World under 21s Snooker

Remaining results for 17th July :

Group A
Edward Topham (WAL) 4-1 Bogdan Cozmaciuc (ROM)
Sam Bond (NZL) 0-4 Li Hang (CHN)
Andreas Ploner (AUT) 1-4 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)
Mitchell Travis (ENG) 4-0 Cheng Peng (CAN)

Group C
Kishan Hirani (WAL) 4-2 Kurt Dunham (AUS)
Nick Jennings (ENG) w/o Roy (Lingbin) Zeng (CAN)

Group F
Laurens De Staelen (BEL) 4-0 Pierre-Yves Laine (FRA)
Chan Ming Tung (HKG) 0-4 Duane Jones (WAL)
Varun Madan (IND) 4-1 Mohamed Hamdy (EGY)
Shaun Dalitz (AUS) 1-4 Greg Casey (IRE)

Group D
Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) 4-0 Lee Paul (NZL)
Jurian Heusdens (BEL) 4-0 Karam Namek (CAN)
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Michael Leslie (SCO) not completed
Jason Devaney (IRE) 4-0 Adrien Frostin (FRA)

Group E
Julius Grauls (BEL) 4-1 Kurt Brown (AUS)
Simon Lee (HKG) 1-4 Rovin Franklin Dsouza (IND)
Rhys Clark (SCO) v Shahar Ruberg (ISR) not completed
Vincent Muldoon (IRE) 4-1 Maximilian Pfleger (AUT)

Matches for final Round Robin' day, 18th July :

Group B
Callum Downing (ENG) v Alexander Gauss (AUT)
Zhang Anda (CHN) v Noppon Saengkham (THA)
Ricky Emery (AUS) v Declan Brennan (NIR)
Eric (Kexing) Wu (CAN) v Mario Amza (ROM)
André Lackner (GER) v Zhang Anda (CHN)
Ricky Emery (AUS) v Mario Amza (ROM)
Declan Brennan (NIR) v Noppon Saengkham (THA)
Eric (Kexing) Wu (CAN) v Callum Downing (ENG)

Group C
Nick Jennings (ENG) v Kurt Dunham (AUS)
Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT) v Kristof Vermeiren (BEL)
Roy (Lingbin) Zeng (CAN) v Wong Yun Shing (HKG)
Scott Donaldson (SCO) v Kishan Hirani (WAL)
Kurt Dunham (AUS) v Wong Yun Shing (HKG)
Scott Donaldson (SCO) v Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)
Nick Jennings (ENG) v Kishan Hirani (WAL)
Andrei Orzan (ROM) v Roy (Lingbin) Zeng (CAN)

Group D
Michael Leslie (SCO) v Adrien Frostin (FRA)
Karam Namek (CAN) v Lee Paul (NZL)
Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) v Jurian Heusdens (BEL)
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Jason Devaney (IRE)

Group E
Shahar Ruberg (ISR) v Maximilian Pfleger (AUT)
Rhys Clark (SCO) v Vincent Muldoon (IRE)
Simon Lee (HKG) v Julius Grauls (BEL)
Kurt Brown (AUS) v Rovin Franklin Dsouza (IND)

Group A
David Cassidy (IRE) v Sam Bond (NZL)
Edward Topham (WAL) v Andreas Ploner (AUT)
Cheng Peng (CAN) v Li Hang (CHN)
Mitchell Travis (ENG) v Bogdan Cozmaciuc (ROM)

Group F
Duane Jones (WAL) v Mohamed Hamdy (EGY)
Varun Madan (IND) v Chan Ming Tung (HKG)
Laurens De Staelen (BEL) v Shaun Dalitz (AUS)
Pierre-Yves Laine (FRA) v Greg Casey (IRE)

hows the group tables looking, all the big guns through as expected

Witz78 wrote:hows the group tables looking, all the big guns through as expected

Still not sure whether they're going to last 32 or last 16 next - the original tournament schedule I saw gave them both options, and I haven't seen any update to this!

As to 'big guns' - depends who you consider a 'big gun' ... five players still unbeaten - Li Hang in Group A, Noppon Saengkham in Group B, Nick Jennings in Group C, Vincent Muldoon in Group E and Michael Leslie in Group D. Honourable mention to Akani Songsermsawad in Group D, aside from his loss to Leslie he's only lost 2 frames. Greg Casey was almost brilliant in Group F, but somehow lost 0-4 to Laurens De Staelen (who has lost to 3 of the other players). In his five other games Casey only lost 6 frames.

It may be my lack of knowledge of the players, but players who I know of and know to have a good track record seem to be heavily loaded in groups A and C, and Groups E and F looks particularly weak to me, Muldoon in Group E and Casey and possibly Duane Jones (with a 5-1 record) in Group F excepted.

Li Hang is unbeaten in Group A in what looked a really tough group to me, having only lost 7 frames in 7 matches too, so maybe I'm over-rating the other players. Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon is 6-2, David Cassidy 5-2, then both Mitchell Travis and Andreas Ploner on 4-3. Ploner has won 22 frames in 7 matches, even 6th place Edward Topham has won 16 frames.

In Group C, aside from Jennings being unbeaten, all of Ali Al-Obaidli (6-1), Scott Donaldson (6-1), Kishan Hirani (4-3) and Kurt Dunham (3-4) have been pretty competitive - even Dunham has won 20 frames in his 7 matches.

The revelation for me in Group B has been Declan Brennan, now in second place with just one loss. Zhang Anda is 3rd with 2 losses. Both have only conceded 10 frames in 7 matches.

17th July matches completed 18th July :

Group D
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) 2-4 Michael Leslie (SCO)

Group E
Rhys Clark (SCO) 3-4 Shahar Ruberg (ISR)

Early results for 18th July:

Group B
Callum Downing (ENG) 3-4 Alexander Gauss (AUT)
Zhang Anda (CHN) 2-4 Noppon Saengkham (THA)
Ricky Emery (AUS) 2-4 Declan Brennan (NIR)
Eric (Kexing) Wu (CAN) 1-4 Mario Amza (ROM)

Group C
Nick Jennings (ENG) 4-0 Kurt Dunham (AUS)
Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT) 4-1 Kristof Vermeiren (BEL)
Roy (Lingbin) Zeng (CAN) 0-4 Wong Yun Shing (HKG)
Scott Donaldson (SCO) 4-2 Kishan Hirani (WAL)

Group D
Michael Leslie (SCO) 4-0 Adrien Frostin (FRA)
Karam Namek (CAN) 0-4 Lee Paul (NZL)
Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) 4-3 Jurian Heusdens (BEL)

Group E
Shahar Ruberg (ISR) 4-0 Maximilian Pfleger (AUT)
Rhys Clark (SCO) 1-4 Vincent Muldoon (IRE)
Simon Lee (HKG) 3-4 Julius Grauls (BEL)
Kurt Brown (AUS) 4-1 Rovin Franklin Dsouza (IND)

Group E now complete - Muldoon 7-0 (frames 28-7); Ruberg 5-2 (23-15); Brown 4-3 (21-16); Grauls 4-3 (23-20); Clark 3-4 (19-18); Dsouza 3-4 (17-22); Pfleger 1-6 (10-26); Lee 1-6 (10-27).

I knew Canadian snooker had slipped, but the performance of their young players has been a revelation of the worst kind for me ...



Karam Namek, Eric Wu and Cheng Peng have each won only one frame, whilst Roy Zeng hasn't even done that well. I'm hoping they won't simply be put off and head off to play pool ... and the results won't exactly encourage tournament organisers, let alone the general public, who if they weren't already indifferent to this being played in Canada, may well be by now ... just nothing for the local press to write about.

How did they go from Thorburn, Stevens etc. to this?

roy142857 wrote:
Still not sure whether they're going to last 32 or last 16 next - the original tournament schedule I saw gave them both options, and I haven't seen any update to this!

Confirmed now that there will be a last 32 round.

Group D
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) 4-3 Jason Devaney (IRE)

Group D is now complete: - Michael Leslie 7-0 (frames 28-8); Akani Songsermsawad 6-1 (26-9); Khalid Ali Al Kamali 5-2 (22-16); Jason Devaney 4-3 (24-16); Jurian Heusdens 2-5 (15-22); Lee Paul 2-5 (14-21); Adrien Frostin 2-5 (12-22); Karam Namek 0-7 (1-28)

Group A
David Cassidy (IRE) 4-0 Sam Bond (NZL)
Edward Topham (WAL) 4-1 Andreas Ploner (AUT)
Cheng Peng (CAN) 0-4 Li Hang (CHN)
Mitchell Travis (ENG) 4-0 Bogdan Cozmaciuc (ROM)

Group A now complete: - Li 8-0 (frames 32-7); Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon 6-2 (26-13); Cassidy 6-2 (25-13); Travis 5-3 (27-15); Ploner 4-4 (23-19); Topham 4-4 (20-20); Cozmaciuc 2-6 (11-24); Bond 1-7 (7-29); Cheng 0-8 (1-32)

Group F
Duane Jones (WAL) 4-0 Mohamed Hamdy (EGY)
Varun Madan (IND) 4-1 Chan Ming Tung (HKG)
Laurens De Staelen (BEL) 2-4 Shaun Dalitz (AUS)
Pierre-Yves Laine (FRA) 1-4 Greg Casey (IRE)

Group F now complete: - Jones 6-1 (frames 25-6); Casey 6-1 (24-11); Madan 5-2 (23-14); Dalitz 4-3 (20-15); De Staelen 3-4 (19-19); Hamdy 3-4 (15-21); Chan 1-6 (10-26); Laine 0-7 (4-28)

Group B
André Lackner (GER) 0-4 Zhang Anda (CHN)
Ricky Emery (AUS) 4-0 Mario Amza (ROM)
Declan Brennan (NIR) 1-4 Noppon Saengkham (THA)
Eric (Kexing) Wu (CAN) 0-4 Callum Downing (ENG)

Group B now complete: - Saengkham 8-0 (frames 32-8); Zhang 6-2 (29-10); Brennan 6-2 (25-14); Downing 5-3 (26-15); Emery 4-4 (20-18); Alexander Gauss 3-5 (18-23); Lackner 3-5 (14-23); Amza 1-7 (7-29); Wu 0-8 (1-32)

Group C
Scott Donaldson (SCO) 4-1 Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)
Nick Jennings (ENG) 4-0 Kishan Hirani (WAL)
2 results to come

are they making up the format as they go along haha

roy142857 wrote:
Group C
Scott Donaldson (SCO) 4-1 Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)
Nick Jennings (ENG) 4-0 Kishan Hirani (WAL)
2 results to come

last Group C results:

Kurt Dunham (AUS) 3-4 Wong Yun Shing (HKG)
Andrei Orzan (ROM) 4-2 Roy (Lingbin) Zeng (CAN)
(The best performance of the tournament by a Canadian goes to Roy Zeng!)

Group C final positions : - Jennings 8-0 (frames 28-6, one walkover); Donaldson 7-1 (31-14); Al-Obaidli 6-2 (27-12); Hirani 4-4 (20-18); Wong 4-4 (19-21); Dunham 3-5 (23-22); Kristof Vermeiren 3-5 (17-21); Orzan 1-7 (5-30); Zeng 0-8 (2-28, walked over once)

Witz78 wrote:are they making up the format as they go along haha

Seems you're right!

They're going with the simplest solution in a way, but I'm not sure the best - top 5 in each group through, with the two players with the best records going straight through to the last 16 (Li Hang and Nick Jennings).

So who scraped in and who just missed out?

In Group A Andreas Ploner gets through with 4-4 as better frame difference (plus 4) than Edward Topham's zero frame difference.

In Group B Ricky Emery on 4-4 was a win (and several frames) better than Alexander Gauss and André Lackner.

In Group C Wong Yun Shing's last match 4-3 victory over Kurt Dunham was enough to send him through rather than Dunham, he finished with a 4-4 record and Dunham a 3-5 record (at one stage Dunham's record had been 3-1).

Group D is where I have a problem with the method of selecting who goes through - Jurian Heusdens with a 2-5 record, the same frame difference as Lee Paul (minus 7). Not sure whether the decider was that Heusdens won one more frame, or that he beat Paul. (Just not sure anyone should be getting through with a 2-5 record, would prefer to see Topham going through from Group A).

Group E sees Rhys Clark go through with a 3-4 record, but a (just) positive frame difference, whereas Rovin Franklin Dsouza has a negative frame difference.

In Group F Laurens De Staelen's 3-4 record and zero frame difference was enough to see him through ahead of Mohamed Hamdy's minus six frame difference.

Matches to be played 19th July:

19 Jul 2011

Last 32
(In each pair of games listed, the higher seeds are the first player in the first match, and the second player in the second match - and the winner of the first match of a pair players the winner of the second match of a pair in the last 16)

Nick Jennings - BYE
Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) v David Cassidy (IRE)

Zhang Anda (CHN) v Julius Grauls (BEL)
Andreas Ploner (AUT) v Greg Casey (IRE)

Michael Leslie (SCO) v Laurens De Staelen (BEL)
Kishan Hirani (WAL) v Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)

Declan Brennan (NIR) v Shaun Dalitz (AUS)
Jurian Heusdens (BEL) v Vincent Muldoon (IRE)

Noppon Saengkham (THA) v Wong Yun Shing (HKG)
Mitchell Travis (ENG) v Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)

Shahar Ruberg (ISR) v Jason Devaney (IRE)
Rhys Clark (SCO) v Duane Jones (WAL)

Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Ricky Emery (AUS)
Callum Downing (ENG) v Scott Donaldson (SCO)

Varun Madan (IND) v Kurt Brown (AUS)
Li Hang - BYE

Last 16
Nick Jennings (ENG) v Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) OR David Cassidy (IRE)
Varun Madan (IND) OR Kurt Brown (AUS) v Li Hang (CHN)

Highest break is Duane Jones' 137.

Zhang, Muldoon and Tirapongpaiboon each have five century breaks.

Breaks of 60 + from the round robin stage:

Duane Jones 137, 115, 108, 97, 91, 77, 74, 69, 68, 66, 61
Zhang Anda 132, 130, 127, 118, 117, 97, 94, 78, 71, 60, 60
Scott Donaldson 129, 111, 91, 89, 69
Rhys Clark 129, 93, 87, 84, 79, 74, 71, 71
Akani Songsermsawad 127, 90, 83, 81, 73, 67, 64, 60
Li Hang 126, 114, 113, 95, 94, 92, 91, 89, 88, 88, 84, 77, 77, 76
Vincent Muldoon 123, 122, 104, 102, 101, 80, 77, 76, 71, 71, 68, 66, 64, 63, 61
Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon 123, 107, 102, 102, 102, 79, 74, 74, 70, 70, 68, 64, 60, 60
Nick Jennings 121, 94, 92, 90, 86, 80, 75, 74, 74, 71, 65, 63, 60
Michael Leslie 119, 114, 67, 61
Mitchell Travis 116, 111, 87, 78, 61
Noppon Saengkham 113, 102, 95, 88, 86, 85, 85, 77, 75, 69, 65, 64, 61, 60
Kishan Hirani 102, 85, 79, 76, 62
Julius Grauls 98, 92
Varun Madan 96, 85, 69
Ricky Emery 95, 82, 78, 73, 69
Jason Devaney 90, 82
Kurt Brown 88, 67, 60
Shaun Dalitz 88
Kurt Dunham 87, 80, 77, 60
Callum Downing 83
André Lackner 81
Kristof Vermeiren 80, 76, 75, 75
Ali Al-Obaidli 80, 74, 65
Wong Yun Shing 78, 75, 66, 60
Jurian Heusdens 77, 63
Declan Brennan 75, 74, 67, 63, 63
Greg Casey 74, 70, 67
Shahar Ruberg 73, 69, 69, 67
Alexander Gauss 73, 68
Andreas Ploner 71, 67, 64
David Cassidy 71
Adrien Frostin 69
Khalid Ali Al Kamali 67, 63, 62
Laurens De Staelen 66
Maximilian Pfleger 65
Rovin Franklin Dsouza 65
Simon Lee 62
Edward Topham 60

roy142857 wrote:I knew Canadian snooker had slipped, but the performance of their young players has been a revelation of the worst kind for me ...



Karam Namek, Eric Wu and Cheng Peng have each won only one frame, whilst Roy Zeng hasn't even done that well. I'm hoping they won't simply be put off and head off to play pool ... and the results won't exactly encourage tournament organisers, let alone the general public, who if they weren't already indifferent to this being played in Canada, may well be by now ... just nothing for the local press to write about.

How did they go from Thorburn, Stevens etc. to this?

bad aint it

Results so far for last 32, a good day so far for Ireland and Thailand :

Khalid Ali Al Kamali (UAE) 2-5 David Cassidy (IRE)

Zhang Anda (CHN) 5-0 Julius Grauls (BEL)
Andreas Ploner (AUT) 3-5 Greg Casey (IRE)

Michael Leslie (SCO) 5-0 Laurens De Staelen (BEL)
Kishan Hirani (WAL) 3-5 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)

Declan Brennan (NIR) 5-3 Shaun Dalitz (AUS)
Jurian Heusdens (BEL) 1-5 Vincent Muldoon (IRE)

Noppon Saengkham (THA) 5-0 Wong Yun Shing (HKG)

Remaining last 32 matches:

Mitchell Travis (ENG) 4-5 Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)

Shahar Ruberg (ISR) 5-3 Jason Devaney (IRE)
Rhys Clark (SCO) 3-5 Duane Jones (WAL)

Akani Songsermsawad (THA) 5-1 Ricky Emery (AUS)
Callum Downing (ENG) 5-2 Scott Donaldson (SCO)

Varun Madan (IND) 2-5 Kurt Brown (AUS)

So last 16 matches, to be played this evening:

Nick Jennings (ENG) v David Cassidy (IRE)
Zhang Anda (CHN) v Greg Casey (IRE)

Michael Leslie (SCO) v Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)
Declan Brennan (NIR) v Vincent Muldoon (IRE)

Noppon Saengkham (THA) v Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)
Shahar Ruberg (ISR) v Duane Jones (WAL)

Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Callum Downing (ENG)
Kurt Brown (AUS) v Li Hang (CHN)

last 16 results, the luck of the (non-Northern) Irish runs out (two 5-4 defeats ...), Thailand and China riding high!

Nick Jennings (ENG) 5-4 David Cassidy (IRE)
Zhang Anda (CHN) 5-2 Greg Casey (IRE)

Michael Leslie (SCO) 2-5 Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)
Declan Brennan (NIR) 5-4 Vincent Muldoon (IRE)

Noppon Saengkham (THA) 5-1 Ali Al-Obaidli (QAT)
Shahar Ruberg (ISR) 1-5 Duane Jones (WAL)

Akani Songsermsawad (THA) 5-2 Callum Downing (ENG)
Kurt Brown (AUS) 3-5 Li Hang (CHN)

No matches being played today as a rest day (presumably IBSF Council meeting today), the quarter finals will be played tomorrow, 21st July.

Nick Jennings (ENG) v Zhang Anda (CHN)
Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA) v Declan Brennan (NIR)
Noppon Saengkham (THA) v Duane Jones (WAL)
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Li Hang (CHN)

(Rather think the young men that are - somewhere down the line - going to lead to a resurgence of interest in snooker in Thailand are in this - better get used to those names!).

roy142857 wrote:I knew Canadian snooker had slipped, but the performance of their young players has been a revelation of the worst kind for me ...



Karam Namek, Eric Wu and Cheng Peng have each won only one frame, whilst Roy Zeng hasn't even done that well. I'm hoping they won't simply be put off and head off to play pool ... and the results won't exactly encourage tournament organisers, let alone the general public, who if they weren't already indifferent to this being played in Canada, may well be by now ... just nothing for the local press to write about.

How did they go from Thorburn, Stevens etc. to this?

The thing is is that for a huge period, the game in Canada was dominated by Cliff and Bill, then when Kirk came along and to a lesser extent Jim - though his achievements were still excellent, it became a selection which dominated the home events that would lead to a down turn in interest - and almost a reliance upon those, plus Alain when he came in to fly the flag for Canada. The reliance on these performing immediately would ask the question where was the support for the newer players coming through???

Zhang Anda (CHN)


theres a blast from the past

GJ wrote:Zhang Anda (CHN)


theres a blast from the past

what about the Aussie bumboy Kurt Brown who got beat in the last 16 of this event?

GJ wrote:Zhang Anda (CHN)


theres a blast from the past

Witz78 wrote:

GJ wrote:Zhang Anda (CHN)


theres a blast from the past

what about the Aussie bumboy Kurt Brown who got beat in the last 16 of this event?

Brown won the Aussie under 18's championship just before heading to Canada for this event (beat Ryan Thomerson 5-3)

Quarter Finals

Nick Jennings (ENG) 6-5 Zhang Anda (CHN)
Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA) 6-3 Declan Brennan (NIR)
Noppon Saengkham (THA) v Duane Jones (WAL)
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) v Li Hang (CHN)

So Zhang wont find his place back on tour this Route.

Thanks wild

Good news is that Songsermsawad v Li is being shown on live streaming

http://www.ibsf.info/video-montreal11.shtml




Bad news 1 is that quality's not too good - at least on my computer

And bad news 2, only just back in from a meeting, and I've no idea what the current score is ...

roy142857 wrote:Thanks wild

Good news is that Songsermsawad v Li is being shown on live streaming

http://www.ibsf.info/video-montreal11.shtml




Bad news 1 is that quality's not too good - at least on my computer

And bad news 2, only just back in from a meeting, and I've no idea what the current score is ...

no poor streaming full stop.

Wild wrote:

roy142857 wrote:Thanks wild

Good news is that Songsermsawad v Li is being shown on live streaming

http://www.ibsf.info/video-montreal11.shtml




Bad news 1 is that quality's not too good - at least on my computer

And bad news 2, only just back in from a meeting, and I've no idea what the current score is ...

no poor streaming full stop.

They could take some lessons from EBSA ...

Been interesting following this a few names certainly expected to reach the top - Shachar Ruberg played John McBride in Killarney during the six reds.

Last two quarter finals :


Noppon Saengkham (THA) 6-3 Duane Jones (WAL)
Akani Songsermsawad (THA) 2-6 Li Hang (CHN)

(Jones is 18, according to his profile on Welsh Snooker, so plenty more opportunities for him - did well in this, as did Akani Sunny Songsermsawad, who is 16 I think. Mind you, I think Tirapongpaiboon can only be about 17.)

So semi-finals will be:

Nick Jennings (ENG) v Thanawat Tirapongpaiboon (THA)
Noppon Saengkham (THA) v Li Hang (CHN)

Both matches 7pm our time.

Jennings is the only one not to have been on the Main Tour...

Wild wrote:Jennings is the only one not to have been on the Main Tour...

lets hope it stays that way

TT