Re: Hearn responds to Ronnie's "blackmail" comments
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Lucky wrote:The players have the same options as other employees, strike etc. even a vote of no confidence. In the end if no stars turn up in china etc, his goose is cooked
Smart wrote:Lucky wrote:Hearn will face a backlash....watching that documentary about him, he comes across as a power mad dictator, most of us work, and have bosses, but you expect respect, not an arshole on TV shouting its my way or they can F off! He's doing ok with the sport, but he's gotta listen to the players too, they are the sport and not some easily replaceable commodity!
yes he comes across super arrogant, not sure how much of that is for show and how much is 100% him. Maloney was saying that he was good for his word but not that he totally trusted him - that was my take of it
Witz78 wrote:Smart wrote:Lucky wrote:Hearn will face a backlash....watching that documentary about him, he comes across as a power mad dictator, most of us work, and have bosses, but you expect respect, not an arshole on TV shouting its my way or they can F off! He's doing ok with the sport, but he's gotta listen to the players too, they are the sport and not some easily replaceable commodity!
yes he comes across super arrogant, not sure how much of that is for show and how much is 100% him. Maloney was saying that he was good for his word but not that he totally trusted him - that was my take of it
Maloneys just a jealous little pipsqueak whos peed off that Hearn and Frank Warren are success stories and have far greater stables of clients and companies than he does
snooky147 wrote:Lucky wrote:The players have the same options as other employees, strike etc. even a vote of no confidence. In the end if no stars turn up in china etc, his goose is cooked
The players will go as long as the prize money is not so top heavy that it ends up with them hardly breaking even on flights and hotels if they get beaten.
Lucky wrote:Hearn will face a backlash....watching that documentary about him, he comes across as a power mad dictator, most of us work, and have bosses, but you expect respect, not an arshole on TV shouting its my way or they can F off! He's doing ok with the sport, but he's gotta listen to the players too, they are the sport and not some easily replaceable commodity!
Sonny wrote:Hearn said in the documentary he hates committees and by god is he right about that one! Committees are evil! Nothing ever gets done and everyone who sits on one is an blue frog with self interest at the core.
Lucky wrote:snooky147 wrote:Lucky wrote:The players have the same options as other employees, strike etc. even a vote of no confidence. In the end if no stars turn up in china etc, his goose is cooked
The players will go as long as the prize money is not so top heavy that it ends up with them hardly breaking even on flights and hotels if they get beaten.
Agreed, if done properly the expanded tour can work......but you can't just pluck BS tournaments in Australia, china x5 and brazil!!!! And expect players to lap it up when they may end up out of pocket. It appears to me Hearn has a grand vision and is expecting the players to bankroll it with their talent
Alpha wrote:Lucky wrote:snooky147 wrote:Lucky wrote:The players have the same options as other employees, strike etc. even a vote of no confidence. In the end if no stars turn up in china etc, his goose is cooked
The players will go as long as the prize money is not so top heavy that it ends up with them hardly breaking even on flights and hotels if they get beaten.
Agreed, if done properly the expanded tour can work......but you can't just pluck BS tournaments in Australia, china x5 and brazil!!!! And expect players to lap it up when they may end up out of pocket. It appears to me Hearn has a grand vision and is expecting the players to bankroll it with their talent
It's not fair for the UK players to travel to China 5 times a year but it's fair to force the Chinese players to spend 2/3 of the year in a totally foreign country away from friends and family
vodkadiet wrote:O'Sullivan is believing his own myth. He could retire tomorrow and whilst he wouldn't be forgotten overnight, he would soon be forgotten. Alex Higgins was a far bigger draw than O'Sullivan and everyone soon forgot when he went.
O'Sullivan is just an inflated ego.
boris_the_butcher wrote:Alpha wrote:Lucky wrote:snooky147 wrote:Lucky wrote:The players have the same options as other employees, strike etc. even a vote of no confidence. In the end if no stars turn up in china etc, his goose is cooked
The players will go as long as the prize money is not so top heavy that it ends up with them hardly breaking even on flights and hotels if they get beaten.
Agreed, if done properly the expanded tour can work......but you can't just pluck BS tournaments in Australia, china x5 and brazil!!!! And expect players to lap it up when they may end up out of pocket. It appears to me Hearn has a grand vision and is expecting the players to bankroll it with their talent
It's not fair for the UK players to travel to China 5 times a year but it's fair to force the Chinese players to spend 2/3 of the year in a totally foreign country away from friends and family
pro snooker has always been a UK based sport, young chinese players planning on playing professional know this and accept it.
boris_the_butcher wrote:pro snooker has always been a UK based sport, young chinese players planning on playing professional know this and accept it.
Witz78 wrote:vodkadiet wrote:O'Sullivan is believing his own myth. He could retire tomorrow and whilst he wouldn't be forgotten overnight, he would soon be forgotten. Alex Higgins was a far bigger draw than O'Sullivan and everyone soon forgot when he went.
O'Sullivan is just an inflated ego.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
put a sock in it
change the record for once
vodkadiet wrote:Witz78 wrote:vodkadiet wrote:O'Sullivan is believing his own myth. He could retire tomorrow and whilst he wouldn't be forgotten overnight, he would soon be forgotten. Alex Higgins was a far bigger draw than O'Sullivan and everyone soon forgot when he went.
O'Sullivan is just an inflated ego.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
put a sock in it
change the record for once
What I said was absolutely true. Alex was a bigger draw than O'Sullivan and the sport survived very nicely when he retired.
Sonny wrote:What about Ding? He's huge!
Sonny wrote:What about Ding? He's huge!
Sonny wrote:What about Ding? He's huge!
vodkadiet wrote:Sonny wrote:What about Ding? He's huge!
Stephen Lee is huge!
Regarding O'Sullivan, many great tournaments have there been without him even in it? How many have there been with him going out early?
The answer is plenty. He makes no difference to an event, unless you're a blinkered fanboy.
Let's face it, he has just won the Worlds, and it was one of the worst championships ever. Contrast that to the worlds in 2003, when O'Sullivan lost in the opening round, and it was one of the best championships ever.
Proof, that snooker doesn't need this illiterate to survive.
Witz78 wrote:vodkadiet wrote:Sonny wrote:What about Ding? He's huge!
Stephen Lee is huge!
Regarding O'Sullivan, many great tournaments have there been without him even in it? How many have there been with him going out early?
The answer is plenty. He makes no difference to an event, unless you're a blinkered fanboy.
Let's face it, he has just won the Worlds, and it was one of the worst championships ever. Contrast that to the worlds in 2003, when O'Sullivan lost in the opening round, and it was one of the best championships ever.
Proof, that snooker doesn't need this illiterate to survive.
"Regarding O'Sullivan" .................
haha not like you
Sickpotter wrote:boris_the_butcher wrote:Alpha wrote:Lucky wrote:snooky147 wrote:
The players will go as long as the prize money is not so top heavy that it ends up with them hardly breaking even on flights and hotels if they get beaten.
Agreed, if done properly the expanded tour can work......but you can't just pluck BS tournaments in Australia, china x5 and brazil!!!! And expect players to lap it up when they may end up out of pocket. It appears to me Hearn has a grand vision and is expecting the players to bankroll it with their talent
It's not fair for the UK players to travel to China 5 times a year but it's fair to force the Chinese players to spend 2/3 of the year in a totally foreign country away from friends and family
pro snooker has always been a UK based sport, young chinese players planning on playing professional know this and accept it.
Key point of this whole new tour set up is that pro snooker is no longer just UK based.
If the players don't want to participate in a world tour then they can choose not to attend the overseas events and live with the damage to their rankings.
Funny how the players just expect the money to be there right at the get go for all the new events. The reality is that the money will gradually go up but there's going to be a period where the money on offer will not be great, that's just the nature of developing an event. Each year more people attend, each year more interest from sponsors until eventually you've got enough interest that you can offer a really attractive prize pool.
I keep hearing people whine about player's not making enough to cover expenses should they go out first round.
I find that absolutely
I've never been involved in an event that would guarantee expenses would be covered if you lose first round. Who the hell gets paid in professional sports when they don't win?
My general experience is that a player will go through 3-4 rounds of play before they can recoup their entry fee.
On top of that, why the hell do these players have expenses at all? IMO, if the player doesn't have sponsors or a manager/stable to foot the bill for their trips they haven't prepared properly to be a professional sportsman. If they consistently go out first round they aren't good enough to be professionals, plain and simple.
In the end players should be happy there are lots of events and the low ranked players should be thrilled when the top names elect to bypass an overseas event as it betters their chances of a good payday.
Witz78 wrote:200k to winner of 2012 PDC darts actually
and yes its taken a while to get to there but the darts prize has dramatically increased year by year almost catching up with snooker which has stagnated for years.
15-20 years ago the snooker world champion got as much as the Wimbledon winner and the Open golf winner and got about 6 times as much as the darts winner.
Snooker prize has stagnated since
so Darts has almost caught up
and Tennis and Golf are now 5 or 6 times as much for the winner.
Just shows where the sport could have been by now if Hearn had been in charge instead of the muppet players for all them years.
Wild WC wrote:Witz78 wrote:200k to winner of 2012 PDC darts actually
and yes its taken a while to get to there but the darts prize has dramatically increased year by year almost catching up with snooker which has stagnated for years.
15-20 years ago the snooker world champion got as much as the Wimbledon winner and the Open golf winner and got about 6 times as much as the darts winner.
Snooker prize has stagnated since
so Darts has almost caught up
and Tennis and Golf are now 5 or 6 times as much for the winner.
Just shows where the sport could have been by now if Hearn had been in charge instead of the muppet players for all them years.
thats my point
Next Season there will be 4 Tournaments with £100,000+ prize Money first time for quite a while its Getting done but it seemes to me players want big money for doing nothing and expect Hearn to foot the Bill from the off.
it takes time with hard graft from players to get to there wont just happen.