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Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby SnookerFan

Acé wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Joe Perry says, I quote:

"Judd has taken it to the next level"
"He's got one thing that them 2 had never had and that's unbelievable cue power"
"He's got such a vast array of shots that they could never play"

https://twitter.com/WeAreWST/status/1238894982079172610



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Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby rekoons

Acé wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Acé wrote:If I know Ronnie as I do I still think Ronnie will lay a smashing against Judd in a final sometime in the future despite Judd winning the last 3 finals, and the discussion will change once again and I'll have to eat my crow

Pathetic!


I'm listening to old school Eminem, he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo good at that time!


I’m not really fan of rap or hiphop, but did enjoy his music back then from the slim shady lp, marshal mathers lp & Eminem show.

Best to leave all his later work as it is utter crap.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby SnookerFan

Acé wrote:He's getting roasted on Twitter lol or well that Tweet is

damn, when you compare Ronnie's fanbase vs Judd's fanbase, it's like night and day, no one coming to Judd's defense.


You've had this explained to you a hundred times before.

Nobody is denying that Judd is the best player in the world right now. Nobody is denying Judd is a special player. Nobody is bitter.

Point is, to be compared to Ronnie or Hendry he has to have that level of trophy success. I used the same criteria for Ronnie. I had Hendry as greater than Ronnie for a long, but now I think that Ronnie has surpassed Hendry. And that's from somebody who thinks that Ronnie is one of the biggest cretins in world sport. Judd has the potential to match their achievements, but until he does all it is is potential. Ig and when he does match those achievements, we'll praise him.

It's all well and good you taking the moral high ground on fans of other players, but it was you that got banned for having a meltdown, posting porn and calling everybody pathetic.

I'm one of the rare ones who doesn't mind that you're back, but don't blow it for yourself again.

People do rate Judd, many on this forum like Judd. Most people are just waiting for him to match Ronnie or Hendry's achievements before they compare them. We're not saying it won't happen.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Juddernaut88

Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Holden Chinaski

Juddernaut88 wrote:
Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Yes, but there are more rankers now.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Cloud Strife

Holden Chinaski wrote:
Juddernaut88 wrote:
Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Yes, but there are more rankers now.


And less top level competitors.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Juddernaut88

Holden Chinaski wrote:
Juddernaut88 wrote:
Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Yes, but there are more rankers now.


Ronnie won 5 in 2017/2018 and 3 in 2018/2019. He played in at least 75% of events in both seasons so the more ranking tournaments has benefited him too!

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Juddernaut88

Cloud Strife wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Juddernaut88 wrote:
Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Yes, but there are more rankers now.


And less top level competitors.


Could argue the same with Ronnie. 4 of his 5 world finals he faced relatively easy opponent's. Graeme Dott in 2004 an unexpected finalist. Two finals against Carter. Carter had never beaten him and was awful against him! Then 2013 Barry Hawkins okay player but was never going to cause Ronnie any problems! No surprisethat when Ronnie finally played a stronger player in a world final he lost which was Selby in 2014.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Holden Chinaski

Juddernaut88 wrote:
Could argue the same with Ronnie..

Ronnie turned pro in the same year as Higgins and MJW. Nobody has played in a tougher era than those 3. Selby is another tough rival Ronnie had. So you could definitely not argue the same with Ronnie. There are more matches in a tournament than just the final.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby masterdoctorgenius

Juddernaut88 wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
Juddernaut88 wrote:
Sauce321 wrote:1 WC title in 15 years. Much better than Ronnie/Hendry indeed.


Ronnie had 2 world titles in his first 15 years as a professional player. He had 18 ranking titles. Judd has 16 so far. In terms of overall triple crown titles Judd is a long way behind. However in terms of ranking titles he's right up there!

Yes, but there are more rankers now.


And less top level competitors.


Could argue the same with Ronnie. 4 of his 5 world finals he faced relatively easy opponent's. Graeme Dott in 2004 an unexpected finalist. Two finals against Carter. Carter had never beaten him and was awful against him! Then 2013 Barry Hawkins okay player but was never going to cause Ronnie any problems! No surprisethat when Ronnie finally played a stronger player in a world final he lost which was Selby in 2014.


yeah no surprise that he lost to Higgins in 2001 oh wait...

And what about the path to the finals. I remember he beat Trump in 2013

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby TheSaviour

At least he tends to make also the last shots means centuries, something which Lisowski or Ford are not bothering to do. The ball still isn´t quite moving, you know. The good about Judd also is that he bothers to build with little colours also and not thinking just how to take the black, pink or blue back into play while eyeing century.

They all should try to be brave and innovative with the safety-ideas/shots. Something Judd (or Kyren) isn´t and aren´t at all. Something which Stuart Bingham is, no matter if you like him or not.

This late Gibraltar final CERTAINLY had the two best current, Kyren Wilson and Judd Trump. It was really close of being a 50-50 match, perhaps 40-60 favouring Judd, and nothing else really. A really, really great to watch standards like that, nevertheless. While there obviously is obvious weaknesses still, they both lacking any really thinking, for example. Because of lacking those brave safety-ideas. Still, a great great match, and the two best players. Ronnie O`Sullivan, Shaum Murphy, Mark Selby or Ding Junhui are NOW desperately behind. Giving the current overall situation. Ronnie could still hunt them both down, but now he must just wait.

Ronnie could hunt them down as he always is "just" Ronnie and everything is REALLY moving! The thinking, the cue ball actually also moves PROPERLY. Still, Kyren and Judd are the 2 clearly best players now. Could be now and forever.

Ronnie is a physical phenomen. Judd also is, but he´s just a model, you know. Ronnie is always "just" Ronnie, and literally has never look himself from the mirror! THAT particularly makes him so great.

Judd´s mid-distance potting still falls apart under the really heavy pressure. That isn´t that much weakness, just mentioned about it.

The physical phenomen just made the quite "silly" standards. 5 players we all should discussed about are Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry, Ronnie O´Sullivan ,Judd Trump and Kyren Wilson, in my mind.

A good topic this one, finally now. So thanks.

Lisowksi ain´t bothering to make those centruries WHILE he should because he cares about his "sporting" looks. He fancies what he fancies, and we all know what it is. Ford moves the cue really pathetically, but he´s just incredible snooker-brain also.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Johnny Bravo

Holden Chinaski wrote:
csprince wrote:this is what happens when people try 2 compare people from different era's it's like comparing ali and tyson etc just enjoy people 4 how good they are in the here and now.

Comparing people from different era's is not that hard if you know your stuff. I'm a Mike Tyson fan, but everyone who knows boxing, including Mike, agrees Ali was better.


No, Ali was not better, he just had a better career. They are entirely different things.
Pit them against each other, both in their prime, and Tyson would win.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Holden Chinaski

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
csprince wrote:this is what happens when people try 2 compare people from different era's it's like comparing ali and tyson etc just enjoy people 4 how good they are in the here and now.

Comparing people from different era's is not that hard if you know your stuff. I'm a Mike Tyson fan, but everyone who knows boxing, including Mike, agrees Ali was better.


No, Ali was not better, he just had a better career. They are entirely different things.
Pit them against each other, both in their prime, and Tyson would win.

I'm not going to talk about boxing with you, Johnny. You clearly know nothing about it. Just leave it.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Johnny Bravo

Holden Chinaski wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Holden Chinaski wrote:
csprince wrote:this is what happens when people try 2 compare people from different era's it's like comparing ali and tyson etc just enjoy people 4 how good they are in the here and now.

Comparing people from different era's is not that hard if you know your stuff. I'm a Mike Tyson fan, but everyone who knows boxing, including Mike, agrees Ali was better.


No, Ali was not better, he just had a better career. They are entirely different things.
Pit them against each other, both in their prime, and Tyson would win.

I'm not going to talk about boxing with you, Johnny. You clearly know nothing about it. Just leave it.


Actually, Holden, I know a lot about boxing. I enjoy this sport.
If u say u are a Tyson fan, then you know about all the stupid decisions he made in his life, the turmoils in his personal life and the way his career went downhill. With that in mind, it is only logical he never fulfilled his potential.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Johnny Bravo

Getting back to the topic being discussed here, I don't think Perry meant that Judd is greater than ROS and Hendry, but that he can play to a higher level than them 2.
Basically he's saying Judd is better, but not greater. Entirely different things.

In order to be greater, he'd have to match or surpass their achievements (WC's, majors, titles, etc).

Even in terms of peak form, IMO he hasn't surpassed Ronnie, cause at his best Ronnie's breakbuilding is flawless, he's always in perfect shape for the next ball, whereas Judd still has to play recovery shots.

Re: Joe Perry: "Judd is better than Hendry and O'Sullivan!!!

Postby Holden Chinaski

Johnny Bravo wrote:If u say u are a Tyson fan, then you know about all the stupid decisions he made in his life, the turmoils in his personal life and the way his career went downhill. With that in mind, it is only logical he never fulfilled his potential.

Yes of course I know and I agree. But Ali was better than Mike. Ali was even more talented and he was mentally much stronger. Mike was fantastic in his prime, but Ali was the greatest heavyweight of all time. And we didn't even see Ali fight in his real prime because of the conviction. Ali was just too good. Mike would say the same. Ali fought some of the best heavyweights ever, and always found a way to win. Mike has never beaten a fighter of the same level as a Frazier or a Foreman..