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Most surprising WC first round result of the decade?

2010 - Steve Davis 10-9 Mark King
0
No votes
2011 - Rory McLeod 10-6 Ricky Walden
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No votes
2012 - Cao Yupeng 10-6 Mark Allen
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No votes
2013 - Robert Milkins 10-8 Neil Robertson
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No votes
2014 - Michael Wasley 10-9 Ding Junhui
11
41%
2015 - Matthew Stevens 10-2 Mark Williams
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No votes
2016 - Michael Holt 10-6 Neil Robertson
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No votes
2017 - Rory McLeod 10-8 Judd Trump
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19%
2018 - Joe Perry 10-4 Mark Selby
2
7%
2019 - James Cahill 10-8 Ronnie O'Sullivan
9
33%
 
Total votes : 27

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby TheRocket

Ash147 wrote:I actually really enjoyed the 2014 World Championship, until the very last day.


hopefully that bottlejob/choke in 2014 wasnt the last time we saw Ronnie in a World final.

But its looking likely now it has to be said. Hopefully the old man has still another good run in him.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

TheRocket wrote:
Ash147 wrote:I actually really enjoyed the 2014 World Championship, until the very last day.


hopefully that bottlejob/choke in 2014 wasnt the last time we saw Ronnie in a World final.

But its looking likely now it has to be said. Hopefully the old man has still another good run in him.


I think for me the sad realisation that Ronnie's 2014 final would be his last came about two years ago, after he lost to Ding in 2017.

Even the Ronnie fans who are the epitome of optimism are starting to see that he's unlikely to make it to the one table setup, let alone win another final.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Iranu

Ash147 wrote:
Even the Ronnie fans who are the epitome of optimism are starting to see that he's unlikely to make it to the one table setup, let alone win another final.

Not sure I’d agree with the bold. Ronnie fans have thought he was finished on and off for about a decade.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Cloud Strife

Iranu wrote:
Ash147 wrote:
Even the Ronnie fans who are the epitome of optimism are starting to see that he's unlikely to make it to the one table setup, let alone win another final.

Not sure I’d agree with the bold. Ronnie fans have thought he was finished on and off for about a decade.


I'd like to introduce him to masterdoctorgenius.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby SnookerFan

Iranu wrote:
Ash147 wrote:
Even the Ronnie fans who are the epitome of optimism are starting to see that he's unlikely to make it to the one table setup, let alone win another final.

Not sure I’d agree with the bold. Ronnie fans have thought he was finished on and off for about a decade.


DECLINE!

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

Iranu wrote:
Ash147 wrote:
Even the Ronnie fans who are the epitome of optimism are starting to see that he's unlikely to make it to the one table setup, let alone win another final.

Not sure I’d agree with the bold. Ronnie fans have thought he was finished on and off for about a decade.


I do think that some of them are slowly starting to accept that Ronnie will finish his career with 5 World Titles. Let's be honest, anyone who still thinks that Ronnie will win another World Championship probably can't be reasoned with at this point.

Ronnie has had a great career, and he will continue to win more events, but his time as a potential World Champion ended several years ago.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

D4P wrote:I think Ronnie would almost certainly win at least one more WC if he committed himself 100% to the task, but I think the chances of him committing himself 100% to the task are much less than 100%...


We all know that Ronnie has the game to win it. We've also seen him with the right mind-set too. If he puts those two together, like he did in 2012 and 2013, he's essentially unplayable.

Ronnie's game is still in great shape, but he just doesn't have the right mind-set to get far in the World Championship, that much has been apparent since 2014.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

SnookerFan wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:How does he have the game to win it?
What evidence is there to support that?


The many other tournaments that he's won recently?


This. In the last two seasons he's won 8 ranking and 2 non ranking events, and for the most part he's done it playing brilliantly. His game is definitely there.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Badsnookerplayer

SnookerFan wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:How does he have the game to win it?
What evidence is there to support that?


The many other tournaments that he's won recently?

That is good evidence he can win other shorter events which nobody should reasonably deny.

His record at the Crucible does not support the assertion that he has the game to win it.

It is not just poor but he has been beaten by weaker and weaker opponents as time has gone on.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

Badsnookerplayer wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:How does he have the game to win it?
What evidence is there to support that?


The many other tournaments that he's won recently?

That is good evidence he can win other shorter events which nobody should reasonably deny.

His record at the Crucible does not support the assertion that he has the game to win it.

It is not just poor but he has been beaten by weaker and weaker opponents as time has gone on.


That's nothing to do with his game. That comes down to his state of mind.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

Badsnookerplayer wrote:bullocks.

So he has had a fragile state of mind at the WC for the last six years?

Are you suggesting Steve Peters is having no positive impact then?


He's not been comfortable with playing at the WC since 2014.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Badsnookerplayer

Ash147 wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:bullocks.

So he has had a fragile state of mind at the WC for the last six years?

Are you suggesting Steve Peters is having no positive impact then?


He's not been comfortable with playing at the WC since 2014.

I don't say he does not have the capability to win the WC.

What I am saying is that there is no evidence to suggest he will.

I suppose the UK might be used as an example of a 'major' that he has won recently but I think the WC stands apart and in recent years he has only shown us evidence that he does not have the game to win it.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

Badsnookerplayer wrote:
Ash147 wrote:
Badsnookerplayer wrote:bullocks.

So he has had a fragile state of mind at the WC for the last six years?

Are you suggesting Steve Peters is having no positive impact then?


He's not been comfortable with playing at the WC since 2014.

I don't say he does not have the capability to win the WC.

What I am saying is that there is no evidence to suggest he will.

I suppose the UK might be used as an example of a 'major' that he has won recently but I think the WC stands apart and in recent years he has only shown us evidence that he does not have the game to win it.


I agree with that. He certainly could win another World Championship, but he would need to apply himself completely, like in 2012 and 2013. That's not going to happen.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby HustleKing

Has to be Ding in 2014, when he was absolutely flying beforehand but still managed to lose against a journeyman player of the highest order. At least the other shock losers either weren't near career peak form, didn't lose to Michael Wasley, or in the case of Ronnie, were in a bad place psychologically for some or all of their match.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Lemnas

Other matches that are in the running for me:
Graeme Dott, who is supposed to be a long format-specialist, losing 10-1 against Joe Perry in 2012.
The Maguire-Poomjaeng match in 2013, which is similar to Cahill this year in a lot of ways.
Ken Doherty way past his prime winning 10-5 against Stuart Bingham in 2014, who reached the final of the CoC and the semi of the UK that year. Doherty hasn't qualified for the Crucible since.
Anthony McGill losing 10-2 to Stephen Maguire in 2017. Both had decent seasons, but Maguire lost in the first round 4 times prior while McGill had always played very well at the Crucible.

Out of the options in the poll I can't decide between Ding, Stevens and Cahill.

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Ash147

Lemnas wrote:Other matches that are in the running for me:
Graeme Dott, who is supposed to be a long format-specialist, losing 10-1 against Joe Perry in 2012.
The Maguire-Poomjaeng match in 2013, which is similar to Cahill this year in a lot of ways.
Ken Doherty way past his prime winning 10-5 against Stuart Bingham in 2014, who reached the final of the CoC and the semi of the UK that year. Doherty hasn't qualified for the Crucible since.
Anthony McGill losing 10-2 to Stephen Maguire in 2017. Both had decent seasons, but Maguire lost in the first round 4 times prior while McGill had always played very well at the Crucible.

Out of the options in the poll I can't decide between Ding, Stevens and Cahill.


The ones you mentioned were ones that came up in my mind as other big shocks, and I was tempted to chose all of them. In the end I think I got it right though.

I think 2018 was the most difficult year to pick, actually. These were some of the other surprises that year.

Shaun Murphy 9-10 Jamie Jones
Stuart Bingham 7-10 Jack Lisowski
Marco Fu 5-10 Luo Haotian
Neil Robertson 5-10 Robert Milkins

Re: Most surpsring WC first round result of the decade?

Postby Andre147

Voted Trump v McLeod. Despite his injury, I just thought there was absolutely no way Trump would lose against a player like him, especially after leading 4 nil.

Ding v Wasley was surprising considering Ding had won 5 rankers that season, but the difference is his record at The Crucible wasnt great.

Ronnie v Cahill was surprising for those that didnt watch the match. He was never playing properly, rushing shots and playing the wrong ones, as if he was down the club with the lads. The only time he started playing properly was from 8-5 down to 8 each, but by then damage was already done. If he had the right mindset he would have won that match 10-3 or something similar as Cahill himself always needed several chances to win frames.

But Rory v Trump goes top on my surprising results list.