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Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Pink Ball

Ebdon was a class player. People generally agree that he was very, very good.

Except when they talk about the 2002 world final, when people like to pretend he was a one-handed journeyman that the greatest winner in the game took lightly.

Horse rubbish.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby TheRocket

Pink Ball wrote:Ebdon was a class player. People generally agree that he was very, very good.

Except when they talk about the 2002 world final, when people like to pretend he was a one-handed journeyman that the greatest winner in the game took lightly.

Horse rubbish.


Its Hendry himself though who said he took him for granted. He might be lying of course but thats what he said.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Iranu

TheRocket wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Ebdon was a class player. People generally agree that he was very, very good.

Except when they talk about the 2002 world final, when people like to pretend he was a one-handed journeyman that the greatest winner in the game took lightly.

Horse rubbish.


Its Hendry himself though who said he took him for granted. He might be lying of course but thats what he said.

Exactly. I would never deny that Ebdon was a great player.

My point was more about Hendry having that extra ‘something’ in 1999 that he didn’t have in 2002.

Ebdon may have beaten him regardless of course. But I don’t think so.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Wildey

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Wildey wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
TheRocket wrote:If prime Hendry was a player now he would be still one of the greatest breakbuilders but he wouldnt be head and shoulders above anyone else. On a peak day he might still outscore them but he would get outscored also on another day.


If prime Hendry would be playing nowadays, he wouldn't be among the top 5 players in the world. His one-dimensional game wouldn't allow him to. However, if he applied himself to the tactical and safety department, he'd be top 5.

Snooker is one man on the table at one given time so if you pot balls it doesent matter about safety play Steve Davis is regarded as top 3 tacticians of all time and yet Hendry game could blast through that defencive game players of the 80s were not great potters but great safety players so no Safety was not important for hendry because his potting was on another level and the same would be the case today.


Your point is not valid. It is true that Hendry powered through the defensive players of the 80's, but he did that cause even though they outwitted him in the safety and tactical exchange, they couldn't punish his mistakes with one visit snooker.
The likes of Ronnie, Higgins, Trump, Robbo and Selbo can score just as heavy as Hendry and at the same time they possess the tactical and safety game of the 80's guys. It's a no brainer that in the long run he loses far more matches than he wins.

you did not need to win matches with one visit snooker you can do it with tying players up in knots Judd Trump still struggling against that type of player today Judd Prefers playing attacking players. Hendry could play those type of players as well as Attacking players and btw dismissing The Yips as if its not a problem shows how much you don't understand the type of thing the likes of Steve Peters sorts out in Sportsmen.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Pink Ball

TheRocket wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Ebdon was a class player. People generally agree that he was very, very good.

Except when they talk about the 2002 world final, when people like to pretend he was a one-handed journeyman that the greatest winner in the game took lightly.

Horse rubbish.


Its Hendry himself though who said he took him for granted. He might be lying of course but thats what he said.

Wasn't aware of that. But yes, that would mean he was lying.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Wildey

Pink Ball wrote:
TheRocket wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:Ebdon was a class player. People generally agree that he was very, very good.

Except when they talk about the 2002 world final, when people like to pretend he was a one-handed journeyman that the greatest winner in the game took lightly.

Horse rubbish.


Its Hendry himself though who said he took him for granted. He might be lying of course but thats what he said.

Wasn't aware of that. But yes, that would mean he was lying.

Hes not Lying he beat Ronnie after all that "ill send him back to his sad little life in scotland" coblers and he came up against Ebdon with respect to Ebdon he lost more finals than he won let alone the biggest of all but after he send Ronnie Packing with his tail between his legs Hendry thought he just had to turn up for a victory parade.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Wildey

Pink Ball wrote:No he didn't.

You can believe that until the day you die its rubbish today and it will be rubbish then

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby TheSaviour

As long as there is something not to be discussed yet, as long there will be an easy new , handy informations and news available.

Print your whole posting history with a dates, and make it a book (to you). You will notice that after all it wasn´t that much poor or bad what I used to post... Just keep it coming (hardly no offence taken), even when it feels quite akward at the time.

There will be easy new ones about to arrive.

Overally, it must be someone who posses a constant self-confidence cause we all do trying to gain something from them. And there can´t be anything more valuable than that.

Just a belief that everything is spot on. Still two working hands, still two working legs. No-one quite to tell you what to certainly not to do… If not having those working hands and legs, might require some help, which "might" be on its way… If having those, not ANY KINF OF A help will be on its way.

It must be someone who doesn´t cause any upsets and surprises, given how it is being played... That´s how any given valuable people is being rewarded at. Or must it really? Most of the people always moaning that no really upsets even happen, all is same, no-one ever upsets you in terms of changing your life...

Upsets-wise the greatest ever snooker play of all time is Lucas Kleckers. Never had thought he could start playing so classy and high-quality snooker! He just did! He just did! Kleckers, followed be the likes of Neil Robertson, Zhou, Alexander Ursenbacher, Mark Selby, Anthony McGill.

More traditionally, where they never upsets you with how they just are plus how well they quite or even very consistently do play, are: obviously, Ronnie O´Sullivan. Followed by Stephen Hendry, John Higgins, Mark Williams.

Any given day is different. Tomorrow´s ideas once again will be different than these now. Everything is still there to Page Down, to see what type of it will be then. Can´t change it all. But with traditional greats nothing will ever change. That´s their advantage to run it like that, I do understand and appreciate that. But they should just stick to posses those titles and nicknames, and not to argue absolutely anything else.

It isn´t enough to really be a great, great player on the table. Everything is judged by how to bring it on. Modesty used to be something everyone were happy about but that´s how it just used to be. These days arrogance and pride are everything. Pride to gain from somewhere, to post it somewhere, not having a go, but just possessing pride.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Johnny Bravo

Wildey wrote: you did not need to win matches with one visit snooker

Yes you did if you expected to beat a player like Hendry.

Wildey wrote:you can do it with tying players up in knots Judd Trump still struggling against that type of player today Judd Prefers playing attacking players

Judd prefers attacking players cause he does't enjoy the boring safety part, but, just like Ronnie, he can play it as good as anyone if he puts his mind to it.
And he struggles against that type of player cause in the modern game most top pros don't play that type of game, usually the lower ranked ones do and again, just like ROS, Judd doesn't take them seriously enough.


Wildey wrote: btw dismissing The Yips as if its not a problem shows how much you don't understand the type of thing the likes of Steve Peters sorts out in Sportsmen.

Steve Peters is a psychiatrist, not an actual medic. The yips are involuntary wrist spasms, and he doesn't have any qualification to treat that.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby HappyCamper

Johnny Bravo wrote:Steve Peters is a psychiatrist, not an actual medic. The yips are involuntary wrist spasms, and he doesn't have any qualification to treat that.



A psychiatrist is a medical doctor. And the causes of the yips is unknown and some theorise they may be psychological.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Johnny Bravo

HappyCamper wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:Steve Peters is a psychiatrist, not an actual medic. The yips are involuntary wrist spasms, and he doesn't have any qualification to treat that.



A psychiatrist is a medical doctor. And the causes of the yips is unknown and some theorise they may be psychological.


Are u somehow implying that after seeing that his opposition had improved and got the better of him in most matches, Hendry was so afraid that he started shaking uncontrollably ? :hmmm: :shock: :shock: :shock: :chuckle:

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby HappyCamper

Johnny Bravo wrote:
HappyCamper wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:Steve Peters is a psychiatrist, not an actual medic. The yips are involuntary wrist spasms, and he doesn't have any qualification to treat that.



A psychiatrist is a medical doctor. And the causes of the yips is unknown and some theorise they may be psychological.


Are u somehow implying that after seeing that his opposition had improved and got the better of him in most matches, Hendry was so afraid that he started shaking uncontrollably ? :hmmm: :shock: :shock: :shock: :chuckle:


Um, no?

I'm saying there may be an underlying psychological issue causing or contributing to the development of the yips. I never speculated on what those might be in Hendry's case; having never even met, let alone examined, him.

Re: who-is-the-greatest-snooker-player-of-all-time

Postby Johnny Bravo

HappyCamper wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
HappyCamper wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:Steve Peters is a psychiatrist, not an actual medic. The yips are involuntary wrist spasms, and he doesn't have any qualification to treat that.



A psychiatrist is a medical doctor. And the causes of the yips is unknown and some theorise they may be psychological.


Are u somehow implying that after seeing that his opposition had improved and got the better of him in most matches, Hendry was so afraid that he started shaking uncontrollably ? :hmmm: :shock: :shock: :shock: :chuckle:


Um, no?

I'm saying there may be an underlying psychological issue causing or contributing to the development of the yips. I never speculated on what those might be in Hendry's case; having never even met, let alone examined, him.


Don't sweat it HC, I was only joking. :chuckle:
You are a nice poster. :hatoff:


   

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