What's gone wrong for Ronnie in finals ?.
- Ronnie79
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SnookerFan wrote:Championship League.Why are we even counting that?
SnookerFan wrote:The European Masters final, he played well and lost in a deciding frame to somebody also playing well.
Didn't watch much of the CoC, but again lost to a form player.
You'd only think Ronnie was in decline if you watched the first session of the final, and nothing else all week. Earlier in the week, he was winning matches whilst barely conceding a frame.
Considering he won the Masters 10-1 in January, and the Welsh Open in February, and has made three final since I'm not sure we can consider too much having gone wrong.
TheRocket wrote:SnookerFan wrote:The European Masters final, he played well and lost in a deciding frame to somebody also playing well.
Didn't watch much of the CoC, but again lost to a form player.
You'd only think Ronnie was in decline if you watched the first session of the final, and nothing else all week. Earlier in the week, he was winning matches whilst barely conceding a frame.
Considering he won the Masters 10-1 in January, and the Welsh Open in February, and has made three final since I'm not sure we can consider too much having gone wrong.
Even if he isn't playing his worst game, you have to say, its quite noticeable how this level suddenly drops in the final, compared to how the played the rounds before. He didnt play his worst final ever against Trump but compared to how he played until that point and especially in the semis against Neil it was quite some decrease.
Same in the Welsh Open. Luckily for him Neil couldnt pot a ball in that second session for whatever reason. That first session here against Selby was a shocker as well. That COC final was poor either, compared to how he played against Allen the round before. And Allen didnt play bad at all btw.
He's obviously doing something wrong at least, otherwise he wouldnt lose three finals in a row. From what I've seen, something which just had happened once before in his career.
Imo its the consistency. He doesnt seem to be capable of playing 2-3 good frames on the trot. And it costs him.
Andre147 wrote:Of course Ronnie is in decline, it's inevitable for someone 41 years old!
However, is this decline to the point the can't win titles anymore? of course not, he can and will win more.
Some here think Ronnie's decline means he's finished for good winning titles, when in truth he's the current Masters and Welsh Open Champion and has reached 3 Major finals this season.
He'll win more titles, just not as frequently as in the past because he's in decline, a slow but steady decline nevertheless.
SnookerFan wrote:Besides, Ronnie is a five times World Champion, a five time UK Champion and a six time Masters champion. A 28 time ranking event winner.
Even if he didn't win anything more in his career (which I think he will), I wouldn't consider it that big a deal. It's not like we've never witnessed him win anything, is it?
Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
Pink Ball wrote:Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
You don't even think he's good at snooker though.
Pink Ball wrote:Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
You don't even think he's good at snooker though.
sas6789 wrote:In the European Masters he played pretty well as did Trump but Ronnie was just edged out by a player playing well who doesn't fear him If it was say Ding, Carter or Murphy in the final they would never have won that decider.
Alex0paul wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
You don't even think he's good at snooker though.
I've never once said that. People crying that he's losing finals could possibly be that he's actually up against a decent opponent for a change.
Alex0paul wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
You don't even think he's good at snooker though.
I've never once said that. People crying that he's losing finals could possibly be that he's actually up against a decent opponent for a change.
TheRocket wrote:Alex0paul wrote:Pink Ball wrote:Alex0paul wrote:He's not playing Ali Carter, Barry Hawkins, Graeme Dott in finals
You don't even think he's good at snooker though.
I've never once said that. People crying that he's losing finals could possibly be that he's actually up against a decent opponent for a change.
He has played most of his finals against Hendry and Higgins and has a leading record against both of them.
When O'Sullivan plays at his best it doesnt matter whos in front of him.
sas6789 wrote:TheRocket wrote:
He has played most of his finals against Hendry and Higgins and has a leading record against both of them.
When O'Sullivan plays at his best it doesnt matter whos in front of him.
No quite true actually, Higgins and Hendry have both beat him when he's played at his best eg 1999 World semi final, 2003 British Open final and 2006 Masters Final.
TheRocket wrote:sas6789 wrote:TheRocket wrote:
He has played most of his finals against Hendry and Higgins and has a leading record against both of them.
When O'Sullivan plays at his best it doesnt matter whos in front of him.
No quite true actually, Higgins and Hendry have both beat him when he's played at his best eg 1999 World semi final, 2003 British Open final and 2006 Masters Final.
I admit. I shouldnt have said it doesnt matter because it did indeed happen. Him losing at his peak.
And I definitely agree with the 1999 semi, not with the others. That wasnt peak O'Sullivan. But in the end it doesnt change the overall context.
The match is more often than not on Ronnies racquet and not on the racquet of his opponent. Like it was with Federer or Nadal in their primes.
Of course you'll have these 1 or 2 matches every 2-3 years where your opponent just completely plays out of his skin. Playing the match of his life and even beat you at your peak like Hawkins for example has done in the World.