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Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

Casey wrote:Ask Judd Trump about the value of the PTC's. They got him playing against the best and winning; this was a massive stepping stone for him and his career.


and the likes of Alfie Burden, Jamie Jones, Ants McGill and Jack Lisowski who were newcomers onto the tour last season and all did well in the PTCs which culminated in them having good results in the rankings and ending the season comfortably inside the top 64 or the top 48 in Double J's case

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Witz78 wrote:
Casey wrote:Ask Judd Trump about the value of the PTC's. They got him playing against the best and winning; this was a massive stepping stone for him and his career.


and the likes of Alfie Burden, Jamie Jones, Ants McGill and Jack Lisowski who were newcomers onto the tour last season and all did well in the PTCs which culminated in them having good results in the rankings and ending the season comfortably inside the top 64 or the top 48 in Double J's case

yes without PTC i dont think that would be possible and the higher up the rankings they get the more money they make from their first match.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Bourne wrote:Eurosport :D When is PTC4 ?

26-28 OF AUGUST its the Paul Hunter Classic in Furth.....Judd Trump defending champion.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Bourne » 18 May 2011 Read

Wild wrote:
Bourne wrote:Eurosport :D When is PTC4 ?

26-28 OF AUGUST its the Paul Hunter Classic in Furth.....Judd Trump defending champion.

:hatoff:

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

anyone see the bit near the bottom

"the top 8 on the PTC order of merit (AMATEUR or Professional) who are not already in the top 64 end of 2011-12 rankings will be on the main tour in 2012-13"

at last, a sensible move ive long campaigned for.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Alex0paul » 18 May 2011 Read

Wild wrote:
Bourne wrote:Eurosport :D When is PTC4 ?

26-28 OF AUGUST its the Paul Hunter Classic in Furth.....Judd Trump defending champion.


Surely thats EPTC1?

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

Alex0paul wrote:
Wild wrote:
Bourne wrote:Eurosport :D When is PTC4 ?

26-28 OF AUGUST its the Paul Hunter Classic in Furth.....Judd Trump defending champion.


Surely thats EPTC1?


yeh thats what i was thinking too actually :chuckle:

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

Witz78 wrote:anyone see the bit near the bottom

"the top 8 on the PTC order of merit (AMATEUR or Professional) who are not already in the top 64 end of 2011-12 rankings will be on the main tour in 2012-13"

at last, a sensible move ive long campaigned for.


this opens up the tour far more now and is a major incentive for all players near the bottom of the rankings to enter ALL of the PTCs

and its a great incentive for all those unlucky players who miss out at Q School to regroup and try and earn their place on tour for 2012-13 via the PTCs so they dont have to worry about more Q School heartache next year.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Roland » 18 May 2011 Read

Absolutely because the last thing you need is the pressure of Q School knowing if you fail you have to wait another 12 months for another chance and then the pressure compounds with each passing year.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

the 4th in the PTC Series is effectively EPTC 1 the Paul Hunter Classic in fuerth which will have a televised table

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Bourne » 18 May 2011 Read

Wild wrote:the 4th in the PTC Series is effectively EPTC 1 the Paul Hunter Classic in fuerth which will have a televised table

But that article says PTC4, which is different to EPTC1 :chin:

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Monique » 18 May 2011 Read

There is no difference made anymore... except that events in Europe get paid in Euros and those in UK in pounds. Which basically means that you get about 20% less to win in Europe than in UK while for most players it will cost them a lot more.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Bourne wrote:
Wild wrote:the 4th in the PTC Series is effectively EPTC 1 the Paul Hunter Classic in fuerth which will have a televised table

But that article says PTC4, which is different to EPTC1 :chin:


probably they not going to call them EPTC This term just PTC 1 through to 12

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Monique wrote:There is no difference made anymore... except that events in Europe get paid in Euros and those in UK in pounds. Which basically means that you get about 20% less to win in Europe than in UK while for most players it will cost them a lot more.

yes im not a fan of that it should be £10,000 or the equivelant in euros http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1 ... GBP&To=EUR

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Witz78 wrote:anyone see the bit near the bottom

"the top 8 on the PTC order of merit (AMATEUR or Professional) who are not already in the top 64 end of 2011-12 rankings will be on the main tour in 2012-13"

at last, a sensible move ive long campaigned for.

I THINK THATS GREAT

the only difference that would have meant last season was

Daniel Wells in via PTC and Igor Figuiredo out and in Q School.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

personally id have liked to have seen them go with the top 16, not top 8 on the PTC order of merit out of the top 64 getting on tour the following season.

the way things are again

weve the top 64, top 8 PTC and 12 from the Q School getting on tour.

Thats still leaves 16 places for nominations and things which is too much IMO. Everyone should have to earn their place on tour one way or another properly.

Perhaps there should be regional Q Schools for the UK, Europe, Asia etc

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Witz78 wrote:personally id have liked to have seen them go with the top 16, not top 8 on the PTC order of merit out of the top 64 getting on tour the following season.

the way things are again

weve the top 64, top 8 PTC and 12 from the Q School getting on tour.

Thats still leaves 16 places for nominations and things which is too much IMO. Everyone should have to earn their place on tour one way or another properly.

Perhaps there should be regional Q Schools for the UK, Europe, Asia etc

YOU HAVE TO STOP THIS YOU REALLY REALLY GOT TO STOP THIS

im agreeing to much with you <laugh>

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

Wild wrote:
Witz78 wrote:personally id have liked to have seen them go with the top 16, not top 8 on the PTC order of merit out of the top 64 getting on tour the following season.

the way things are again

weve the top 64, top 8 PTC and 12 from the Q School getting on tour.

Thats still leaves 16 places for nominations and things which is too much IMO. Everyone should have to earn their place on tour one way or another properly.

Perhaps there should be regional Q Schools for the UK, Europe, Asia etc

YOU HAVE TO STOP THIS YOU REALLY REALLY GOT TO STOP THIS

im agreeing to much with you <laugh>


Ronnies better than Hendry in the GOAT debate :grrr:

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Witz78 wrote:
Wild wrote:
Witz78 wrote:personally id have liked to have seen them go with the top 16, not top 8 on the PTC order of merit out of the top 64 getting on tour the following season.

the way things are again

weve the top 64, top 8 PTC and 12 from the Q School getting on tour.

Thats still leaves 16 places for nominations and things which is too much IMO. Everyone should have to earn their place on tour one way or another properly.

Perhaps there should be regional Q Schools for the UK, Europe, Asia etc

YOU HAVE TO STOP THIS YOU REALLY REALLY GOT TO STOP THIS

im agreeing to much with you <laugh>


Ronnies better than Hendry in the GOAT debate :grrr:

thats better <laugh> <laugh>

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Dannyboy » 18 May 2011 Read

Some interesting points - here's my two penny worth...

-Please stop comparing the amount of snooker events to tennis events! The ATP World Tour is worth around £50m in prize money alone every year. The winner of Wimbledon will earn an estimated £1.1m next month and the same for the other 3 Grand Slams. There will be around £5m of the prize money on offer for the 100 main tour snooker players next season. Snooker is a minority sport - we must accept that. We simply do not have the reach or the coverage for players playing events every single week. We don't have an American market for a start.
-I think the PTCs were a neccesary step to get players playing again - but have the players embraced it fully? Are players playing too much now? Looking at the calendar there are barely any days off! There needs to be a balance between work and family - many players cited this as problems last season and missed several tournaments because of it.
-The setup of the PTC events, from an outsider, looked good. In Brugge I remember seeing packed crowds - they needed more chairs didn't they?! I'm not sure the events are really designed for TV coverage, but to see the Paul Hunter Classic televised is certainly a good thing.
-On costs to players - they have to deal with it, I'm afraid. Snooker doesn't need journeymen looking to sit in the 30-50 rankings for their entire career. They need to make sacrifices in order to become the best. If they do, the rewards are very very nice!
-The PTCs should not be extended to Asia unless it falls at the same time as other Chinese/Asian events such as the Shanghai Masters, Wuxi Classic and China Open. You don't want players travelling 8,000 miles to Beijing to be tonked 1st round. Immense cost on the players for no return. Something I've suggested on here is have a 'double tournament'. From Monday to Wednesday you would hold the qualifiers for the ranking event (for example Shanghai). From Thursday to Sunday you would hold a PTC event at the same venue and then from Monday to the following Sunday, the venue would be transformed to a TV tournament venue. Minimises costs for players and the financial risk would be much smaller.
-I'm going to coin a radical and controversial idea for the bigger ranking events though - drop the players from 32 to 16 apart from the UK Championship & World Championship, with four L32 matches held over to the venue. Would mean an extra round in the qualifiers for all players (or the Top 16 could become the Top 8). Try and battle poor attendances in the early rounds.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby GJ » 18 May 2011 Read

dannyboy

Tennis did have to start somewhere you know

Snooker should look at that as a benchmark on what can be achieved instead of saying oh thats totally irrelvant to snooker

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Dannyboy » 18 May 2011 Read

GJ wrote:dannyboy
Tennis did have to start somewhere you know
Snooker should look at that as a benchmark on what can be achieved instead of saying oh thats totally irrelvant to snooker


Sorry, snooker will never compete with tennis. As I said, they have global personalities, some of the fittest athletes (we have Stephen Lee and Marcus Campbell) in the world and some of the best coverage in world sport. They also have a crucial thriving American market. Its reality, we need to accept it.

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Witz78 » 18 May 2011 Read

GJ wrote:dannyboy

Tennis did have to start somewhere you know

Snooker should look at that as a benchmark on what can be achieved instead of saying oh thats totally irrelvant to snooker


yeh Hearn thinks big so he will be looking towards the likes of tennis as the ultimate goal for snooker to match.

Lets face it, look at snooker in the UK compared to tennis, there'll be far more people playing snooker than playing tennis. Plus how many actual tennis "fans" have ever actually went to watch it <doh>

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby Wildey » 18 May 2011 Read

Dannyboy wrote:
GJ wrote:dannyboy
Tennis did have to start somewhere you know
Snooker should look at that as a benchmark on what can be achieved instead of saying oh thats totally irrelvant to snooker


Sorry, snooker will never compete with tennis. As I said, they have global personalities, some of the fittest athletes (we have Stephen Lee and Marcus Campbell) in the world and some of the best coverage in world sport. They also have a crucial thriving American market. Its reality, we need to accept it.

your missing the point totally

Tennis Tour worth More but there's More players to keep happy its all relevantly speaking.

Bourne says theres about 120 players that has a good living which leaves hundreds that aren't. so if Tennis players can travel the globe for peanuts why cant Snooker players on a smaller scale ?

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby GJ » 18 May 2011 Read

Wild wrote:
Dannyboy wrote:
GJ wrote:dannyboy
Tennis did have to start somewhere you know
Snooker should look at that as a benchmark on what can be achieved instead of saying oh thats totally irrelvant to snooker


Sorry, snooker will never compete with tennis. As I said, they have global personalities, some of the fittest athletes (we have Stephen Lee and Marcus Campbell) in the world and some of the best coverage in world sport. They also have a crucial thriving American market. Its reality, we need to accept it.

your missing the point totally

Tennis Tour worth More but there's More players to keep happy its all relevantly speaking.

Bourne says theres about 120 players that has a good living which leaves hundreds that aren't. so if Tennis players can travel the globe for peanuts why cant Snooker players on a smaller scale ?



wild

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Re: The Evolution of the PTCs?

Postby SnookerFan » 19 May 2011 Read

I don't mind the comparison to tennis, or the one that is constantly made to darts. Taking ideas from other sports is fine. But we can't fall into the trap of thinking what works for one sport, works for another either. This is a snooker forum, but we seem to spend as much time discussing tennis as anything else.
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