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Grinder: insult or compliment?

Insult
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50%
Compliment
5
50%
 
Total votes : 10

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Iranu

it depends on the intention of the person saying it, right?

One person could use the word as an insult, another as a compliment.

Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing to be a grinder if it wins you matches. If you win then your strategy is successful.

I don't find it enjoyable to watch though.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby sundaygirl

When Cliff Thorburn was given the nickname THE Grinder it was a compliment.
Out of all the players of his type he was the pinnacle.
However in the modern game it's a back handed compliment at best and an outright diss at worse.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby SnookerFan

sundaygirl wrote:On a side note, How do you think players feel about be described as solid?
That always seems a half hearted compliment to me.


I always saw that as a mid-way point.

Solid, but not spectacular.

They'll play a decent game, make it difficult for opponents, feature in the business end a lot of tournaments. But their style of play isn't flashy, or they aren't particularly charismatic.

At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with that. You're there to win ultimately, not to show off or charge round the table. But people, even commentators, often use it as code to mean; "inferior to the exciting players".

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Wildey

sundaygirl wrote:When Cliff Thorburn was given the nickname THE Grinder it was a compliment.
Out of all the players of his type he was the pinnacle.
However in the modern game it's a back handed compliment at best and an outright diss at worse.

As legend has it Alex Higgins dubbed Thorburn the Grinder in the 70s. Knowing the history between both men id say Alex was a tad derogatory however Thorburn ran with it and it gave Thorburn a identity in some respect.

When most on here Play Snooker they play more the Thorburn way than they do the Ronnie way even if in their heart they think they play like Ronnie.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby PoolBoy

Another peculiar 'label' is to refer to a player as being 'born with natural talent'.

I remember saying to a very good amateur player that he was 'blessed with natural ability' and should win his game that evening....I got an earful of abuse!
He took it as a 'slight' on all the hours, commitment and graft he'd put in to reach his 100+ break standard!

His 'take' on my supposed compliment was that his prowess was somewhat less-impressive - as his skill had all been 'given to him' by a quirk of genes!

Sometimes you just can't win! <laugh>

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Iranu

PoolBoy wrote:Another peculiar 'label' is to refer to a player as being 'born with natural talent'.

I remember saying to a very good amateur player that he was 'blessed with natural ability' and should win his game that evening....I got an earful of abuse!
He took it as a 'slight' on all the hours, commitment and graft he'd put in to reach his 100+ break standard!

His 'take' on my supposed compliment was that his prowess was somewhat less-impressive - as his skill had all been 'given to him' by a quirk of genes!

Sometimes you just can't win! <laugh>

I believe Ronnie once said something similar about being labelled a "genius" - he said it made it sound like he didn't have to work hard or practise.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Andre147

Iranu wrote:
PoolBoy wrote:Another peculiar 'label' is to refer to a player as being 'born with natural talent'.

I remember saying to a very good amateur player that he was 'blessed with natural ability' and should win his game that evening....I got an earful of abuse!
He took it as a 'slight' on all the hours, commitment and graft he'd put in to reach his 100+ break standard!

His 'take' on my supposed compliment was that his prowess was somewhat less-impressive - as his skill had all been 'given to him' by a quirk of genes!

Sometimes you just can't win! <laugh>

I believe Ronnie once said something similar about being labelled a "genius" - he said it made it sound like he didn't have to work hard or practise.


And he's right. He's naturally gifted no doubt about it, but he works harder than most players do, he couldn't achieve what he has in his career if only with the "natural ability".

Natural ability is one thing, but you need to master the game in order to be sucessful, otherwise the likes of Lisowski would have won tournaments by now... Naturally gifted he is, but that's only part of it.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Andre147

regarding the subject, I don't think it's either a compliment or an insult, that's why I didn't vote... it depend which person and how that person says it...

One thing though is that if you can grind to win matches like Selby often does, then that's good... but if you grind and can't win them then that player should look for an alternative...

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Wildey

Andre147 wrote:regarding the subject, I don't think it's either a compliment or an insult, that's why I didn't vote... it depend which person and how that person says it...

One thing though is that if you can grind to win matches like Selby often does, then that's good... but if you grind and can't win them then that player should look for an alternative...

If you Grind and cant win believe me you will get hammered playing another way.


there is a reason you grind......reason is doing the best you can to win that match.....Hendry for example refused to grind on principle and it cost him a lot of matches and tournaments ultimately even during his peak years.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby TheSaviour

Tough Lines for Robertson.

And Mark King went from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Don´t know if the correct term is "grinder" or possibly a "journeyman" . Either way, it is a possibly to get some nice results and to surprise people. Don´t know either what scores of fans are fancing when following the game. Wasn´t that much surprised when Neil Robertson crashed out. But certainly it was on the cards that Mark King would had been able to continue his form. It is truth that every player has their bogeymen where the odds should be even even if other player would be a top player and other determined as the journeyman. But then again, we are all have own dark side; it is not even possible to scout all these different situations and players. So it is just anyone´s guess. BUT the odds and pre-analysis are good enough when there is just enough effort and motivation putted in. So then it is allright. That´s strange but that´s how it works.

Re: Is the term 'grinder' a compliment or an insult?

Postby Holden Chinaski

Wildey wrote:
Andre147 wrote:regarding the subject, I don't think it's either a compliment or an insult, that's why I didn't vote... it depend which person and how that person says it...

One thing though is that if you can grind to win matches like Selby often does, then that's good... but if you grind and can't win them then that player should look for an alternative...

If you Grind and cant win believe me you will get hammered playing another way.


there is a reason you grind......reason is doing the best you can to win that match.....Hendry for example refused to grind on principle and it cost him a lot of matches and tournaments ultimately even during his peak years.

But in the end, Hendry still won more than anyone else and did so playing the game the way he loved. For some people it's about honor. They don't just want to to win, they want to win in a certain way. Other players make grinding their style, and that's ok. But it's not a way to go for people like Hendry or Ronnie.