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147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Sickpotter

When a 147 stands to net a player 147k prize money that's got to put enormous pressure on the player from the moment they decide to go for it.

When you posit the above, does that mean when a 147 stands to net a player 10k there would be far less pressure on them? I would say yes.

So......

Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:

Discuss... :stir: :stir:

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby acesinc

Sickpotter wrote:When a 147 stands to net a player 147k prize money that's got to put enormous pressure on the player from the moment they decide to go for it.

When you posit the above, does that mean when a 147 stands to net a player 10k there would be far less pressure on them? I would say yes.

So......

Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:

Discuss... :stir: :stir:


I think this is an interesting and valid theory. The problem is that it will take deep pockets to put it to the proper laboratory testing. I wonder if anyone from within the Snooker world or without has pursued the idea of the 147 maximum as a marketing scheme. Currently, when a player makes a maximum, everyone knows about it and celebrates for a couple of days, wonder what sort of pocket change he received for this one, but where does the money actually come from?

For instance, many golf tournaments, there is a shiny, new car sitting on a pedestal by the tee box of a par 3 hole of course with the sponsor dealer's information emblazoned for all to see. Player gets a hole-in-one, drives away in a new car. Nobody gets a hole-in-one, dealer drives his car back to his lot.

Now imagine...an outside sponsor, nothing whatsoever to do with snooker or gambling (or back in the old days, booze and cigarettes) pledges the prize, $147,000 or whatever is deemed appropriate (let the mathematicians and statisticians work out the risk/reward curve for maximum advert benefit). That is all they do is pledge, no additional money but they get their name and logo emblazoned on the banners. And at some point in the break, say the player makes three reds and three blacks (happens at least several times a match), an unobtrusive watermark comes on the screen pointing out the fact that this company is the sponsor in the event that this turns out to be a 147 maxi.

I could see this being useful to something like an investment company that you would entrust with your money. They could have a gimmicky motto attached, "We strive for perfection to grow your investment" or something of the sort.

And if they are really worried about Ronnie constantly swindling them with a maxi at every event, they could make a side deal with him (no one would need to even know) so he becomes a spokesperson and he is exempted from the prize (it is in the fine print...employees of Such and Such Company are ineligible for the contest) although they would certainly take care of him. But just to keep Ronnie honest, they set up the deal that he has to produce at least one maxi a season or else he doesn't get paid. Need to make sure he doesn't pull his usual shenanigans.

Think outside the box. Get on it marketing people!

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby fridge46

Sickpotter wrote:Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:


Well, we have at least one less 147 due to lower prize money :chin:

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby PoolBoy

It would be interesting if a company sponsored the 147th maximum break with a prize of £147,000.
Once 146 is reached, players would then, I'm sure, be specifically trying for the 147th!
118 maximums so far, so the 147th is probably 4 or 5 years away....

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby SnookerFan

fridge46 wrote:
Sickpotter wrote:Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:


Well, we have at least one less 147 due to lower prize money :chin:


rofl

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Wildey

Sickpotter wrote:When a 147 stands to net a player 147k prize money that's got to put enormous pressure on the player from the moment they decide to go for it.

When you posit the above, does that mean when a 147 stands to net a player 10k there would be far less pressure on them? I would say yes.

So......

Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:

Discuss... :stir: :stir:

147K was only available at the World Championship or they had a expensive car at the Masters but in the Welsh Open for example i think the Highest ever amount was 20k and PTC was never going to command a as big a Prize Pot for maximums no matter what era in time we was in.

i just think theres more snooker being played so players know if i fail now theres another chance soon.

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby roy142857

Apologies to be sliding slightly off-topic, but as snooker benefits from the positive publicity surrounding 147s, I do wonder if there ought to be ranking money/points attached to them. Taking that back to SP's point, if you did that would you get less or more 147s? More pressure but more attempts? And would it skew late season matches as players on the cusp of losing a Tour place perhaps deliberately aiming for 147s as a way of staying on Tour?

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Wildey

roy142857 wrote:Apologies to be sliding slightly off-topic, but as snooker benefits from the positive publicity surrounding 147s, I do wonder if there ought to be ranking money/points attached to them. Taking that back to SP's point, if you did that would you get less or more 147s? More pressure but more attempts? And would it skew late season matches as players on the cusp of losing a Tour place perhaps deliberately aiming for 147s as a way of staying on Tour?

That would be sad for the sport if players were give ranking points based on 5 to 10 minutes.


Ranking should be about nothing other than winning a match or tournament.

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby SnookerFan

Wildey wrote:
roy142857 wrote:Apologies to be sliding slightly off-topic, but as snooker benefits from the positive publicity surrounding 147s, I do wonder if there ought to be ranking money/points attached to them. Taking that back to SP's point, if you did that would you get less or more 147s? More pressure but more attempts? And would it skew late season matches as players on the cusp of losing a Tour place perhaps deliberately aiming for 147s as a way of staying on Tour?

That would be sad for the sport if players were give ranking points based on 5 to 10 minutes.


Ranking should be about nothing other than winning a match or tournament.



I second that.

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Sickpotter

I think a prize of a cool 1m for the 147th 147 would be very interesting. Think that might entice a tremor or two out of even Ronnie ;-)

Lots of opportunities to put out some interesting prizes beyond tournament money :chin:

Maybe some seasonal prizes/awards for being the best in certain stats? ie most tons, best matches played/won record, etc.

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Dan-cat

acesinc wrote:
Sickpotter wrote:When a 147 stands to net a player 147k prize money that's got to put enormous pressure on the player from the moment they decide to go for it.

When you posit the above, does that mean when a 147 stands to net a player 10k there would be far less pressure on them? I would say yes.

So......

Are we seeing a higher frequency of 147s because the prize money is lower and thus less pressure? :chin:

Discuss... :stir: :stir:


I think this is an interesting and valid theory. The problem is that it will take deep pockets to put it to the proper laboratory testing. I wonder if anyone from within the Snooker world or without has pursued the idea of the 147 maximum as a marketing scheme. Currently, when a player makes a maximum, everyone knows about it and celebrates for a couple of days, wonder what sort of pocket change he received for this one, but where does the money actually come from?

For instance, many golf tournaments, there is a shiny, new car sitting on a pedestal by the tee box of a par 3 hole of course with the sponsor dealer's information emblazoned for all to see. Player gets a hole-in-one, drives away in a new car. Nobody gets a hole-in-one, dealer drives his car back to his lot.

Now imagine...an outside sponsor, nothing whatsoever to do with snooker or gambling (or back in the old days, booze and cigarettes) pledges the prize, $147,000 or whatever is deemed appropriate (let the mathematicians and statisticians work out the risk/reward curve for maximum advert benefit). That is all they do is pledge, no additional money but they get their name and logo emblazoned on the banners. And at some point in the break, say the player makes three reds and three blacks (happens at least several times a match), an unobtrusive watermark comes on the screen pointing out the fact that this company is the sponsor in the event that this turns out to be a 147 maxi.

I could see this being useful to something like an investment company that you would entrust with your money. They could have a gimmicky motto attached, "We strive for perfection to grow your investment" or something of the sort.

And if they are really worried about Ronnie constantly swindling them with a maxi at every event, they could make a side deal with him (no one would need to even know) so he becomes a spokesperson and he is exempted from the prize (it is in the fine print...employees of Such and Such Company are ineligible for the contest) although they would certainly take care of him. But just to keep Ronnie honest, they set up the deal that he has to produce at least one maxi a season or else he doesn't get paid. Need to make sure he doesn't pull his usual shenanigans.

Think outside the box. Get on it marketing people!


Interesting idea Acesinc.

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby Dan-cat

If the bookies did that regularly more people would bet on them and it would make it more of an event.

Lolz at Acesinc - he's even suggesting taglines for the campaign. A thorough poster if ever there was one. :)

Re: 147 frequency....prize money related?

Postby 151kbar151

147 000 was great prize. But Hearn is miser, so... Thanks to this Ronnie decided not to go for 147 and he blamed him for that rofl


   

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