by Rocket_ron » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Sonny wrote:I have to say that after being in 2 finals and playing the way he did tonight, for the first time I am beginning to accept the possibility that Ali Carter could be a World Champion.
I see what your saying. and ronnie is rusty. but i thought ronnie was very fluent for someone who hasnt played for a year
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by PLtheRef » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Sonny wrote:I'm pretty certain Carter will get Ronnie this time. Remember Jimmy beating Hendry in 1998? Ronnie is rusty and Carter is playing his best stuff if tonight is anything to go by and Carter's determination to get one over on Ronnie will make him a very tough opponent to beat. He's not the same player who lost to him so many times over the last few years.
I agree with you Sonny. That said, I don't think it will be on the scale of the hammering that Jimmy handed out to Hendry 15 years ago.
From the sounds of it Carter was impressive in pulling away to win 10-4 considering that he pulled away to win nine of the last ten frames. In contrast, Ronnie seemed to be impressive on the paper of a 7-2 first session lead and indeed stretching it to 9-2 before winning 10-4. After fourteen frames that match should have been 7-7. Marcus should have led 4-1.
I can see it being a little like Ronnie against Allen when they met in 2009. Ronnie will edge the early sessions but Ali will come through perhaps from 9-7 down in the final session.
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by Andre147 » 24 Apr 2013 Read
PLtheRef wrote:Sonny wrote:I'm pretty certain Carter will get Ronnie this time. Remember Jimmy beating Hendry in 1998? Ronnie is rusty and Carter is playing his best stuff if tonight is anything to go by and Carter's determination to get one over on Ronnie will make him a very tough opponent to beat. He's not the same player who lost to him so many times over the last few years.
I agree with you Sonny. That said, I don't think it will be on the scale of the hammering that Jimmy handed out to Hendry 15 years ago.
From the sounds of it Carter was impressive in pulling away to win 10-4 considering that he pulled away to win nine of the last ten frames. In contrast, Ronnie seemed to be impressive on the paper of a 7-2 first session lead and indeed stretching it to 9-2 before winning 10-4. After fourteen frames that match should have been 7-7. Marcus should have led 4-1.
I can see it being a little like Ronnie against Allen when they met in 2009. Ronnie will edge the early sessions but Ali will come through perhaps from 9-7 down in the final session.
You know what.. I'm beggining to think all of you who say Ronnie will get beat this time may become a reality... Those are pretty good examples in Jimmy beating Hendry in 1998 and especially Allen beating Ronnie when Ronnie led after the 2nd session.
In recent Worlds Ronnie does tend to lead the best of 25(being it 2nd or quarters) after 2 sessions but in the last he just seems to run out of steam and making silly errors. Allen beat him like that, Selby and Higgins too in recent times, so I don't know..
Well... despite all this, I think I'll go with a positive mind and reckon Ronnie might just edge it in the end, but if Carter starts playing like Witz said and doing a bit of Ebdon's antics, then he could win it.
Would like to hear Snooker 's Overdrive opinion on this.. I think he'll also favour Ronnie, just.
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by Roland » 24 Apr 2013 Read
The Jimmy example was because the occasion beat Jimmy in the finals and he proved in round 1 it wasn't the player. I'm not saying it's the case with Carter and Ronnie because Ronnie was clearly the better player but Carter is in good nick and Ronnie is rusty so the fact it's earlier in the tournament and not a final where Ronnie has already proven his form in the tournament to reach the final, it definitely gives Carter the edge this time.
I've just heard the pressers from today which can't be released until tomorrow. Carter is good value in the way he's dodging the questions about Ronnie and Maguire is a top bloke. Ben's is also good when he talks about being put off by knowing if he misses the crowd will gasp and I really felt for him when I heard that. Anyway, all pressers will be released in the morning so you can hear for yourselves. About to listen to the Poomjaeng one.
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by Andre147 » 24 Apr 2013 Read
If Poomjaeng's one is anything like he did when Matt from PSB interviewed him after the Worlds qualifiers, then should be a funny one.
Some quotes are already on World Snooker's website, Carter's and Poom's.
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by Roland » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Well unfortunately it's not as good because the press lose interest when he can't understand the questions. It's quite funny at the end though when they ask him about losing his way and knocking over the water bottle.
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by vodkadiet » 24 Apr 2013 Read
I read a quote that said Maguire had said he hed never seen Dechawat before, yet he played him in a PTC event once.
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by Roland » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Haha yes, the context needs to be heard but I'm sure you can imagine. It was in Killarney. Say no more.
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by vinot » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Allen out, Maguire out. FFS, Now my chances in the crucible contest are totally out the window.
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by Simone » 24 Apr 2013 Read
vinot wrote:Allen out, Maguire out. FFS, Now my chances in the crucible contest are totally out the window.
No cat this time. It is just that there´s a cat via my usual ~45 minutes partly seaside walking route to the this library that sometimes comes to say hello for me. It even did that once around last christmas when it was like -20 c. Not this time. Perhaps that cat doesn´t have an Irish heritage if it smelled something from my breath
So today most of the biggest favourites to win the tournament are in action when Neil Robertson, Mark Selby and Judd Trump are all playing. 10am it´s Trump vs Dale (6-3), and Junhui vs McManus (7-2).
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by oldgreenbaize » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Hey everyone. Hope you're all enjoying the snoooker. Been brilliant so far hasn't it!
Here's just a reaction piece following Dechawat Poomjaeng's famous win over Stephen Maguire. Like always, please feel free to take a look and browse through the site.
Man of the moment Dechawat Poomjaeng said he thought he had little chance of beating Stephen Maguire prior to his epic first round win on Tuesday night.
http://theoldgreenbaize.com/2013/04/...-stunning-win/ …
All the best, Nigel
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by SnookerFan » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Witz78 wrote:Im def gonna stick a few quid on Ali as insurance just incase. Ive a slight hunch he might give Ronnie a good game and its all about how Ronnie handles it if Carter adopts Ebdonesque tactics (lets face it, thats his best hope) and the match goes close and the pressure increases.
That said, wouldnt surprise me to see Ronnie come out all guns blazing and steamroller Ali and get 6-2 up anway and pull away for an easy win
Would that surprise anybody?
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by SnookerFan » 24 Apr 2013 Read
oldgreenbaize wrote:Hey everyone. Hope you're all enjoying the snoooker. Been brilliant so far hasn't it!
Here's just a reaction piece following Dechawat Poomjaeng's famous win over Stephen Maguire. Like always, please feel free to take a look and browse through the site.
Man of the moment Dechawat Poomjaeng said he thought he had little chance of beating Stephen Maguire prior to his epic first round win on Tuesday night.
http://theoldgreenbaize.com/2013/04/...-stunning-win/ …
All the best, Nigel
Nige.
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Wednesday 24th of April
10am
Judd Trump 6-3 Dominic Dale conclusion
Ding Junhui 7-2 Alan McManus conclusion
2.30pm
Matthew Stevens 3-6 Marco Fu conclusion
Neil Robertson v Robert Milkins
7pm
Stuart Bingham v Sam Baird
Mark Selby 6-3 Matthew Selt conclusion
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by Snooker Overdrive » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Andre147 wrote:Would like to hear Snooker 's Overdrive opinion on this.. I think he'll also favour Ronnie, just.
It will be very tough match for Ronnie but I have great faith in Ronnie. The only thing that concerns me is his long potting. But Ronnie has 3 major advantages over Carter:
1. Obviously the head 2 head record, I expect Carter to miss a few should it go close, Ronnie is his ultimate bogeyman
2. Ronnie is the heavier scorer, his break building looks as good as ever
3. O'Sullivan safety game is superior to Carter's
Ronnie is in a very good state of mind, he's very focused and knows exactly how to beat Carter. I pretty much expect a repeat of last years final only closer because Ronnie's long game isn't sharp yet.
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by Snooker Overdrive » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Ronnie changed. The Ronnie that won the title last year was able to handle pressure extremely well. The 2010 / 2011 Ronnie would have lost against Robbo in the final session against Robertson.
Regarding Ronnie's defeat to Allen in 2009:
Mark Allen played extremely well throughout the entire match and it shows Ronnie class that he still managed to lead after the second session 9-7. But after that Allen found an extra gear and beat Ronnie. I think Carter has also that extra gear but I don't think he will be able to play in overdrive against Ronnie in the final session like Allen did. He has too many scars against O'Sullivan.
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by GJ » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Hendo
trump will dominate
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by GJ » 24 Apr 2013 Read
As ronnie and robbo said their quarter final last year was the virtual final and both knew that
Ronnie stepped it up at the right time
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by Snooker Overdrive » 24 Apr 2013 Read
GJ wrote:As ronnie and robbo said their quarter final last year was the virtual final and both knew that
Ronnie stepped it up at the right time
Absolutely. Otherwise Robertson would have won the title, I'm certain.
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by SnookerFan » 24 Apr 2013 Read
I agree with what Wild was saying earlier in the week, about how nauseating the BBC have been about Ronnie's return. That whole thing with Rob Walker making us count down to Ronnie's return was particularly bad.
So I'm coming at this not as a fanboy of Ronnie, the exact opposite in fact. But I would be amazed if Carter beat Ronnie. Not that Captain doesn't have the skills to beat him, he does. And if he's ever going to do it, it's now. With Ronnie being rusty. But I just think Ali has no belief that he can beat Ronnie. Last year The Crucible final had been decided the second it was announced who was playing in it. I just think Ali Carter's mental block is too big, and he'll struggle no matter how rusty Ronnie is.
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Snooker Overdrive wrote:GJ wrote:As ronnie and robbo said their quarter final last year was the virtual final and both knew that
Ronnie stepped it up at the right time
Absolutely. Otherwise Robertson would have won the title, I'm certain.
You have to remember hes not been under pressure for a year that's the key against marcus it was routine at times.....how will he cope when tested will be the real test.
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by GJ » 24 Apr 2013 Read
I think carter has the belief but ronnie just outplayed him in the final last year
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Great start for Dominic
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by Cannonball » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Carter has a mental issue. He knows Ronnie is a better player, and he doesn't think he can outplay him at straight snooker, so he resorts to kidology, ala Ebdon, to put Ronnie out of his stride. He hands Ronnie the advantage in doing so. Nothing encourages you at snooker like your opponent being defensive. You know if you can get that vital pot, you can put the player away, because he has inferior weapons. That doesn't mean that Ronnie will go for everything. But if he's patient and his safety is good, his lack of long game (so far it must be said, as he'll be working on that right now) won't be a major disadvantage. Ronnie by three frames for me.
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by GJ » 24 Apr 2013 Read
foot down hedgehog
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Judd is getting a bit more sophisticated in breakbuilding and positional play is improving.
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by SnookerFan » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Come on Dale.
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
Judd Trump 7-4 Dominic Dale
Ding Junhui 7-3 Alan McManus
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by Wildey » 24 Apr 2013 Read
that was a class break it was never in doubt
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