by AlfGit » 01 Apr 2021 Read
As a matter of principle, do you believe it is the right decision to automatically give two-year main-tour cards to the top two players on the women's tour?
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by McManusFan » 01 Apr 2021 Read
Yep. It's not all that different to giving tour cards to leading amateurs from different areas of the world. It's good publicity, and it'll hopefully help more people get into the game.
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by Dan-cat » 01 Apr 2021 Read
McManusFan wrote:Yep. It's not all that different to giving tour cards to leading amateurs from different areas of the world. It's good publicity, and it'll hopefully help more people get into the game.
This.
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by lhpirnie » 01 Apr 2021 Read
McManusFan wrote:Yep. It's not all that different to giving tour cards to leading amateurs from different areas of the world. It's good publicity, and it'll hopefully help more people get into the game.
Yes perhaps. But they also give wildcards to ageing former top players. It's possible that wildcards are given to players just to create a bit of publicity, a 1-day news event.
I'm not actually in favour of a rigid 128-player tour. I'd have national champions, top women, etc. in some tournaments but maybe not all, depending on their ranking.
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by chengdufan » 02 Apr 2021 Read
We need to get away from this idea that the cards are 'wildcards for women'.
They're two spots earned on merit by being the best in a competitive amateur snooker event, the same as all the other routes to a card, other than the Jimmy route.
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by AlfGit » 02 Apr 2021 Read
chengdufan wrote:We need to get away from this idea that the cards are 'wildcards for women'.
They're two spots earned on merit by being the best in a competitive amateur snooker event, the same as all the other routes to a card, other than the Jimmy route.
As with any issue of this nature, there are pros and cons to both sides.
It seems that the primary objection of those against is that the competitive amateur snooker events in question are exclusively for women, and there are no events that lead to a tour card from which women are excluded. Consequently, women now have
more opportunity than men, whereas it was equal before.
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by chengdufan » 02 Apr 2021 Read
AlfGit wrote:chengdufan wrote:We need to get away from this idea that the cards are 'wildcards for women'.
They're two spots earned on merit by being the best in a competitive amateur snooker event, the same as all the other routes to a card, other than the Jimmy route.
As with any issue of this nature, there are pros and cons to both sides.
It seems that the primary objection of those against is that the competitive amateur snooker events in question are exclusively for women, and there are no events that lead to a tour card from which women are excluded. Consequently, women now have
more opportunity than men, whereas it was equal before.
Ng On Yee can't enter:
The Americas Championship
The Oceania Championship
The European Championship
The European U-21 Championship
The Asian U-21 Championship
The World U-21 Championship
And it's incredibly expensive for her to enter Q school.
Just one example on the opposite side would be Jackson Page, who can enter most of those.
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by AlfGit » 02 Apr 2021 Read
chengdufan wrote:Ng On Yee can't enter:
The Americas Championship
The Oceania Championship
The European Championship
The European U-21 Championship
The Asian U-21 Championship
The World U-21 Championship
And it's incredibly expensive for her to enter Q school.
Just one example on the opposite side would be Jackson Page, who can enter most of those.
That might be the case for any specific individual, but women in general can enter all of them.
Is Jackson Page not already professional?
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by chengdufan » 02 Apr 2021 Read
So individuals can be excluded from certain routes due to age, nationality and financial means, but not gender?
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by AlfGit » 02 Apr 2021 Read
chengdufan wrote:So individuals can be excluded from certain routes due to age, nationality and financial means, but not gender?
No, that is the opposite of what I meant. Individuals
are now being excluded because of their gender.
Let us consider the ad absurdum scenario: for quite a few years now, it has been possible for the main tour to comprise only women, and it still is, but it is no longer possible for it to comprise only men. My question is, is that fair?
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by SnookerFan » 02 Apr 2021 Read
I'd probably rather a Reannecard than a Jimmycard.
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by Running side » 02 Apr 2021 Read
why
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by Iranu » 02 Apr 2021 Read
Opportunities were not equal.
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by motorhead » 07 Apr 2021 Read
chengdufan wrote:And it's incredibly expensive for her to enter Q school.
She's entered it several times, it's obvious that it wasn't worth the cost. What do you mean incredibly expensive
for her?
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by chengdufan » 07 Apr 2021 Read
motorhead wrote:chengdufan wrote:And it's incredibly expensive for her to enter Q school.
She's entered it several times, it's obvious that it wasn't worth the cost. What do you mean incredibly expensive
for her?
She is from Hong Kong, and so has higher travel and accommodation costs than UK entrants
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by Cloud Strife » 07 Apr 2021 Read
I voted no because I am a misogynist.
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by SnookerFan » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Running side wrote:why
For the reasons Dan-Cat mentioned.
The intention is that having female players become more high profile will help raise the profile of the female game. Having White continually drop off the tour and get let back on doesn't do anything particularly useful
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by Running side » 07 Apr 2021 Read
I support more women playing snooker at professional levels if they are good enough, and competitive in matches. No real progress yet.I don't think Jimmy's situation makes it harder for women to qualify ,I'm sure Jimmy would step aside if the majority of people thought he hindered them.
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by Iranu » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Running side wrote:I support more women playing snooker at professional levels if they are good enough, and competitive in matches. No real progress yet.I don't think Jimmy's situation makes it harder for women to qualify ,I'm sure Jimmy would step aside if the majority of people thought he hindered them.
Kenna was competitive last night.
And men and women don’t have equal opportunity to improve when there are still leagues/teams that don’t allow women to play in them.
What better way is there to make progress than playing at the top level?
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by Running side » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Agree mostly, saw Rebeccas Twitter this morning thanking people for their support, admitting she found it difficult to bring her practice form to the match table. Don't no answer to encouraging clubs to encourage more women to become competitive.
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by The_Abbott » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Its the only way they can improve their game against quality opponents. So why not.
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by motorhead » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Iranu wrote:
What better way is there to make progress than playing at the top level?
That's what I ask Wimbledon organizers each year, and yet this mugs still refuse to let me play.
I guarantee you I didn't have the same opportunities Murray had.
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by motorhead » 07 Apr 2021 Read
chengdufan wrote:motorhead wrote:chengdufan wrote:And it's incredibly expensive for her to enter Q school.
She's entered it several times, it's obvious that it wasn't worth the cost. What do you mean incredibly expensive
for her?
She is from Hong Kong, and so has higher travel and accommodation costs than UK entrants
Doesn't this apply to
all players from Hong Kong?
Isn't the women's tour mostly played in UK? I thought she moved in UK for that.
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by AlfGit » 07 Apr 2021 Read
Wow! Just yesterday it was 10:2 in favour, now it is 15:12 against.
I have to admit, I thought it would be a close thing, but that is a big swing in a short time. I wonder if Reanne Evans' poor performance against Andy Hicks had something to do with it.
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