Mark Allen battling depression

Monique wrote:There is still a lot of prejudice and stigma around mental illness and that doesn't make it any easier to cope with.
The Irish Independant was publishing this this morning http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 96318.html

I just wrote a depression article for my english language coursework challenging the representation of depression and how people accuse it of not being a real illness and all that. Might put it under life for people to read if you like?

He's fat and short he's ever likely to be a bit down........he can diet, but he aint never gonna grow

Lucky wrote:He's fat and short he's ever likely to be a bit down........he can diet, but he aint never gonna grow

I feel bad laughing but I did

Monique wrote:There is still a lot of prejudice and stigma around mental illness and that doesn't make it any easier to cope with.
The Irish Independant was publishing this this morning http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 96318.html

I was reading that this morning and was wondering how people still have the "man up and grow a pair" attitude when such wealthy and successful people go to pieces. What other reason would they have for it? I have no experience of depression so I don't know much about it but it's hardly strange that people can have mental illnesses. If theres something wrong with any other part of your body then it's excepted and nobody uses the "why don't you go to africa and see what real hardship is like" arguement. Telling people to get on with it only makes things worse.

it one of them things without sounding rude from the outside people can think he or she should get his or her act together what they got to be depressed about try being in so and sos position when they havent got a choice

but with that attitude ie ignorance people completely missing the point depression by that i mean clinical depression not run of the mill depression is an illness and is a delicate situation which requires proper treatment not ignorant people up their own baboons shiny behinds who dont have a clue about clinical depression

jojo wrote:it one of them things without sounding rude from the outside people can think he or she should get his or her act together what they got to be depressed about try being in so and sos position when they havent got a choice

but with that attitude ie ignorance people completely missing the point depression by that i mean clinical depression not run of the mill depression is an illness and is a delicate situation which requires proper treatment not ignorant people up their own baboons shiny behinds who dont have a clue about clinical depression

Absolutely

jojo wrote:it one of them things without sounding rude from the outside people can think he or she should get his or her act together what they got to be depressed about try being in so and sos position when they havent got a choice

but with that attitude ie ignorance people completely missing the point depression by that i mean clinical depression not run of the mill depression is an illness and is a delicate situation which requires proper treatment not ignorant people up their own bums who dont have a clue about clinical depression

I know this isnt an english test but I really do struggle to read some of your posts jojo as they contain no punctuation at all! the whole post is one massive sentence

tubber

ok hes been diagnosed but ill be honest from what ive read on here i cant see it ....maybee doctors are to ready to atach depression on to people as a way of covering their backs in the im going to take you to the cleaners sociaty we live in.

i have no doubt hes lonely missing his daughter thats a natrual response from a caring father im just uneasy with every time someones sad or down its called "depression".

Wild wrote:tubber

ok hes been diagnosed but ill be honest from what ive read on here i cant see it ....maybee doctors are to ready to atach depression on to people as a way of covering their backs in the im going to take you to the cleaners sociaty we live in.

i have no doubt hes lonely missing his daughter thats a natrual response from a caring father im just uneasy with every time someones sad or down its called "depression".

no problem Wild, I'm not saying whether he's depressed or not, I'm just stating what was in the article...

so what you saying he has or hasnt got clinical depression ?

randam im dyslexic it easy for me to write like this much much easier than using fullstops and commas and the like i get confused expressing thoughts part of wernickes area in the brain

this way writing fast it easier to express the thoughts quickly sorry if it doesnt make sense to you i can easily read other peoples posts dont have a problem with that whatever style they write but expressing thoughts a difficulty for me and this way is a coping strategy

Bizarrely enough jojo, I understand every post you write on the first read. I'm a sucker for punctuation but maybe the way forward is to have none in a forum posting sense.

Back to Mark Allen and I would like to read a transcript of the interview before passing any kind of speculative judgement.

Tell you what, I can't find a link, but if I get a chance next week I might type it out (unless it shows up on the net in the meantime)

If it's serious then I wish him well in trying to recover as much as possible, but I guess these are the cruel implications of spending so much time apart form the people you love, especially for him since he had a child at a pretty young age ...

not meaning to be personal and pry into his personal life when it appears he suffering but the kid he has is it with his current partner or from a previous relationship or is he not sure who the mother is ?

Sonny wrote:I'm a sucker for punctuation but maybe the way forward is to have none in a forum posting sense.

no problem tubbs im not really passing judgement i dont know but i really hate every bad mood or sadness discribed as depression....

people go to the doctors feeling down wanting a pick me up coming from there diagnosed as having depression and feeling 10 time worst than when they went in associating depression with being ill.

jojo wrote:not meaning to be personal and pry into his personal life when it appears he suffering but the kid he has is it with his current partner or from a previous relationship or is he not sure who the mother is ?

Reanne Evans, ever heard of her

The bottom line is having a kid and not being able to see them as much as you want and a life on the road staying in hotel rooms is a formula for dwelling and getting depressed. You would think he's too much of a fighter to get down about things judging on the snooker he plays but then you'd say the same about Dotty.

Sonny wrote:The bottom line is having a kid and not being able to see them as much as you want and a life on the road staying in hotel rooms is a formula for dwelling and getting depressed. You would think he's too much of a fighter to get down about things judging on the snooker he plays but then you'd say the same about Dotty.

yes but Dotty had genuine things happen to make him depressed like His father in law and mentor dying and his wife having a cancer scare.

Mark's Family for all we know is healthy no medical scares etc hes just feeling lonely.

There are different levels of depression, it's not just black and white.

Wild, you don't actually need something to be wrong to be depressed. I think Trescothick had a massive fear of touring and had no personal issues, but my god it sounds like he was a mess.

A good friend of mine is clinically depressed and her family have it all...

Tubberlad wrote:Wild, you don't actually need something to be wrong to be depressed. I think Trescothick had a massive fear of touring and had no personal issues, but my god it sounds like he was a mess.

A good friend of mine is clinically depressed and her family have it all...

thats why id like to read the full story and no bourne theres not different level of depression thats just a modern concept because it suites the medical proffesion.

theres different level of sadness but depression is a step further thats beeing used to discribe all sort of different things these days.

Wild wrote:

Tubberlad wrote:Wild, you don't actually need something to be wrong to be depressed. I think Trescothick had a massive fear of touring and had no personal issues, but my god it sounds like he was a mess.

A good friend of mine is clinically depressed and her family have it all...

thats why id like to read the full story and no bourne theres not different level of depression thats just a modern concept because it suites the medical proffesion.

theres different level of sadness but depression is a step further thats beeing used to discribe all sort of different things these days.

You're not the medical expert you think you are mate ...

I have a lot of interest in the topic, mental health is something Im genuinely passionate about and I hope to study psychology next year...Im not an expert, but having helped a lot of people with personal problems, and some people with genuine depression, I am entirely conviced that yes, there are different levels. Absolutely.

i read a little bit about marcus trescothick even though im not into cricket to be honest i cant stand cricket but anyway i read a little bit of his book a few years ago it was someone elses book not mine

he mentioned something about when being in an indian tour all the poverty made him really really upset he felt sorry for those people and kept having flashbacks to starving children with no parents this built up over time he was too embarrassed to tell anyone as it wasnt a so called manly thing to do and it built up over time

also he was thinking of his own child and wife and how lucky he was and during the same time his father in law had an accident something like fell off the ladder and was unconcious and left alone when no one else was there and when trescothick found out he kept having nightmarish images and flashbacks fearing the worst for his father in law how he suffered and how he could have died

so with trescothick who had it all money the fame successful cricketer and own family yet the traumatic experiences did it for him

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Wild wrote:

Tubberlad wrote:Wild, you don't actually need something to be wrong to be depressed. I think Trescothick had a massive fear of touring and had no personal issues, but my god it sounds like he was a mess.

A good friend of mine is clinically depressed and her family have it all...

thats why id like to read the full story and no bourne theres not different level of depression thats just a modern concept because it suites the medical proffesion.

theres different level of sadness but depression is a step further thats beeing used to discribe all sort of different things these days.

You're not the medical expert you think you are mate ...

ive seen enough depression to know how bad it gets and believe me it gets bucking bad.

lets just put it this way ive seen my share of depression with my uncle and my grandmother and when i see people calling sadness depressed it does snake hiss me off becausre i know what my family been through and what depresion does is bring every member of the family on their knees feeling helpless and almost depressed theselves not knowing what they can do to help.

Wild wrote:lets just put it this way ive seen my share of depression with my uncle and my grandmother and when i see people calling sadness depressed it does snake hiss me off becausre i know what my family been through and what depresion does is bring every member of the family on their knees feeling helpless and almost depressed theselves not knowing what they can do to help.

I can empathise with you there...I remember one of my mates turning to me a week after breaking up with his missus and saying 'I think I'm depressed'...this was literally a week of feeling down. I nearly hit the runt

Get a grip Allen and whilst your at it hit the gym or something if your bored stuck in your hotel.

This bugs me, in the good ole days there was Camaraderie among the players with social circles of gamblers, drinkers etc and some real fun to be had off the table. Now things are professional these faceless wonders live like monks.

Get out on the drink or hit the casino in between matches, live your life, your only young once, no point moping about feeling sorry for yourself.

These should be the best years of your life Allen.

Take a leaf out of Knowles, White, Higgins and Hanns book by preparing for a morning session at the Crucible by hitting a nightclub till the early hours.

Witz78 wrote:Get a grip Allen and whilst your at it hit the gym or something if your bored stuck in your hotel.

This bugs me, in the good ole days there was Camaraderie among the players with social circles of gamblers, drinkers etc and some real fun to be had off the table. Now things are professional these faceless wonders live like monks.

Get out on the drink or hit the casino in between matches, live your life, your only young once, no point moping about feeling sorry for yourself.

These should be the best years of your life Allen.

Take a leaf out of Knowles, White, Higgins and Hanns book by preparing for a morning session at the Crucible by hitting a nightclub till the early hours.

you started off with a sugestion of going to the gym and keep fit and you finished off with get snake hissed headbut officials and go to the red light district