Re: Dafabet Masters - The Final: Mark Selby v Ronnie O'Sulli
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snookerfan97 wrote:I forgot Mark Allen,he is 27, make that 3 top players under 30 years of age.Still a very small number
Ayrshirebhoy wrote:snookerfan97 wrote:I forgot Mark Allen,he is 27, make that 3 top players under 30 years of age.Still a very small number
Another hot prospect who has delivered very little. I honestly think the reason a decent percentage of tournaments are won these days are just because someone's gotta win it. Very rare now you see someone dominating a tourney now like ronnie just did.
Witz78 wrote:Ayrshirebhoy wrote:snookerfan97 wrote:I forgot Mark Allen,he is 27, make that 3 top players under 30 years of age.Still a very small number
Another hot prospect who has delivered very little. I honestly think the reason a decent percentage of tournaments are won these days are just because someone's gotta win it. Very rare now you see someone dominating a tourney now like ronnie just did.
I could always flip your theory on its head and say the reason no-one dominates a tournament very often now is because of the overall strength in depth compared to the past, hence Ronnies achievments at the Masters stand out a lot more.
Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Witz78 wrote:Ayrshirebhoy wrote:snookerfan97 wrote:I forgot Mark Allen,he is 27, make that 3 top players under 30 years of age.Still a very small number
Another hot prospect who has delivered very little. I honestly think the reason a decent percentage of tournaments are won these days are just because someone's gotta win it. Very rare now you see someone dominating a tourney now like ronnie just did.
I could always flip your theory on its head and say the reason no-one dominates a tournament very often now is because of the overall strength in depth compared to the past, hence Ronnies achievments at the Masters stand out a lot more.
Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Wildey wrote:Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Ronnie and Hendry are to blame because they did it that way and lesser players 25 years and under try to copy that way of playing and coming unstuck because they arent that good at it and has nothing to fall back on.
Wildey wrote:Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Ronnie and Hendry are to blame because they did it that way and lesser players 25 years and under try to copy that way of playing and coming unstuck because they arent that good at it and has nothing to fall back on.
Witz78 wrote:Wildey wrote:Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Ronnie and Hendry are to blame because they did it that way and lesser players 25 years and under try to copy that way of playing and coming unstuck because they arent that good at it and has nothing to fall back on.
Alex Higgins and Jimmy id say
PLtheRef wrote:Wildey wrote:Sickpotter wrote:I'm thinking that we've got a generation of players who spent so much time working on being attacking players that they've neglected proper match tactics/safety. Growing up playing the same kind of players in junior leagues didn't prepare them for what a smart tactical player can do and so they're having a harder time pushing out the older players.
Snooker has strength in depth only in the potting and break building areas....tactics and safety wise there's less depth than previous eras.
Ronnie and Hendry are to blame because they did it that way and lesser players 25 years and under try to copy that way of playing and coming unstuck because they arent that good at it and has nothing to fall back on.
The fact remains is that back then, as they do now. Hendry in particular and O'Sullivan from 2001 onwards had both an equally strong attacking game as well as safety game meaning had he bided his time with several opponents, you'd expect a lot more victories from Ronnie. Hendry was patient enough to wear opponents down even whilst playing attacking snooker.
Few have both Attack and Safety in equal zenith measure. In fact, I'd say its just Hendry and O'Sullivan who have had them in equal measure.
Snooker Overdrive wrote:Andre, is he really allowed to keep the trophy?
Andre147 PGC wrote:I see, sory about the confusion then.
But then again I ask how was Ronnie allowed to have it and placed that photo on his Twitter? Why would WS send him a box containing the trophy if he isn't allowed to keep it? Or is that trophy not the original one we saw so many times and when he lifted it?
Wildey wrote:Andre147 PGC wrote:I see, sory about the confusion then.
But then again I ask how was Ronnie allowed to have it and placed that photo on his Twitter? Why would WS send him a box containing the trophy if he isn't allowed to keep it? Or is that trophy not the original one we saw so many times and when he lifted it?
Its Glass lol
For Obvious reasons its safer to carry it in a box with padding for protection.
Richproc wrote:Trumpster I would be interested in when you started to watch snooker as Hendry's era was not weak. The strength in depth is better these days but the top players were still good. If you ask O'sullivan, Higgins and Williams they all say how good Hendry was in his prime he could of given them starts and still won which I think is pushing it a bit bu he was an incredible player. The thing was by the time O'sullivan, Higgins and Williams had reached the top of the game in the late 90s Hendry had pretty much achieved everything he wanted to and was struggling for motivation especially after winning his 7th World title. He spent more time on the golf course and with his family and less time practicing which took the fine edge off his game but could still produce some great stuff on his day. In my opinion the last 2 years has been a weak era at the top of the game Selby wouldn't have been a top 8 player 10 to 15 years ago and certainly wouldn't of won the UK and Masters playing the way he did last season.
Andre147 PGC wrote:Wildey wrote:Andre147 PGC wrote:I see, sory about the confusion then.
But then again I ask how was Ronnie allowed to have it and placed that photo on his Twitter? Why would WS send him a box containing the trophy if he isn't allowed to keep it? Or is that trophy not the original one we saw so many times and when he lifted it?
Its Glass lol
For Obvious reasons its safer to carry it in a box with padding for protection.
But you didn't exactly answer my question... does he get to keep that trophy? Is that the original one since 2004? Or does all the winners of the Masters since 2004 get to keep a replica of it?
Skullman wrote:Andre147 PGC wrote:Wildey wrote:Andre147 PGC wrote:I see, sory about the confusion then.
But then again I ask how was Ronnie allowed to have it and placed that photo on his Twitter? Why would WS send him a box containing the trophy if he isn't allowed to keep it? Or is that trophy not the original one we saw so many times and when he lifted it?
Its Glass lol
For Obvious reasons its safer to carry it in a box with padding for protection.
But you didn't exactly answer my question... does he get to keep that trophy? Is that the original one since 2004? Or does all the winners of the Masters since 2004 get to keep a replica of it?
I'd assume he gets to keep it for the year and has to give it back just before the 2015 Masters starts.