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Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Dan-cat

There you go, you lovely man:


1 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 16s
2 Ronnie O'Sullivan 17s
3 Judd Trump 18s
4 Mark Williams 18s
5 Jack Lisowski 18s
6 Luca Brecel 18s
7 Zhao Xintong 18s
8 Robert Milkins 19s
9 Mark Allen 19s
10 Joe Perry 19s
11 Ding Junhui 19s
12 Michael White 19s
13 Soheil Vahedi 19s
14 Marco Fu 20s
15 Shaun Murphy 20s
16 Ryan Day 20s
17 Graeme Dott 20s
18 Jimmy Robertson 20s
19 Robbie Williams 20s
20 Mark King 21s
21 Alfie Burden 21s
22 Matthew Stevens 21s
23 Andrew Higginson 21s
24 Ken Doherty 21s
25 Jimmy White 21s
26 Tom Ford 21s
27 Gary Wilson 21s
28 Jamie Jones 21s
29 Billy Castle 21s
30 Sanderson Lam 21s
31 Yuan SiJun 21s
32 Yan Bingtao 21s
33 Mike Dunn 22s
34 Ali Carter 22s
35 Barry Hawkins 22s
36 John Higgins 22s
37 Neil Robertson 22s
38 Martin Gould 22s
39 Kurt Maflin 22s
40 Michael Georgiou 22s
41 Alexander Ursenbacher 22s
42 Oliver Lines 22s
43 Hammad Miah 22s
44 Hossein Vafaei 22s
45 Stephen Maguire 23s
46 Ian Preece 23s
47 Stuart Bingham 23s
48 Joe Swail 23s
49 Dominic Dale 23s
50 Peter Lines 23s
51 Mark Selby 23s
52 Jamie Curtis-Barrett 23s
53 Ben Woollaston 23s
54 Tian Pengfei 23s
55 Liang Wenbo 23s
56 Xiao Guodong 23s
57 Kyren Wilson 23s
58 Yu DeLu 23s
59 Eden Sharav 23s
60 Chris Wakelin 23s
61 Lyu Haotian 23s
62 Wang Yuchen 23s
63 Leo Fernandez 24s
64 Michael Holt 24s
65 James Wattana 24s
66 Robin Hull 24s
67 Ricky Walden 24s
68 Craig Steadman 24s
69 Allan Taylor 24s
70 Matthew Selt 24s
71 Sam Baird 24s
72 Zhou Yuelong 24s
73 Niu Zhuang 24s
74 Chris Totten 24s
75 Mark Davis 25s
76 Gerard Greene 25s
77 David John 25s
78 Mark Joyce 25s
79 Adam Duffy 25s
80 Li Hang 25s
81 Daniel Wells 25s
82 Liam Highfield 25s
83 Noppon Saengkham 25s
84 Ian Burns 25s
85 Duane Jones 25s
86 Josh Boileau 25s
87 Basem Eltahhan 25s
88 Rhys Clark 25s
89 Xu Si 25s
90 Kritsanut Lerts'athorn 25s
91 Alex Borg 26s
92 David Gilbert 26s
93 Nigel Bond 26s
94 John Astley 26s
95 Zhang Anda 26s
96 Anthony McGill 26s
97 Chen Zhe 26s
98 Christopher Keogan 26s
99 Sean O'Sullivan 26s
100 Elliot Slessor 26s
101 Li Yuan 26s
102 Zhang Yong 26s
103 Thor Chuan Leong 26s
104 Alan McManus 27s
105 David Grace 27s
106 Sam Craigie 27s
107 Cao Yupeng 27s
108 Scott Donaldson 27s
109 Chen Zifan 27s
110 Boonyarit Keattikun 27s
111 Hamza Akbar 27s
112 Kurt Dunham 27s
113 Mei Xiwen 28s
114 Fang Xiongman 28s
115 Sunny Akani 28s
116 Rory McLeod 29s
117 Fergal O'Brien 29s
118 Aditya Mehta 29s
119 Stuart Carrington 29s
120 Anthony Hamilton 30s
121 Ross Muir 30s
122 Matthew Bolton 30s
123 Martin O'Donnell 31s
124 Paul Davison 31s
125 Jak Jones 31s
126 Mitchell Mann 31s
127 Lukas Kleckers 31s
128 Ashley Hugill 31s
129 Peter Ebdon 32s
130 Rod Lawler 33s
131 Lee Walker 35s

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Dan-cat

It's a bit flawed this aint it. I mean - there are 9 players on 22secs, who technically should all be in a joint position. How did they decide to rank them?

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby The_Abbott

Dan-cat wrote:It's a bit flawed this aint it. I mean - there are 9 players on 22secs, who technically should all be in a joint position. How did they decide to rank them?


they probably take into account the number of frames played to get that average.

That or they just pick names out of a hat.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Iranu

The_Abbott wrote:
Dan-cat wrote:It's a bit flawed this aint it. I mean - there are 9 players on 22secs, who technically should all be in a joint position. How did they decide to rank them?


they probably take into account the number of frames played to get that average.

That or they just pick names out of a hat.

Maybe they measure it more accurately than they show on the site.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SteveJJ

Goes some way to exploding the oft quoted comment on here that Selby is particularly slow. Same average shot time as the likes of Maguire and Wilson and I can't remember the same people moaning about their slowness.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Dan-cat

Badsnookerplayer wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:The better players are generally faster. Interesting.


Selby's not even in the top 50. :chin:

He is equal eighth


Haha. Quite. Shitty list.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Cloud Strife

Badsnookerplayer wrote:
Cloud Strife wrote:
Pink Ball wrote:The better players are generally faster. Interesting.


Selby's not even in the top 50. :chin:

He is equal eighth


No he's not. He's actually joint 45th...unless I'm looking at a different list to you.

It's all moot anyway since my previous post was tongue in cheek.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SnookerFan

Dan-cat wrote:There you go, you lovely man:


1 Thepchaiya Un-Nooh 16s
2 Ronnie O'Sullivan 17s
3 Judd Trump 18s
4 Mark Williams 18s
5 Jack Lisowski 18s
6 Luca Brecel 18s
7 Zhao Xintong 18s
8 Robert Milkins 19s
9 Mark Allen 19s
10 Joe Perry 19s
11 Ding Junhui 19s
12 Michael White 19s
13 Soheil Vahedi 19s
14 Marco Fu 20s
15 Shaun Murphy 20s
16 Ryan Day 20s
17 Graeme Dott 20s
18 Jimmy Robertson 20s
19 Robbie Williams 20s
20 Mark King 21s
21 Alfie Burden 21s
22 Matthew Stevens 21s
23 Andrew Higginson 21s
24 Ken Doherty 21s
25 Jimmy White 21s
26 Tom Ford 21s
27 Gary Wilson 21s
28 Jamie Jones 21s
29 Billy Castle 21s
30 Sanderson Lam 21s
31 Yuan SiJun 21s
32 Yan Bingtao 21s
33 Mike Dunn 22s
34 Ali Carter 22s
35 Barry Hawkins 22s
36 John Higgins 22s
37 Neil Robertson 22s
38 Martin Gould 22s
39 Kurt Maflin 22s
40 Michael Georgiou 22s
41 Alexander Ursenbacher 22s
42 Oliver Lines 22s
43 Hammad Miah 22s
44 Hossein Vafaei 22s
45 Stephen Maguire 23s
46 Ian Preece 23s
47 Stuart Bingham 23s
48 Joe Swail 23s
49 Dominic Dale 23s
50 Peter Lines 23s
51 Mark Selby 23s
52 Jamie Curtis-Barrett 23s
53 Ben Woollaston 23s
54 Tian Pengfei 23s
55 Liang Wenbo 23s
56 Xiao Guodong 23s
57 Kyren Wilson 23s
58 Yu DeLu 23s
59 Eden Sharav 23s
60 Chris Wakelin 23s
61 Lyu Haotian 23s
62 Wang Yuchen 23s
63 Leo Fernandez 24s
64 Michael Holt 24s
65 James Wattana 24s
66 Robin Hull 24s
67 Ricky Walden 24s
68 Craig Steadman 24s
69 Allan Taylor 24s
70 Matthew Selt 24s
71 Sam Baird 24s
72 Zhou Yuelong 24s
73 Niu Zhuang 24s
74 Chris Totten 24s
75 Mark Davis 25s
76 Gerard Greene 25s
77 David John 25s
78 Mark Joyce 25s
79 Adam Duffy 25s
80 Li Hang 25s
81 Daniel Wells 25s
82 Liam Highfield 25s
83 Noppon Saengkham 25s
84 Ian Burns 25s
85 Duane Jones 25s
86 Josh Boileau 25s
87 Basem Eltahhan 25s
88 Rhys Clark 25s
89 Xu Si 25s
90 Kritsanut Lerts'athorn 25s
91 Alex Borg 26s
92 David Gilbert 26s
93 Nigel Bond 26s
94 John Astley 26s
95 Zhang Anda 26s
96 Anthony McGill 26s
97 Chen Zhe 26s
98 Christopher Keogan 26s
99 Sean O'Sullivan 26s
100 Elliot Slessor 26s
101 Li Yuan 26s
102 Zhang Yong 26s
103 Thor Chuan Leong 26s
104 Alan McManus 27s
105 David Grace 27s
106 Sam Craigie 27s
107 Cao Yupeng 27s
108 Scott Donaldson 27s
109 Chen Zifan 27s
110 Boonyarit Keattikun 27s
111 Hamza Akbar 27s
112 Kurt Dunham 27s
113 Mei Xiwen 28s
114 Fang Xiongman 28s
115 Sunny Akani 28s
116 Rory McLeod 29s
117 Fergal O'Brien 29s
118 Aditya Mehta 29s
119 Stuart Carrington 29s
120 Anthony Hamilton 30s
121 Ross Muir 30s
122 Matthew Bolton 30s
123 Martin O'Donnell 31s
124 Paul Davison 31s
125 Jak Jones 31s
126 Mitchell Mann 31s
127 Lukas Kleckers 31s
128 Ashley Hugill 31s
129 Peter Ebdon 32s
130 Rod Lawler 33s
131 Lee Walker 35s



I see what you mean about Teppy now. Number One. :win:

No surprise to see Ebdon and Rod The Plod down the bottom.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SnookerFan

Badsnookerplayer wrote:For me, this is the real world ranking list.

Don't give a rubbish what they pot - as long as they are fast.


Yeah, it does seem odd.

Especially, when the guy ranked 50th is still only on 23 seconds average. I mean that's not that long.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SnookerFan

Dan-cat wrote:It's a bit flawed this aint it. I mean - there are 9 players on 22secs, who technically should all be in a joint position. How did they decide to rank them?


Personal preference?

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby Andy Spark

SteveJJ wrote:Goes some way to exploding the oft quoted comment on here that Selby is particularly slow. Same average shot time as the likes of Maguire and Wilson and I can't remember the same people moaning about their slowness.

Yes, Selby isn't really a "slow player" in the normal sense, as these stats show. However, his tactical preferences, his (admittedly) brilliant safety game and his (admittedly) impressive ability to hold 100% concentration for very long periods of relatively uninspiring snooker often impact on frame duration.


I guess when people describe him as "slow" or "slowby" this is more what they refer to. Steve Davis would be in the same boat.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SteveJJ

SnookerEd25 wrote:Goodness me, but aren't Maguire and Wilson slow :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:


Haha. Maguire less so now hes used the championship league decrease his average time by a second!

I'll have to replace him with Liang in my argument of players with the same average as Selby but no one thinks is particularly slow.

Re: World snooker publishes average shot time

Postby SteveJJ

Andy Spark wrote:
SteveJJ wrote:Goes some way to exploding the oft quoted comment on here that Selby is particularly slow. Same average shot time as the likes of Maguire and Wilson and I can't remember the same people moaning about their slowness.

Yes, Selby isn't really a "slow player" in the normal sense, as these stats show. However, his tactical preferences, his (admittedly) brilliant safety game and his (admittedly) impressive ability to hold 100% concentration for very long periods of relatively uninspiring snooker often impact on frame duration.


I guess when people describe him as "slow" or "slowby" this is more what they refer to. Steve Davis would be in the same boat.


Good post.

So those who call Selby slow are more than likely meaning they don't like tactical play to the extent that Selby plays it and equate that with slow play when its technically not based on these stats.