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Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

Rocket_ron wrote:witz,

look

1 hendry
2 Davis
3 Higgins
4 o'sullivan
5 Wliiliams
6 White

thats my oppinion.


ah so now its your opinion?

a minute ago it was fact rofl

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Roland

Witz78 wrote:
Sonny wrote:Hendry had it all his own way for a number of years before the rest caught up and the rest had to be young blood. It doesn't detract from Hendry, it shows how much he raised the bar that those previous names became hasbeens as soon as he showed up.


these same guys who were Davis's rivals in the 80s were dismissed by Wild as being no hopers yet he choses to ignore the fact that the bulk of the top 16 in the early 90s still consisted of these very same guys <doh>


I looked up and see what you're referring to. Yep, you win that one <ok>

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Witz78 wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:well he is...how is fact offtopic?



If we go with your logic then Dominic Dale is more successful than Alex Higgins <doh>


come off it witz,

you have to factor in majors in it...where are dales majors? there isn't any

ronnie leads slightly in majors but its only the masters that gave him the lead

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

GJ wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:witz,

look

1 hendry
2 Davis
3 Higgins
4 o'sullivan
5 Wliiliams
6 White

thats my oppinion.



white is to high up


:bs:

He should be higher and Alex should be on that list too.

Let me guess yours.........

1 Robbo :love:
2 Stevens :clap:
3 Selty :limp:

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Caledonian Craig

Any Hendry fan will openly admit his day has gone now (old age wearing him down as it does with all players as it did with Davis before him and will do with the likes of O'Sullivan as well). That is the reason he no longer wins titles. Look at the world champions and you'll have a good long search to find one in their late 30's say. But that doesn't detract from his immense acheivements and likewise Davis immense achievements before him.

One thing Hendry and Davis can boast that nobody since can was that they were the kings of their eras - Davis in the 80's and Hendry in the 90's. Now people can and will argue about the stronger 00's but I disagree especially if you look and see that Graeme Dott has reached three world finals. Put him back in the 80's or 90's and could he have boasted such a stat?

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby GJ

Witz78 wrote:
GJ wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:witz,

look

1 hendry
2 Davis
3 Higgins
4 o'sullivan
5 Wliiliams
6 White

thats my oppinion.



white is to high up


:bs:

He should be higher and Alex should be on that list too.

Let me guess yours.........

1 Robbo :love:
2 Stevens :clap:
3 Selty :limp:



ROBBO 1
CH WHITE 0

:wild2: <laugh> :D

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Wildey

Caledonian Craig wrote:By 1995, between them O'Sullivan, Higgins and Williams had won five ranking titles so yes they were definite contenders and by 1997 all three were ranked inside the top seven.

Williams was a contender Later than the other 2 but he was the first to reach two finals and both before Ronnie reached his first <ok>
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Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Wildey

Rocket_ron wrote:yes gj what would you list of goats be?

1 Billie Goat
2 Nanny Goat

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby GJ

1.hendo
2. Steve davis
3. Higgo
4. Ronnie

5. Williams
6. Robbo
7. Doherty
8. Ch white
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Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

Rocket_ron wrote:
Witz78 wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:well he is...how is fact offtopic?



If we go with your logic then Dominic Dale is more successful than Alex Higgins <doh>


come off it witz,

you have to factor in majors in it...where are dales majors? there isn't any

ronnie leads slightly in majors but its only the masters that gave him the lead


Davis leads Ronnie slightly in the Majors but its ONLY the Worlds that gave him the lead <doh>

So if we factor in the Majors how come your list which initially was 100% based on the rankings titles won had Higgins ahead ?

And as for Dale ahead of Higgins, everyone knows its nonsense but the ranking list you use as your bible says its isnt rofl

Oh and if we factor in the Majors then the likes of Reardon etc have to enter the question

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

GJ wrote:1.hendo
2. Steve davis
3. Higgo
4. Ronnie

5. Williams
6. Robbo
7. Doherty
8. Ch white


Robbo ahead of Doherty :huh:

Doherty ahead of White :bs:

Robbo ahead of White rofl rofl

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Caledonian Craig

This table I posted on 606 the other day (now modified to account for Welsh Open) takes into account all viable stats and figures of the five greatest players of all-time and this was the result:-

1st Stephen Hendry 42 points
2nd Ronnie O'Sullivan 30 points
3rd Steve Davis 28 points
4th John Higgins 25 points
5th Mark Williams 14 points

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

witz,

Ronnie 22 ranks + 4 masters = 26
John 23 ranks + 2 masters = 25

yes facts say ronnie leads but im cleverly thinking in the futue like a few months and john will overtake

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Caledonian Craig wrote:This table I posted on 606 the other day (now modified to account for Welsh Open) takes into account all viable stats and figures of the five greatest players of all-time and this was the result:-

1st Stephen Hendry 42 points
2nd Ronnie O'Sullivan 30 points
3rd Steve Davis 28 points
4th John Higgins 25 points
5th Mark Williams 14 points

i respect the time you went to to work these out but davis should be 2nd

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby GJ

6 ranking titles and hasnt reached his peak yet

doherty has same ranking titles and is over the hill

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

GJ wrote:6 ranking titles and hasnt reached his peak yet

doherty has same ranking titles and is over the hill

yes and 1 major a piece, so gj like me is factoring in future

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

im basing mine on a number of factors

modern era top 10

1 - Ronnie
2 - Davis
3 - Hendry
4 - White
5 - Alex Higgins
6 - John Higgins
7 - Williams
8 - Thorburn
9 - Ebdon
10 - Parrot

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Caledonian Craig

Rocket_ron wrote:
Caledonian Craig wrote:This table I posted on 606 the other day (now modified to account for Welsh Open) takes into account all viable stats and figures of the five greatest players of all-time and this was the result:-

1st Stephen Hendry 42 points
2nd Ronnie O'Sullivan 30 points
3rd Steve Davis 28 points
4th John Higgins 25 points
5th Mark Williams 14 points

i respect the time you went to to work these out but davis should be 2nd


That is the way that it panned out mainly because it includes stats of centuries and maximums where Ronnie is strong and Steve is weak.

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Witz78 wrote:im basing mine on a number of factors

modern era top 10

1 - Ronnie
2 - Davis
3 - Hendry
4 - White
5 - Alex Higgins
6 - John Higgins
7 - Williams
8 - Thorburn
9 - Ebdon
10 - Parrot

thats the bigest load of bull i have ever seen

hendry is beter than davis

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby GJ

9 - Ebdon

number of ranking titles

:wave: :?

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Caledonian Craig wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:
Caledonian Craig wrote:This table I posted on 606 the other day (now modified to account for Welsh Open) takes into account all viable stats and figures of the five greatest players of all-time and this was the result:-

1st Stephen Hendry 42 points
2nd Ronnie O'Sullivan 30 points
3rd Steve Davis 28 points
4th John Higgins 25 points
5th Mark Williams 14 points

i respect the time you went to to work these out but davis should be 2nd


That is the way that it panned out mainly because it includes stats of centuries and maximums where Ronnie is strong and Steve is weak.

craig mate ,take centuries out and 147's thats abit rochdaleesq

then see what the scores are

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Witz78

Rocket_ron wrote:witz,

Ronnie 22 ranks + 4 masters = 26
John 23 ranks + 2 masters = 25

yes facts say ronnie leads but im cleverly thinking in the futue like a few months and john will overtake


if we want to go into the future then might as well have Trump and Brecel on the GOAT list then <ok>

and if we can go into the future then why not the past?

Joe Davis anyone? or is he a non runner?

Does that mean in 50 years when the 80s and 90s is no longer classed as the "modern era" and is the olden days then Davis and Hendrys achievments will be forgotten as they fade from the living memory.

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Rocket_ron wrote:
GJ wrote:6 ranking titles and hasnt reached his peak yet

doherty has same ranking titles and is over the hill

yes and 1 major a piece, so gj like me is factoring in future

<cool> :ahh:

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby GJ

GJ wrote:9 - Ebdon

number of ranking titles

:wave: :?



witz

:chin: :roll: :?

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Rocket_ron

Witz78 wrote:
Rocket_ron wrote:witz,

Ronnie 22 ranks + 4 masters = 26
John 23 ranks + 2 masters = 25

yes facts say ronnie leads but im cleverly thinking in the futue like a few months and john will overtake


if we want to go into the future then might as well have Trump and Brecel on the GOAT list then <ok>

and if we can go into the future then why not the past?

Joe Davis anyone? or is he a non runner?

Does that mean in 50 years when the 80s and 90s is no longer classed as the "modern era" and is the olden days then Davis and Hendrys achievments will be forgotten as they fade from the living memory.


the question is when does "this" modern era start or finish?

Re: Well done John Higgins

Postby Caledonian Craig

Just to add that my table is made up of the following:-

Ranking titles won
World titles
World finals
UK Titles
Masters Titles
Centuries Scored
Maximums Scored
Centuries Average Per Season

Yes but remember this was posted to include if for Seifer's purpose so that Ronnie got every chance and he still never finished top.