.

Loosing hurts period but losing having had plenty of chances and miss easy balls are a killer thats why Stephen Hendry has had enough

Wild, if you have the time can you list all of those that won a tour card and of those can you highlight the players that are 23 and under? If you can't get it done it's no sweat. Thanks.

Casey wrote:Wild, if you have the time can you list all of those that won a tour card and of those can you highlight the players that are 23 and under? If you can't get it done it's no sweat. Thanks.

Already been done. Q School qualifiers

i think Rod Lawler is the only player thats Never droped Off and now he has a further 2 years.

Wild WC wrote:Q School Qualifiers

Sam Baird Age 23 Turned Pro 2009
Chen Zhe Age 19 Debut Season
Martin O'Donnell Age 26 Debut Season
Ian Burns Age 27 Debut Season
Sean O'Sullivan Age 18 Debut Season
Jamie O'Neill Age 26 Turned Pro 2007
Paul Davison Age 40 Turned Pro 1992
Daniel Wells Age 23 Turned Pro 2008
Joel Walker Age 18 Debut Season
Rod Lawler Age 40 Turned Pro 1990
Michael Wasley Age 22 Debut Season
Robbie Williams Age 26 Debut Season

Thanks Wild, apart from Burns, Davison and Lawler it's a good line up.

Davison and Lawler need to up their win rate from last year - 31% and 33% respectively - but a lot of players who were worse than that. I think they've proved in Q School they can still play and are worthy of a place, time will tell if they can do anything with it.