Wuxi Classic Wild Card and Last 32 Discussion !!!!!!!!!!!

Skullman wrote:

Monique wrote:

JIMO96 wrote:That wasn't aggression, that was me expressing that I've heard you say the same thing "a zillion" times this week, mainly as a pedantic measure towards anyone who dares to think the Asians travel for each and every tournament. Whether they fly over multiple times a year, or once in their life is irrelevant here.

It IS relevant insofar they don't travel any more or any less than the UK players. The problem is NOT there. The problem is the situation BEFORE they qualify and I'm the first to say that it's unfair to them. The problem is also about being in a foreign country and an alien culture and therefore more vulnerable to loneliness and isolation. That also puts them at a disadvantage.
If I come across as pedantic, sorry, but I've been stating the obvious only too often and I'm rather fed up and exasperated with it.

If they're lonely, why not try and find others of the same nationality? It's not like they're the only Chinese people in Britain.

They do. But they are still far away from home, family, their native culture. They are very young most of them. It's not easy. Remember what Neil Robertson said? How hard it was? And Aussie culture is a lot closer to UK than Chinese, and language is the same.

Nobody said its easy but hearing of some UK Players complaining about having to do some traveling and missing family etc is frustrating when you consider the sacrifices the Chinese are doing.

Maybe I'm just weird then.

Anyway Mark Selby has returned to blogging and says he 90% fit now. Of course he was totally positive before the Worlds as well and look what happened there...

Wild WC wrote:Nobody said its easy but hearing of some UK Players complaining about having to do some traveling and missing family etc is frustrating when you consider the sacrifices the Chinese are doing.

No it's not. Those players are in their 30th, some in the second half of their 30th, with families and they find themselves in a different place in life than those in their first half of their twenties. The exception being Allen who is only 25. The only "Chinese" player who is older is Marco Fu and he's from Hong Kong and was educated in Canada. It's difficult in both situations albeit differently.

Trump the so called International Playboi with no ties (apart from Ryan Summers ) cant even be fussed going to Brazil or Australia, so its hardly just the old guard with families who cant be hassled making an effort.

Alex0paul wrote:Anyone doing the prediction contest? Don't mind doing it myself.

Feel free im on holiday during the week.

Monique wrote:

Wild WC wrote:Nobody said its easy but hearing of some UK Players complaining about having to do some traveling and missing family etc is frustrating when you consider the sacrifices the Chinese are doing.

No it's not. Those players are in their 30th, some in the second half of their 30th, with families and they find themselves in a different place in life than those in their first half of their twenties. The exception being Allen who is only 25. The only "Chinese" player who is older is Marco Fu and he's from Hong Kong and was educated in Canada. It's difficult in both situations albeit differently.

sorry that's no excuse Find a Part Time Window Cleaning Job or gardening at the weekend

they cant have their cake and eat it be a professional sportsman with the sacrifices that in tails or feet up with a drink in hand watching kids play.

one or the other cant have both.

Wild WC wrote:

Monique wrote:

Wild WC wrote:Nobody said its easy but hearing of some UK Players complaining about having to do some traveling and missing family etc is frustrating when you consider the sacrifices the Chinese are doing.

No it's not. Those players are in their 30th, some in the second half of their 30th, with families and they find themselves in a different place in life than those in their first half of their twenties. The exception being Allen who is only 25. The only "Chinese" player who is older is Marco Fu and he's from Hong Kong and was educated in Canada. It's difficult in both situations albeit differently.

sorry that's no excuse Find a Part Time Window Cleaning Job or gardening at the weekend

they cant have their cake and eat it be a professional sportsman with the sacrifices that in tails or feet up with a drink in hand watching kids play.

one or the other cant have both.

Honestly mate, you have a completely one dimensional view of life as a Snooker player. Any logical arguement given to you would be useless because you have already made up your mind. I mean honestly " they cant have their cake and eat it be a professional sportsman with the sacrifices that in tails or feet up with a drink in hand watching kids play."
What sort of crap is that?. You think a guy in this day and age can get away with not helping to raise young kids?. So you think all they want to do is sit there. FFS mate, get a grip. Oh and another gem "sorry that's no excuse Find a Part Time Window Cleaning Job or gardening at the weekend ". Where in bucks name would they find the time for a part time job in between tournaments and practice?. And while I'm at it the majority of the top guys are not moaning about this that I can see. They seem to be complaining about the structure of the tour in general again from what I read so stop making them out as dilitantes and prima donnas because most of them are just ordinary guy's who when their done with a tournament want to go home and see the wife and kids. Please tell me what the buck is wrong with that. The bottom line is that yes it IS expensive to be a snooker player.

i agree more with Wild than Monique and snooky on this to be honest

If players want to play Happy Families too then thats their choice but they want to quit moaning and play the events they can fit into their schedule around changing nappies and pushing prams. They cant moan about the tour calendar, its set up for full time professional sportsmen, not part timers.

Dont play = suffer the consequences and drop down the rankings

Too many players had the comfort zone of few events and mainly in the UK under Walker which meant the top guys could fornicate and produce sprogs, lower their golf handicap, play exhibitions, and the lower ranked guys could be casino croupiers or brickies in thier spare time.

Now that free time no longer exists there all shocked and dont know what to do. GET ON WITH IT I SAY

PUT UP, PLAY UP OR SHUT UP

snooky

its not one dimensional its life as a sport person unsocial hours, having Christmas day off then playing on boxing day sort of thing everyone has the choice however if you choose sport its a massive commitment to undertake if you not willing to make that then find something else to do.

its really not rocket science.

Read Selby's blog and he seems to be taking a much more relaxed approach this season and isn't putting much pressure on himself this season.

He'll be fine in Wuxi. Looking forward to it.

Wild WC wrote:snooky

its not one dimensional its life as a sport person unsocial hours, having Christmas day off then playing on boxing day sort of thing everyone has the choice however if you choose sport its a massive commitment to undertake if you not willing to make that then find something else to do.

its really not rocket science.

These are my comments only and not those of any player

I am absolutely aware of the commitment needed to be a professional sportsman. I had the privilege of being with Graeme throughout all of his Amateur career and the first part of his Pro career and I saw that he has the commitment required but that's not really the point here is it. There are some, I will admit who are on the circuit who are indeed moaning as you would say about the schedule etc etc and in that respect I agree with you about commitment. But mate, it's not moaning to ask questions. It's not moaning to ask why, when players are paying for flights out of their own pocket that they should wonder why they are told to arrive quite so early when some of them dont play for days yet. I understand the promotional work involved and that amounts to a couple of days only so why are they dictated to to arrive so early. Also, if they understand that by not ticking the box to enter a tournament for whatever their reasons are they are instantly criticised as being money grabbers or moaners. They have lost all prize money and ranking points so who the hell are we to surmise why they withdrew. Of course there are a few who will deserve your wrath but they can't all be placed in the same boat. It's also not moaning that the players, ALL THE PLAYERS be treated by the association with respect. Some of the comments by Hearn are not of the type you expect from a CEO of a company.
On a personal note, I had occasion to research flights for Graeme recently. Having got him a good deal imagine my disapointment to find that he could not book because even although the season has started we STILL dont know exactly what tournaments the cut off points apply to. This in my opinion is nothing short of a disgrace.

Thank you snooky147.
Why should the players "shut up" when they are treated unfairly? The basic line is that while they are severely constraint by their contract, they still have to take all the financial risks of being self-employed with very little of the freedom of choice - about what "work" they take, and how they manage their time or who can use their own image and how - that normally goes with that status. Considering that they forfeit a lot of the "self-employed freedom" to WSA, they are entitled to expect that WSA in turn makes sure that they don't have to suffer additional and unnecessary costs and stress because of poor organisation, late timing and lack of proper information given to the players in time.
And before someone comes with "Hearn should sack them all", I will stress that all the WSA guys I've seen at tournament were working their socks off, 16 hours/day there. Again, instead of sacking any of them, the sensible move would most probably be to hire a few more. Cock-ups, mistakes and delays are inevitable when the resources are not there to give the various tasks proper time, attention and required hands-on follow-up.
I totally agree with you about some comments by Hearn, and while nobody denies that he has given the sport a very necessary boost, he should dim his arrogance at times and listen to his players because at the end of the day, they are the ones who PLAY and they are his more valuable asset. Again some will say "Sack the moaners and take others on board". Which others? I DOES take bunch of talents, years and years of hard work to become a top player, and then many other years of professional success to build a name and image that appeals to sponsors. It would be extremely naive to think that Hearn can do without his top established players. Everyone of them individually can be missed, the game will go on, but if he were to lose more of them, the game will suffer.

hendry_fan wrote:Jeez,is this tournament even gonna take place?!,players are dropping out like flies,problems with visas,back problems,neck problems!.





Hmmmm,by the way where on earth is Ronnie?!.

is THERE a PREDICTION contest FOR this TP event

Skullman wrote:

Monique wrote:

JIMO96 wrote:That wasn't aggression, that was me expressing that I've heard you say the same thing "a zillion" times this week, mainly as a pedantic measure towards anyone who dares to think the Asians travel for each and every tournament. Whether they fly over multiple times a year, or once in their life is irrelevant here.

It IS relevant insofar they don't travel any more or any less than the UK players. The problem is NOT there. The problem is the situation BEFORE they qualify and I'm the first to say that it's unfair to them. The problem is also about being in a foreign country and an alien culture and therefore more vulnerable to loneliness and isolation. That also puts them at a disadvantage.
If I come across as pedantic, sorry, but I've been stating the obvious only too often and I'm rather fed up and exasperated with it.

If they're lonely, why not try and find others of the same nationality? It's not like they're the only Chinese people in Britain.

www.chinesesnookylookingforchinesehottie.com

a farce this shambles of an tinpot event that the players and fans cant be hassled with, is equivalent to 70% of the World Championship.

ROLL ON MONEY BASED ORDER OF MERIT

snooky147 wrote:

Wild WC wrote:snooky

its not one dimensional its life as a sport person unsocial hours, having Christmas day off then playing on boxing day sort of thing everyone has the choice however if you choose sport its a massive commitment to undertake if you not willing to make that then find something else to do.

its really not rocket science.

These are my comments only and not those of any player

I am absolutely aware of the commitment needed to be a professional sportsman. I had the privilege of being with Graeme throughout all of his Amateur career and the first part of his Pro career and I saw that he has the commitment required but that's not really the point here is it. There are some, I will admit who are on the circuit who are indeed moaning as you would say about the schedule etc etc and in that respect I agree with you about commitment. But mate, it's not moaning to ask questions. It's not moaning to ask why, when players are paying for flights out of their own pocket that they should wonder why they are told to arrive quite so early when some of them dont play for days yet. I understand the promotional work involved and that amounts to a couple of days only so why are they dictated to to arrive so early. Also, if they understand that by not ticking the box to enter a tournament for whatever their reasons are they are instantly criticised as being money grabbers or moaners. They have lost all prize money and ranking points so who the hell are we to surmise why they withdrew. Of course there are a few who will deserve your wrath but they can't all be placed in the same boat. It's also not moaning that the players, ALL THE PLAYERS be treated by the association with respect. Some of the comments by Hearn are not of the type you expect from a CEO of a company.
On a personal note, I had occasion to research flights for Graeme recently. Having got him a good deal imagine my disapointment to find that he could not book because even although the season has started we STILL dont know exactly what tournaments the cut off points apply to. This in my opinion is nothing short of a disgrace.

asking questions is acceptable BUT most if not all moan on twitter that what gets my goat or Ronnie not wanting to commit to being a full time player well fair enough but dont try and blackmail Barry Hearn to back down just sign the contract sit back take time off if that what he wants but we all know its not.

these players Ronnie more than most craved for Barry Hearn even Simon Cowell to get involved so they got more snooker to play and now with only 2 full season its complaints after complaints from some.

Anyone going to get up for those great matches tomorrow morning! ?

I'll be up but for school...

Just realised by the time I'll be back tomorrow the matches will already be over, so c'mon Selby

Skullman wrote:Just realised by the time I'll be back tomorrow the matches will already be over, so c'mon Selby

Lucky git.

MarkSelbyNo1Fan wrote:

Skullman wrote:Just realised by the time I'll be back tomorrow the matches will already be over, so c'mon Selby

Lucky git.

??? Why am I lucky?

Dave Harold loses in the wildcard round 5-1 to Rouzi Maimati.

I assume Dave still gets L32 prize money and points?

Dannyboy wrote:Dave Harold loses in the wildcard round 5-1 to Rouzi Maimati.

I assume Dave still gets L32 prize money and points?

yup still gets his full allocation of points and cash which is only right at least he qualified unlike Rouzi Maimati.

Jamie Burnett 3-2 Jin Long
Matthew Stevens scr Joe Perry w/o
Rod Lawler 3-1 Li Hang
Dave Harold 1-5 Rouzi Maimaiti

Wild WC wrote:

Dannyboy wrote:Dave Harold loses in the wildcard round 5-1 to Rouzi Maimati.

I assume Dave still gets L32 prize money and points?

yup still gets his full allocation of points and cash which is only right at least he qualified unlike Rouzi Maimati.

Does Maimati get cash too as he's only a wildcard?

Dannyboy wrote:

Wild WC wrote:

Dannyboy wrote:Dave Harold loses in the wildcard round 5-1 to Rouzi Maimati.

I assume Dave still gets L32 prize money and points?

yup still gets his full allocation of points and cash which is only right at least he qualified unlike Rouzi Maimati.

Does Maimati get cash too as he's only a wildcard?

no they get nothing aparantly

Good draw for Allen in round 1, he needs to start off the season with a win.

Jamie Burnett with miss of the season already. Simple straight black to go 4-2 up, misses, Jin pots it to make it 3-3

Rod Lawler is at it again lol