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Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Chalk McHugh

SnookerFan wrote:So, in 10 or 20 years will the best of the era be able to beat Ronnie prime vs prime?


No. I reckon Ronnie is a once-every-100 years type of player. Or every few hundred years. A genius doesnt come around every era.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Johnny Bravo

Chalk McHugh wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:So, in 10 or 20 years will the best of the era be able to beat Ronnie prime vs prime?


No. I reckon Ronnie is a once-every-100 years type of player. Or every few hundred years. A genius doesn't come around every era.


I agree with this. I do think however that the best in 10 or 20 years will be able to beat most, if not all other top players from this era.

There is one point I would like to make though. In any sport, in order for the standard to go up, the sport has to continually evolve or at least maintain it's current level. That way, more and more players take up the game. They learn from those before them and improve where they can. If money isn't being pumped into the sport, than less and less people will start taking it up, so there is no way to improve.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Deewee

Johnny Bravo wrote: He even said that even if he was in prime again now, he'd have trouble being a top 16 player.

I don't know how he can believe this. He was ranked 15th in 2007 at the age of 50

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby SnookerFan

Deewee wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote: He even said that even if he was in prime again now, he'd have trouble being a top 16 player.

I don't know how he can believe this. He was ranked 15th in 2007 at the age of 50


Modesty?

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Iranu

Yeah I think Davis is being humble there. This is a guy whose best days were playing on 80s cloths and yet he made 355 centuries in his career. Considering he's also a tactical master, there's no doubt he'd be a top player if he was in his prime now.

As for the next era, at this rate Ronnie will still be the best of that era if the young'ns don't start breaking through and grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby The_Abbott

Dan-cat wrote:Can't wait to listen to this. Young Dan Cat was devastated when Hendry came along and gradually started to beat the Nugget. I loved the Nugget.


yeah me too. I disliked Hendry winning everything. Dare I say he made it boring for a while in the 90's. But I should blame Jimmy for that......bottled it!

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Wildey

Johnny Bravo wrote:
SnookerFan wrote:Despite the debatable bit about Hendry winning prime vs prime, I agree with this bit;

"I was stronger mentally. But he’s more talented than me, making shots left-handed and sinking a 147 in 4½ minutes. My fastest maximum would be over nine minutes.” (Though, it was five and a half, wasn't it?)

It's the same point I was making in another thread a few days ago. Hendry was a greater continual winner, and had a stronger temperament and will to win. Ronnie's has improved, but he struggled a lot of times earlier in his career by just not wanting to be at matches. Hendry would never lose, because he couldn't be bothered.


I also agree with this, but in such a match I am sure Ronnie would be up for it. I simply give Ronnie the edge cause he's a better all round player than Stephen.
But Hendry was being very honest, I respect that.
The only part I don't get from his interview is the part about him mingling with other players. From his perspective, that was a bad thing, but life is also about socializing and having fun, not just about work.

When you go in to a office you dont want to beat your Work Mate.


For him he wanted to stamp on oponement faces and keep them down keep the myth alive.

When Hendry started comentating i knew his days were numbered.

he never even watched snooker when he was at his peak. beat people then walk out in a car and away.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby snucar

Excellent listening. A world final clash between these two titans of the game would have been the match of the century!

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby sas6789

Cloud Strife wrote:
carayip wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/15/stephen-hendry-yips-snooker-interview

Good Hendry interview this is. At least he’s honest, if anything.


I've read this.

It's a decent interview until he ruined it by saying he would beat Ronnie in a four session match if both were in their prime.

Does the 99 world semi ring any bells?

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Cloud Strife

sas6789 wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
carayip wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/15/stephen-hendry-yips-snooker-interview

Good Hendry interview this is. At least he’s honest, if anything.


I've read this.

It's a decent interview until he ruined it by saying he would beat Ronnie in a four session match if both were in their prime.

Does the 99 world semi ring any bells?


It does, as well as the 2004 and 2008 semi-finals.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Wildey

Cloud Strife wrote:
sas6789 wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
carayip wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/15/stephen-hendry-yips-snooker-interview

Good Hendry interview this is. At least he’s honest, if anything.


I've read this.

It's a decent interview until he ruined it by saying he would beat Ronnie in a four session match if both were in their prime.

Does the 99 world semi ring any bells?


It does, as well as the 2004 and 2008 semi-finals.

Lets get one thing Straight Hendry did not play in either of thoes Matches so you cant say that both was at their Best by any stretch of anyones imagination.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby The_Abbott

Dan-cat wrote:
Johnny Bravo wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:
Deewee wrote:The 80's also had huge pockets to be fair


In both senses
:huh:

What do you mean ?


It was boom time in the game. Loadsa money!


They even gave away Lada's.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Dan-cat

Iranu wrote:Yeah I think Davis is being humble there. This is a guy whose best days were playing on 80s cloths and yet he made 355 centuries in his career. Considering he's also a tactical master, there's no doubt he'd be a top player if he was in his prime now.

As for the next era, at this rate Ronnie will still be the best of that era if the young'ns don't start breaking through and grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck.


Yeah Davis is. He played one-visit snooker when at is his best. I remember Dennis Taylor saying 'if you missed against Steve you sat back in your chair and got ready for the next frame.'

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby SnookerFan

Cloud Strife wrote:
sas6789 wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
carayip wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/15/stephen-hendry-yips-snooker-interview

Good Hendry interview this is. At least he’s honest, if anything.


I've read this.

It's a decent interview until he ruined it by saying he would beat Ronnie in a four session match if both were in their prime.

Does the 99 world semi ring any bells?


It does, as well as the 2004 and 2008 semi-finals.


Hendry wasn't in his prime in 2008.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Wildey

SnookerFan wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
sas6789 wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
carayip wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/15/stephen-hendry-yips-snooker-interview

Good Hendry interview this is. At least he’s honest, if anything.


I've read this.

It's a decent interview until he ruined it by saying he would beat Ronnie in a four session match if both were in their prime.

Does the 99 world semi ring any bells?


It does, as well as the 2004 and 2008 semi-finals.


Hendry wasn't in his prime in 2008.

Hendry was not in his prime in 2002 either Ronnies Coment inspired him to beat him in that Match. For me that is the World Championship that got away for Ronnie.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby TheRocket

The 2004 O'Sullivan was stronger than any version of Hendry. It was the year he worked with Reardon and his allround game was on a completely different level than anything we've seen from him in 1999-2002.

In the pre-Reardon era he was just a heavy scorer.

He absolutely destroyed Hendry 17:4 in that semfinal. And even if you say Hendry wasnt in his prime he was still far too good to lose that heavy.

Hendry had actually even beaten O'Sullivan in the British Open final and UK semi that season. Both very high quality matches.

Re: Davis and Hendry on Talksport

Postby Wildey

TheRocket wrote:The 2004 O'Sullivan was stronger than any version of Hendry. It was the year he worked with Reardon and his allround game was on a completely different level than anything we've seen from him in 1999-2002.

In the pre-Reardon era he was just a heavy scorer.

He absolutely destroyed Hendry 17:4 in that semfinal. And even if you say Hendry wasnt in his prime he was still far too good to lose that heavy.

Hendry had actually even beaten O'Sullivan in the British Open final and UK semi that season. Both very high quality matches.

But Hendry did not perform at all in that 2004 Semi.

Apart from 1 session where Ronnie was flying Hendry had plenty of chances in the other 2 session Hendry lost that Match in the 1st session he let Ronnie have a 6-1 lead where it could have easily had a lead of 4-3 had he been anywhere near his best form then from 6-1 Ronnie is tough to peg back especially the way he played in the second session of that Match.

You could argue Ronnie is too good to lose 6-1 to Mark Davis but it happened and it happens just because he won other matches that season doesent mean anything.

Hendry's long potting was the problem not his breakbuilding back then he would stil go for shots and missed more than he got leaving Ronnie bang in the balls.